Black Spirituality Religion : What were Christians called BEFORE ANTIOCH

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    "PEOPLE OF THE WAY" Acts 9:2 INTRODUCTION 1. Today it is common to use terms referring to the people of God such as... a. The church of Christ, the church of God - Ro 16:16; 1Co 1:2 b. The body of Christ, the kingdom of Christ - Ep 1:22,23; Col 1:13 c. The temple of God, the bride of Christ - 1Co 3:16; Re 19:7-8 2. But in the early days of the church, they were also known as people of "The Way"... a. Saul of Tarsus persecuted those of the Way - Ac 9:2; 22:4 b. Others spoke evil of the Way - Ac 19:9 c. At Ephesus there was a riot about the Way - Ac 19:23 d. Paul confessed to worship God according to the Way - Ac 24:14 e. Felix the governor gained accurate knowledge about the Way - Ac 24:22

     
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    28. The Jewish Christians: the Original Followers of Jesus

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    The Jewish Christians are also known as Hebrews (in the book of Acts) and Ebionites (in the writings of the Church fathers). Epiphanius wrote (between 374-377 CE) that the Ebionites of his time claimed their roots to the Hebrews mentioned in the book of Acts: “But they {the Ebionites} are proud to call themselves beggars {Ebionites}, they say, in the time of the apostles they would sell their possessions and lay them at the apostles’ feet ...” The Jewish Christians formed a distinct Judaic sect in Jerusalem. Their sect was made up partially by Pharisees who had converted to Jesus’ movement and by former Essenes. John the Baptist, who was essentially an Essene, instructed people to follow Jesus. Probably after his execution many of his disciples joined Jesus’ movement. Jesus’ basic preaching was similar to John’s.



    Jesus preached:
    “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God has come near; repent, and believe in the good news.” (Mark 1:15 NRSV)​

    John preached:
    “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.” (Matthew 3:1 NRSV)​

    Like most Jews, the Jewish Christians believed that they would earn eternal life by observing the law of Moses. Like the other Jews, they expected the king-Messiah to re-establish the kingdom of Israel (as prophesied in Isaiah, Zechariah, Daniel, and Jeremiah). However, unlike the other Jews, the Jewish Christians believed that this king-Messiah had come: it was Jesus, who had been killed, as it was prophesied in Daniel:

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    The Jewish Roman World of Jesus
    Dr. James D. Tabor

    Nazarenes and Ebionites

    Josephus reports four main sects or schools of Judaism: Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, and Zealots. The earliest followers of Jesus were known as Nazarenes, and perhaps later, Ebionites, and form an important part of the picture of Palestinian Jewish groups in late 2nd Temple times.

    The Ebionite/Nazarene movement was made up of mostly Jewish/Israelite followers of John the Baptizer and later Jesus, who were concentrated in Palestine and surrounding regions and led by "James the Just" (the oldest brother of Jesus), and flourished between the years 30-80 C.E. They were zealous for the Torah and continued to walk in all the mitzvot (commandments) as enlightened by their Rabbi and Teacher, but accepted non-Jews into their fellowship on the basis of some version of the Noachide Laws (Acts 15 and 21). The term Ebionite (from Hebrew 'Evyonim) means "Poor Ones" and was taken from the teachings of Jesus: "Blessed are you Poor Ones, for yours is the Kingdom of God" based on Isaiah 66:2 and other related texts that address a remnant group of faithful ones. Nazarene comes from the Hebrew word Netzer (drawn from Isaiah 11:1) and means "a Branch"—so the Nazarenes were the "Branchites" or followers of the one they believed to be the Branch. The term Nazarene was likely the one first used for these followers of Jesus, as evidenced by Acts 24:5 where Paul is called "the ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes." Here we see the word used in a similar way to that of Josephus in writing of the four sects/schools of Judaism: Pharisees; Sadducess; Essenes; and Zealots. So the term Nazarene is probably the best and broadest term for the movement, while Ebionite (Poor Ones) was used as well, along with a whole list of other terms: Saints, Children of Light, the Way, New Covenanters, et al. We also know from the book of Acts that the group itself preferred the designation "The Way" (see Acts 24:14, 22, etc.). The term "Christian," first used in Greek speaking areas for the movement, actually is an attempt to translate the term Nazarene and basically means a "Messianist."

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    peace

    - the politically correc answer would be Bedouins/Wanderers.

    The His-storically correct answer would be that there were no 'christians' before Antioch. So maybe the question asked should be:

    Before they were called 'christians' AT ANTIOCH, what were they called?

    Then again, since the name was meant in mochery, there really were no 'christians' before or after Antioch in the way that the question is posed because that's not what they considered themselves to be.
     
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    Semantics.....But, thank you for answering KEITA KENYATTA's QUESTION.
     
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    In the Spirit of Sankofa,

    Are we truly Christians, or are we Mashiahians?
    .......http://destee.com/index.php?threads/are-we-truly-christians-or-are-we-mashiahians.62130/

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    If 'christianity' is a little over 2 thousand years old and the so-called followers, this late in the day are not even sure what to call themselves then how can they tell so many others that don't adhere to their religion that they are wrong and won't be received when 'christ' returns? lol - i mean this makes ya'll sound really ridiculous....This is exactly why there are so many different sects of religions across the board!

    Forget about that question for a moment. If they don't know, or not sure what to call themselves and have to dig and come up with NEW NAMES for themselves, how can they with certainty even be sure if Jesus existed?

    By trying to come up with new names for yourselves is like calling yourselve's SO - CALLED CHRISTIANS. A term i and many others have used over the years here to refer to you all as, but it was deemed disrespectful when we said it....

    So what were the people who were said to have followed 'christ' called before they were disrespected and given the name 'christians' at antioch?

    NOTHING!
     
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    What Christian here on this board or any Christian you've ever known has been un-sure of what to call themselves??

    Do you really think that just because Bro. Clyde authored that thread that he doesn't know what to call himself as a believer in Christ??

    Does it really matter what/how any Bible-believing Christian labels/distinguishes him or herself?

    What does it matter if I call myself a "Messianist" or a "Christian" or a "Person of the Book."

    Come on now, Info, you reachin' waaay too hard.
     
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    ...Nelson’s Illustrated Bible Dictionary states: "The designation of the early followers of Christ as Christians was initiated by the non-Christian population of Antioch. Originally it may have been a term of derision. Eventually, however, Christians used it of themselves as a name of honor, not of shame.

    Prior to their adoption of the name, the Christians called themselves believers <Acts 5:14>, brothers <Acts 6:3>, or saints <Acts 9:13>, names which also continued to be used ....http://www.plim.org/92didu.html
     
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    @cherryblossom I have a question for you. Could they have possibly been called Muslims? Muslim simply means, in the Arabic language, one who submits his will to do the will of God. Does that the sum up the story of Abraham? How about Lot? How about Jesus? How about Moses? How about Job?

    Islam only means, in the Arabic language, Complete and total submission to the will of God!

    I wanted to throw it out here for discussion.
     
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