Black People : What Things Have Hindered Black Progress

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  1. Blackbird

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    A few days ago I was involved in a conversation with a fellow member of Destee. The member pointed out what appears to the relatively successful progress of Hispanic Americans compared to African Americans. Initially, I felt that any comparison was inherently insensitive, downright racist and overtly white supremacist; however, I felt compelled to ponder the reasons why this is the case. I wanted to give just treatment either way. I grew up in a typical Black family, I guess. I have family members that fit every bill of human existence - below poverty to above poverty, less than high school educated to doctorate level education, virtually homeless to home owner, drug user to doctor and everything else.

    But for the sake of this thread, I wanted to present the Black experience in North America to illustrate some things commonly known but not commonly understood. I will do this in historical epochs: Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade, North American enslavement, Reconstruction, Jim Crow, Integration, Modern Day. Afterwards, I will attempt to provide an analysis. These will be broken down into 7 separate posts.

    Also, in true Blackbird fashion, I will provide a personal narrative along the way to add depth to the historical facts.

    I hope you will join me in this exploration.
     
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    I think it's mostly a sense of aware-ness. I'll come back soon to answer.
     
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    The truth about them is they aren't hurting as bad as they are portrayed.

    They get funding from Mexico. Mexico gets funding for them as citizens in a foreign land for education and business , legal support. From the United States. They have a consulate and a country they can go to that is patronized heavily by the United States.

    Hispanics have major grocery stores. I shop at them because the meat is better and less expensive than at the local supermarket chain. Go down the international food line in any major food store. The spices ( black pepper@ $2.50 - compared to $0.99 in the hispanic section. The distributors change the packaging ( on flour , corn meal, detergent..etc) label but many of the same products are disguised major brands.


    This is an example and only applies to Oregon. In the past I actually came across an index of names phone numbers of many of these organizations they have available all across the United States.

    http://www.oregon.gov/Hispanic/pages/2community.aspx#Legal

    Organizations Serving Latino Communities


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    Interesting...

    I'd like to start with, that I don't see African-Latinos(AL's) doing any better than AA's in the U.S. and no where as well in latin-america.

    I think that AA's have gone thru a lot more sht in the states. and all that stuff you have lived with has caused a lot of harm. In latin america, the spanish never made any apologies for their treatment of African nor to the natives. They have never made believe that they were good cristians. they came here to conquer. They never pretened to be a democracy. African latinos know they will not be treated with respect, unless they have a better hand. AL's know they will not get a fare shake from euros.

    So that's the main reason why some African latinos have a better aware-ness as to what is going on, but not all. Some don't even see that they are African. Go Figure!????
     
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    The publican strategy was to use them ( and others ) as minorities as a foil to our progress in civil rights. This formula was employed especially under Reagan. Unlike us however, they had their own agenda, which they have employed to greater success. The elephant people are shocked, since they had honorary white status, that they stabbed them in the back.

    If we leverage our economic and educational potential, we will succeed as well





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    The ever reaching grasp of Willie lynches (read the letter) conditioning and the superior marketing strategy created in the bowels of the white house has all but decimated the BLACK race in amerikka: (Television/radio/food and so called medicine inflicted by knowing and unknowing participants. The multitude of views that divide us, like on this site. Did I miss anything?
     
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    what I am looking to know is why latinos...which the largest number comingin under Bush Jr...now in there second generation are preforming better then AA's in English when many come here learning it as a second language...
     
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    Heck...when my kids bring home paperwork from school the back is written in Spanish because some parents dont even speak Englush...yet their kids are preforming better in school then their black counterparts...anyone have an answer that isnt 400 years old as we are talking about children?
     
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    Honestly...

    I see these 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 year old hispnic kids in a store speaking spanish with their parents...
    And I get mad..seems like they are depending on theschool system to teach them English..which would slow down the class..but even with this large groups inclusion...hispanics are testing better then blacks in key areas of study...I find it troublesome.
     
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    I will deal with your answer very shortly. You may not like the answer but that doesn't mean it is invalid. Also, I will say I was raised from birth to age 14 by a grandmother who only had a 6th grade education. My mom was present but she worked two maid jobs and went to college so her influence wasn't as great as my grandmother's. My grandmother being an older Black lady in the rural south spoke African American Vernacular English. I am also a high school dropout. I got my GED because my mom and dad forced me to go to Job Corps at age 18. From the time I was 13 up to 19, I was an active gang member in a city that had the highest per capita murder rate in the country when I was 16 and 17. Nothing special. However, my command of the English language is greater than the average American whether white or Black. I actually wrote my wife's law school entrance letter which the admissions advisor stated was one of the best letters he had seen in his 10 years as an advisor. I went from being raised in a poverty stricken area of the rural South to being a high school dropout and gangbanger to getting a GED to having a respectable ACT score of 32 and a touted SAT score of 1985 to becoming a college graduate to working as a private banker and investment advisor to high net worth clientèle in corporate America to being a self employed relatively well to do business person. How did that happen? I don't know. Luck, aptitude, who knows? At the end of the day, I am just a poor Black country boy from Louisiana that enjoys speaking colloquial Black English but can code switch based on the circumstances.

    Like many Black children, I was written off in grade school and honestly, I mentally dropped out in the ninth grade. School became a place to go because it was compulsory. I had to deal with school counselors that wanted me to go to trade schools or who would rather push the equally struggling white boy over me. I received disciplinary action at a greater frequency than my classmates who committed the same offenses. I remember during the Rodney King trial being told by classmates that I was just mad because I reported one to the teacher for talking too loud while I was taking a test. Of course, the teacher did nothing which prompted the Rodney King comment. Seconds later, another classmate taking the test in the same area blurted out "Joel, shut up!" The teacher at that moment told Joel to be quiet. I would receive failing grades based on attitude and not class performance. I learned that class attitude received greater weighting on scoring grades than passing tests. One teacher even went so far as to deduct points from my grade because of the behavior of the only other Black male in the class. I didn't accept this passively and told her that she could not hold me accountable for the actions of another simply because we were friends. I told my friend that it was also an insult to him because she was saying in essence that he was too dumb to be held responsible for his own actions. We were in high school. Afterwards in class, the teacher berated my friend so badly that he decided to quit and go to an alternative school. She basically told him that he wasn't capable to perform at the level he was in and that his best bet was to learn a trade. I have plenty of these instances I can pull from. The Black educational experience is not nearly as amiable as the white experience and if you believe this to be true, I have a private island in the UAE I can sell you for $3.00.

    I had rage coupled with some household changes like the death of my grandmother, my primary care giver and my mom's subsequent marriage to a guy I didn't like, and the rising violence in city so I sought solace in gang life. I felt hopeless and I responded with violent behavior. Shootouts and car chases was how I numbed the pain and channeled my anger as well as attempted to gain some power and control. I became excited at the fear I could give random white people who had already prejudged me even before I started gang banging. The rush of adrenaline in instances of fight or flight gave me a high. Before white folks could call me nxgger with impunity but during my gang days, calling me a nxgger or treating me like one would find the perpetrator on the opposite end of a 40 caliber. I could see the whites of their eyes widen with fear as they never suspected that to be the result. As a 12 year old child, still innocent and hopeful with nothing but going to the mall to meet girls, I would walk across the cross walk of a busy intersection in the middle of the day and hear white folks locking their car doors. I had no gun and no intent to do anything wrong but my color made me suspect. At 14, I gave self righteous white people a reason to lock doors. Of course, my rage was ultimately directed at my own kind and beefing with dudes from a rival neighborhood was my full time job, even at school. There was no point for school other than that. I became the worst nightmare for plenty of people. I became the overt expression of the young Black male experience - wild, ignorant and unpredictable. I was what America made me. It is not fun getting searched or accosted by police at a young age simply because you are Black and look suspicious - not because you did anything wrong or broke the law. The law you broke was the unofficial one of being Black at the wrong time. Treated as a criminal before becoming one or being treated as a failure in life before being a failure is the best way to create a fulfilling prophecy.
     
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