Black Spirituality Religion : What Should we call The Creator?

[Clyde C Coger Jr]

Hi, Okay, I agree that Jehovah is also YHWH. There is more to know. Samuel 2:2 "There is no man as holy as the LORD:for there is none who does thy equal work : neither is there any rock like our God, Jehovah." 1Corinthians 10:4 All that followed Moses, "...all did drink of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." John 1:4-5 "We have found him of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write" ...Jesus Christ. Moses wrote of Jehovah.

Gotcha willa, don't know if you got me though, lol... but its all good, in the hood, as they say.


Peace In,

 

[Chas0x01]

I know I said I'd go, but...

The Father is indeed the Father of all, even of the Mizraens, but other deities that they worshiped were not He. He goes by One Name, for certain, and will not let all call His Name to be anything. Would you answer to any and all names? He may have titles, such as Father, Most High, Most Holy, KING of kings, and so on, but His Name is but One, which the Mizraens didn't use.

Since Joseph believed in the Father in Heliopolis, it could mean the Mizraens thought to name the Father those names since they saw the Father was with him(and that is wrong because He already has His Name and there be no translation needed), or it could mean, they thought those names were of gods beside the Father as many thought there was more than He.

That's how I see it.

And why can't He? He can, He has been, and He certainly will remain to everyone who accepts His Way; however, it seems how the Mizraens worked, they didn't go according to how the Father taught the Hebrews, at least, after a time. He by no means rejected any people who accepted His Being, but if they were calling out all kinds of names that's not His, they call upon another and not the Father, so how could He be with them then?

True, the Egyptians fell into pagan idolatry. I believe that was the role of Akhenaten, as a reformer. But the Hebrews also struggled with this as well. In fact the Israelite story is largely a story of continuous transgressions.

Well this was my point, exactly who were the Hebrews and how do they relate to the nations (Sumeria/Akkadia/Canaan/Egypt) they lived with and intermarried with.

We have this exchange in Genesis, where Moses is negotiating with Pharaoh, so his people (Israel) might worship as they normally would. At this time the Israelites were in Egypt living as Egyptians for hundreds of years. So I have to ask, who was this God they were worshipping, Horus/Amun-Ra?

I think this is a tricky question for some Christians cuz they tend to put the Israelites into a separate category than the people they lived with. Whereas i believe scripture is telling us the Hebrews adopted the Gods and belief systems of those nations they became apart of.

You can see this in the names of the Gods they worshipped. And in the way they intermarried with the priestly class. And in the customs they adopted, like circumcision. And in the positions of authority they held within those societies.

 

[Angela22]

True, the Egyptians fell into pagan idolatry. I believe that was the role of Akhenaten, as a reformer. But the Hebrews also struggled with this as well. If fact the Israelite story is largely a story of continuous transgressions.

Well this was my point, exactly who were the Hebrews and how do they related to the nations (Sumeria/Akkadia/Canaan/Egypt) they lived with and intermarried with.

We have this exchange in Genesis, where Moses is negotiating with Pharaoh, so his people (Israel) might worship as they normally would. At this time the Israelites were in Egypt living as Egyptians for hundreds of years. So I have to ask, who was this God they were worshipping, Horus/Amun-Ra?

I think this is a tricky question for some Christians cuz they tend to put the Israelites into a separate category than the people they lived with. Whereas i believe scripture is telling us the Hebrews adopted the Gods and belief systems of those nations they became apart of.

You can see this in the names of the Gods they worshipped. And in the way they intermarried with the priestly class. And in the customs they adopted, like circumcision. And in the positions of authority they held within those societies.

I know they dealt in idolatry as well, but they did go back to the Father many times, also. Other nations did not. They were separate from other people because the Father separated them, and they didn't adopt so much from the Mizraens I believe because they were the Sons of Ham while they were Shemites of the Holy Seed. The Mizraens, for a fact, if they wanted to be apart of the Israelite's nation, had to adopt what the Israelites did, not the other way around.

I just think people feel compelled to say they pull parts of their belief system from the Egytians because Mizraim was such a great nation they dwelt amongst, but the Father gave faith, not them. No more did the Chaldeans give them faith just because Abraham started in the land if the Chaldeans.

 

[Chas0x01]

I know they dealt in idolatry as well, but they did go back to the Father many times, also. Other nations did not. They were separate from other people because the Father separated them, and they didn't adopt so much from the Mizraens I believe because they were the Sons of Ham while they were Shemites of the Holy Seed. The Mizraens, for a fact, if they wanted to be apart of the Israelite's nation, had to adopt what the Israelites did, not the other way around.

I just think people feel compelled to say they pull parts of their belief system from the Egytians because Mizraim was such a great nation they dwelt amongst, but the Father gave faith, not them. No more did the Chaldeans give them faith just because Abraham started in the land if the Chaldeans.

Well this is my point. Whose father?

For the Hebrews their heavenly father was El. Elohim/El-Shaddai, etc. And then Yah.

These are in fact Hamitic gods. And circumcision, the definitive sign of the covenant, is a Hamitic practice. The Hebrews spoke a Hamitic language, worshiped Hamitic gods, and adopted Hamitic customs.

There's no indication that the Hamites the Hebrews lived among adopted anything from them. But the Hebrews married into the hierarchy of the Hamitic people they lived with and assumed their cultural identity.

And this is the point I was trying to make. Who was this God Moses wanted his people to worship? Was it Ra/Horus?

 

[RAPTOR]

His dad sold idols for a living, but knew they weren't real, but was fearful of men killing him if he stated he didn't believe in them.

Interesting.

Where did you read this from?