Black Spirituality Religion : What Really Happens After Death?

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I believe Adam would not have lived for ever, the requirement for long life was that they would first have to eat of the Tree of Life. In the End God forbid it.
All Physical beings Die....Did they also eat of the Tree of Knowledge.
No, the requirement for long life wasn't that they would first have to eat of the Tree of Life. In the end God forbid it.

The penalty for sin is death. Without sin their is no death.

Revelation 20: 14, Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire.

After man had sinned, he couldn't just eat from the Tree of Life. It was barred from him.

Genesis 3: 22, He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the Tree of Life and eat, and live forever.

Genesis 3: 24, After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the Tree of Life.

He (Adam) was now a sinner and had to pay the price of his sin. In other words, the price of his sin must first be paid. But God would provide a way for man to eat from the Tree of Life. It would be through Jesus who would pay the price for man's sin. And all those who believe in Him (Jesus) can now eat from the Tree of Life which is Jesus and live.

John 1: 4, In Him (Jesus) was life, and that life was the light of men.

All living physical things weren't created in the image and likeness of God, only man. All living physical things can't decide between what is good and what is evil, only man.

If you reward or have a requirement of them and if they expect a reward it becomes a transaction.
Gifts are free and unconditional....reciprocating is a choice but not a condition.
Go back and reread my previous post to you. I think you forgot to read the part that deals with gifts and requirements. Or better still post what I stated to you, then prove your case.

ou do not have to believe in God to have Faith or do Good Works.
Faith without works is dead, there is no such thing as faith with out works - you show your Faith by your works.
We see and recognize the Works of God. To Worship God is to Work for God - to serve God.
Faith and Good Works are Universal and not the sole purview of any one religious belief.
You show your faith by doing the works of God who is in you or lives in you because of Jesus (the Tree of Life) whom you have accepted as your Lord and Savior. It not you who is doing those works, but God (Jesus) who is in you through the Holy Spirit by your faith in Him (Jesus). So you, as I have stated in the last post, give credit and glory to him, and not yourself. Without having faith in Jesus, you are just doing good things (the works of your own hands) on your own accord without the aid of God in you. So you give credit and glory to yourself and not God.

Have you ever notice how Jesus gave willingly, all the people he healed, brought from the dead, and finally giving up his life and dying for us? Yet, he always gave honor and glory to God and not himself. Without faith in God who was in him and he in God, Jesus couldn't have done those things.

If I knew before hand that someone is about to commit a crime and did nothing about it...if I had the authority and power to stop that person from committing said crime and did not nothing about it but used it to further my agenda....I cannot say that individual disobeyed my wishes, when I used his crimes to further my wishes aims and goals....we are in effect partners. In such a scenario God is the only one benefiting from such crimes.
Now you are trying to compare your actions to that of God's. You are trying to question God's judgment or way of doing things as compared to yours. Oh, you would do things different from God as if you know more than God. Well Job had a similar problem. But God got Job straight.

Job 38: 1-3, Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said, " Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge? Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you will answer me."

Job 40: 1-2, "Will the one who contends with the Almighty correct Him. Let him who accuses God correct Him!"

Job 40: 8, "Would you discredit my justice? Would you condemn me to justify yourself?"

After God got through with Job, Job couldn't say a thing. You know what Job did?

Job 42: 3, "Surely I spoke of things I did not understand, things too wonderful for me to know."

Job 42: 6 Therefore I despise myself and repent in the dust and the ashes."
That being the case, then some being had to do this work which means, that being knowingly or unknowingly is doing that which God wanted done. If God knew before hand that that was going to happen, then he is party to it happening....in essence they are accomplices in it together.
God isn't a party go anything. Satan is responsible for himself and his sins, not God. As you and I are responsible for our sins, not God or even Satan. And God knew that we would be sinners.

Proverbs 18:21
Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof
Matthew 15: 18, "But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart (spirit), and these things make a man unclean (unrighteous).
 

SwagII

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What actually are truths here? :ghost: I am still looking for facts, as what exactly is the truth, etc.:research: Can it be found it? I hear a lot of talk regarding spiritual religion, etc. I see your debates, etc. What happens to after one's death?
 

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No, the requirement for long life wasn't that they would first have to eat of the Tree of Life. In the end God forbid it.

The penalty for sin is death. Without sin their is no death.

Revelation 20: 14, Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire.

After man had sinned, he couldn't just eat from the Tree of Life. It was barred from him.

Genesis 3: 22, He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the Tree of Life and eat, and live forever.

Genesis 3: 24, After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the Tree of Life.

He (Adam) was now a sinner and had to pay the price of his sin. In other words, the price of his sin must first be paid. But God would provide a way for man to eat from the Tree of Life. It would be through Jesus who would pay the price for man's sin. And all those who believe in Him (Jesus) can now eat from the Tree of Life which is Jesus and live.

John 1: 4, In Him (Jesus) was life, and that life was the light of men.

All living physical things weren't created in the image and likeness of God, only man. All living physical things can't decide between what is good and what is evil, only man.
Adam did not become Knowledgable until after he disobeyed and ate of the Tree of Knowledge, similarly Adam would not have lived forever until after he ate of the Tree of Life.

Since most if not all other physical life experience death, then it is reasonable to assume, that Adam was not initially meant to live forever.

Just as how they had no Knowledge (of Good and evil) before eating of the Tree of Good and Evil, Eternal (physical) Life would not have been conferred up on them until after they eat of the Tree of Life.

Hence it is my opinion that they were not initially made to live forever, that would be given them only if they ate of the Tree or was allowed to eat of the Tree of Life.


Go back and reread my previous post to you. I think you forgot to read the part that deals with gifts and requirements. Or better still post what I stated to you, then prove your case.
It is best if you repost your own post as I might select the wrong post, if you do it then there can be no mistake.


You show your faith by doing the works of God who is in you or lives in you because of Jesus (the Tree of Life) whom you have accepted as your Lord and Savior. It not you who is doing those works, but God (Jesus) who is in you through the Holy Spirit by your faith in Him (Jesus). So you, as I have stated in the last post, give credit and glory to him, and not yourself. Without having faith in Jesus, you are just doing good things (the works of your own hands) on your own accord without the aid of God in you. So you give credit and glory to yourself and not God.

Have you ever notice how Jesus gave willingly, all the people he healed, brought from the dead, and finally giving up his life and dying for us? Yet, he always gave honor and glory to God and not himself. Without faith in God who was in him and he in God, Jesus couldn't have done those things.
So when you do Good its not you who is doing the work but God?
So when you do evil who is doing the evil work?
If someone does not believe in Jesus (faith) does good work...is it in any way less valuable?




Now you are trying to compare your actions to that of God's.
No....I am questioning your belief and the type of God you believe in...
To me it seems you believe in a God who will work with evil to achieve his ends....I do not believe in such a God. Though you may not admit this to yourself.
Maybe it is a misunderstanding on my part but most religious individuals has this type of cognitive dissonance....where in knowing of evil and benefiting from evil and having the power to stop it and not doing so is being a part of that evil.


You are trying to question God's judgment or way of doing things as compared to yours. Oh, you would do things different from God as if you know more than God. Well Job had a similar problem. But God got Job straight.

Job 38: 1-3, Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said, " Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge? Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you will answer me."

Job 40: 1-2, "Will the one who contends with the Almighty correct Him. Let him who accuses God correct Him!"

Job 40: 8, "Would you discredit my justice? Would you condemn me to justify yourself?"

After God got through with Job, Job couldn't say a thing. You know what Job did?

Job 42: 3, "Surely I spoke of things I did not understand, things too wonderful for me to know."

Job 42: 6 Therefore I despise myself and repent in the dust and the ashes."
So is God above his own Law?

Is there things about God, I do not Know or will ever be able to understand - yes I am sure they are. But that will not stop me from asking the relative question given my limited understanding that I have.


God isn't a party go anything. Satan is responsible for himself and his sins, not God. As you and I are responsible for our sins, not God or even Satan. And God knew that we would be sinners.
So what do you call some one who knows of a crime about to go down, has the ability to stop it and allows it to happen, so as to benefit from it or to allow others to benefit from it?



Matthew 15: 18, "But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart (spirit), and these things make a man unclean (unrighteous).
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Adam did not become Knowledgable until after he disobeyed and ate of the Tree of Knowledge, similarly Adam would not have lived forever until after he ate of the Tree of Life.
After Adam ate of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, he became a sinner and was doomed to death. The penalty for sin is death that affects all of Adams offspring. Now Adam would have lived forever if he had not eaten from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Because he would not have sinned and therefore, was not doomed to death. He may have lacked the knowledge of Good and Evil, but he would have continued to live and not have to die.

Since most if not all other physical life experience death, then it is reasonable to assume, that Adam was not initially meant to live forever.
All living physical life will experience death. But not all living things are in the image and likeness of God who is immortal and lives forever. It is only man who was created in the image and likeness of God. It is only man who was meant to live forever as God. And he would have had he not sinned. And he will, if he accepts God's plan of redemption for him through Christ.

Just as how they had no Knowledge (of Good and evil) before eating of the Tree of Good and Evil, Eternal (physical) Life would not have been conferred up on them until after they eat of the Tree of Life.
Oh yes. They would have still lived physically forever had they not eaten form the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Jesus only died because of our sins. Had he not allowed himself to be crucified, he would never had died a physical death. If Adam had not sinned, he like would not have suffered a physical death.

John 10: 18, "No one takes it (life) from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I receive from my Father."

Isaiah 53: 5, "But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed."

Now I said these things to say this. Had not Adam sinned, then he would have had access to the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. He would have known God but unlike God, he wouldn't have known evil. Since Adam was created and didn't know evil like God who was here from the very beginning, Adam would have to experience evil by having it become a part of him.

Genesis 3:22, "Now man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil."

I believe explained all of this in my first post to you.

It is best if you repost your own post as I might select the wrong post, if you do it then there can be no mistake.
No, you won't.

So when you do Good its not you who is doing the work but God?
So when you do evil who is doing the evil work?
If someone does not believe in Jesus (faith) does good work...is it in any way less valuable?
All men can do good. Even the most evilest of men can do good. We have the ability to do good without knowing God. It is the same as when we do evil, is it us or Satan?

When we do good it isn't any less valuable than someone who doesn't believe in Jesus. However, with Jesus our goodness in more and far greater than without Him. Our goodness is from our hearts without any conditions. It is not based on "ifs" and "becauses." In fact, it is based on the love of God and not man.

John 15: 12-13, "My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one that this, that he lay down his life for his friends. "

1st. John 4: 20, "If anyone says, 'I love God, yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen."

1st. Corinthians 13: 4-7, "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is note easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices in with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres."

No....I am questioning your belief and the type of God you believe in...
To me it seems you believe in a God who will work with evil to achieve his ends....I do not believe in such a God. Though you may not admit this to yourself.
I never said God works evil to achieve his ends. God doesn't do evil and isn't evil. Thee is no evil in God. Now Satan is evil and we do evil.

I have stated what I have stated for all to see. Don't try to tell me what I think because you will be wrong and that will make you someone who isn't telling the truth.

Maybe it is a misunderstanding on my part but most religious individuals has this type of cognitive dissonance....where in knowing of evil and benefiting from evil and having the power to stop it and not doing so is being a part of that evil.
Oh yes, it is a very big misunderstanding. First, I don't consider myself a religious person. I consider myself a spiritual person. So don't go making false assumptions and drawing false parallels to something you erroneously think.
So is God above his own Law?
No, God is the Law.

Is there things about God, I do not Know or will ever be able to understand - yes I am sure they are. But that will not stop me from asking the relative question given my limited understanding that I have.
There is nothing wrong with asking questions. However, in the case of Job, he wasn't asking questions but questioning God.

So what do you call some one who knows of a crime about to go down, has the ability to stop it and allows it to happen, so as to benefit from it or to allow others to benefit from it?
Everything happens for the good for "those" who believe in God.

Romans 8:28, "And we know that in all things (including the bad) God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to His purpose. "

Peace and Love to you.
 

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I really appreciate all the inputs etc. But, again what happens after you die, is there a:ghost: spiritual being movement or what? Or is death just, :what:"the ending."
 

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