Black Spirituality Religion : What Really Happens After Death?

Fireman

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I do not speak for scripture, scripture speaks to us all, and we take from it our own interpretations.
There are many sources of information and yes I hold scripture in high regard, but not as the sole and exclusive source of Spiritual information.
Well give me a scripture that speaks to us all and give me your "own" interpretation?

Jesus used scriptures. And he used parables to explain the scriptures. In fact, when in direct confrontation with Satan he used scriptures as his "sole" source of Spiritual information.

Matthew 4: 2-5, After fasting 40 days and 40 nights, he was hungry. the tempter (Satan) came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread." Jesus answered, "It is written: Man does not live by bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God."

Matthew 4: 5-7, Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. "If you are the Son of God, "he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written: "He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone." Jesus answered him, "It is also written: "Do not put the Lord your God to the test."

Matthew 4: 8-10, Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. "All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me." Jesus said to him. "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: "Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only."

How do you know Adam was suppose to live forever?
God created Adam sinless.

If there is a requirement in exchange for the gift it is not a gift.
When you work and is compensated for that work...it is not a gift
Chances are had you not done the work you, you would not receive that gift.
Transactions coming in many forms...Incentives, Raises, Promotions, Bonuses and Guarantees (promises) etc
No, there can be a requirement for a gift. If our children act good, we reward them with a gift. We reward good behavior. We don't need to make it an agreement as it a "transaction." It is just a requirement for receiving the gift.

John 3: 16, For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son (not a son like Adam who was created in the image and likeness of God, but a son who was exactly as God or was God himself in the flesh), that whoever "believes" in him shall not perish but have everlasting life."

Now isn't that simple. It doesn't cost us anything only that we believe, by faith, and act on that belief. And some do and some don't.

What you see in these verses, maybe different from what I see....it is against boasting about your deeds as a show of faith - as in philanthropy, or loudly praying and preaching so as to impress. It cannot be a condemnation of doing any good deed in any way.

Whose faith?.....having faith is the requirement
Faith is a form of Spiritual work not easily seen by others
Yet another scripture says
James 2:17
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
It is against boasting about what you have done. And that is pride in yourself. And yes, it is not a condemnation of doing any good deed. However, your good deeds is not a result of what you have done on your own. It is the result of God or the Holy Spirit that is now in you because of your acceptance of Christ, that you are able to do good works and deeds, not by "just" following the written law but the written law now transformed into the spiritual law that is now in your heart. So if you boast, your boasting is not about what you have done but about what God has done. By doing that you are glorifying God and not yourself.

Jeremiah 9:23-24, This is what the Lord says: "Let not the wise man boast of his wisdom or the strong man boast of his strength or the rich man boast of his riches, but let him who boasts about this: that he understands and knows me, that I am the Lord, who exercises kindness, justice, and righteous on earth, for these things I delight," declares the Lord.

1st. Corinthians 1: 31. Therefore it is written, "Let him who boasts, boasts in the Lord."

Yes faith is the requirement. We can't see God. We don't even know if God exist. We have to believe. We believe by hearing the Word. Our belief become our faith.

Hebrews 11: 1 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see."

My definition of faith is simply, believing and but now seeing.

James 2:17 is saying that you must act on your faith. Faith in Christ enables you to do good deeds and works because it comes from the love of God (Holy Spirit) that is now in you. Without believing in Christ, the love of God, Holy Spirit, will not reside in you. You are doing things on your own, thus ,as I have already stated, you give credit to yourself and not God.

1st Corinthian 13:13, And now these three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love.

"God created Satan a being (angel) whom he knew was going to be the opposite of Him spiritually"
It then appears God created Satan for this purpose hence it is not a act of disobedience or rebellion.
Yes, it is an act of disobedience and rebellion. God didn't force Satan to rebel against Him. Satan acted on his own. And God will put an end to Satan and all evil.

Revelation 20: 7-10, When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth; Gog and Magog to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sands on the seashore. They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Not according to your own statements
How?
We see the same scriptures differently....which sin is unforgivable?
Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. It is turning away from God after you have experience Him in all his full righteousness and holiness through his Holy Spirit by believing in Christ as Lord and Savior. It is like a person who has been freed from slavery and then wanting to go back to being a slave again. It is like as the scriptures state:

2nd Peter 2: 21-22, It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its vomit (Proverbs 26: 11), and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud."

Yes....Faith is not visible but the works that faith accomplish is often visible
OK, I agree.

For me its not just Justice....its Karma what goes around comes around.
OK, I agree.
 

SwagII

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Am I to conclude that death is all spiritual that is, according to all the scriptures that have been mentioned here, etc. What if, death wasn't that all? What if death was just as I've always surmised, etc. Nothing at all, just a closing of one's eyes, a cessation of one's life, a ending, etc. Which isn't spiritual at all. Death is just that as nature intended for all human life to begin and end. In many ways it's a very beautiful process. Btw, thanks for all the replies, etc. I have enjoyed such an open discussion. :handshake: Peace..
 

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Well give me a scripture that speaks to us all and give me your "own" interpretation?

Jesus used scriptures. And he used parables to explain the scriptures. In fact, when in direct confrontation with Satan he used scriptures as his "sole" source of Spiritual information.

Matthew 4: 2-5, After fasting 40 days and 40 nights, he was hungry. the tempter (Satan) came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread." Jesus answered, "It is written: Man does not live by bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God."

Matthew 4: 5-7, Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. "If you are the Son of God, "he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written: "He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone." Jesus answered him, "It is also written: "Do not put the Lord your God to the test."

Matthew 4: 8-10, Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. "All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me." Jesus said to him. "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: "Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only."
All Scripture is for all mankind...

God created Adam sinless.
God knew he was going to sin...and as you stated the result of sin is death.
Tree of Life
It seems that the sin was in eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge, only after eating that did man gain knowledge of Good and evil. Based on that scenario I believe Adam would not have lived for ever, the requirement for long life was that they would first have to eat of the Tree of Life. In the End God forbid it.
All Physical beings Die....Did they also eat of the Tree of Knowledge.

GENESIS
Chapter 2:9
9 the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good an evil
Chapter 3:22
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

We also now that there was a Tree of Life which God forbid Adam and Eve to eat of as it would result in them living forever

No, there can be a requirement for a gift. If our children act good, we reward them with a gift. We reward good behavior. We don't need to make it an agreement as it a "transaction." It is just a requirement for receiving the gift.

John 3: 16, For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son (not a son like Adam who was created in the image and likeness of God, but a son who was exactly as God or was God himself in the flesh), that whoever "believes" in him shall not perish but have everlasting life."

Now isn't that simple. It doesn't cost us anything only that we believe, by faith, and act on that belief. And some do and some don't.
If you reward or have a requirement of them and if they expect a reward it becomes a transaction.
Gifts are free and unconditional....reciprocating is a choice but not a condition.

It is against boasting about what you have done. And that is pride in yourself. And yes, it is not a condemnation of doing any good deed. However, your good deeds is not a result of what you have done on your own. It is the result of God or the Holy Spirit that is now in you because of your acceptance of Christ, that you are able to do good works and deeds, not by "just" following the written law but the written law now transformed into the spiritual law that is now in your heart. So if you boast, your boasting is not about what you have done but about what God has done. By doing that you are glorifying God and not yourself.

Jeremiah 9:23-24, This is what the Lord says: "Let not the wise man boast of his wisdom or the strong man boast of his strength or the rich man boast of his riches, but let him who boasts about this: that he understands and knows me, that I am the Lord, who exercises kindness, justice, and righteous on earth, for these things I delight," declares the Lord.

1st. Corinthians 1: 31. Therefore it is written, "Let him who boasts, boasts in the Lord."

Yes faith is the requirement. We can't see God. We don't even know if God exist. We have to believe. We believe by hearing the Word. Our belief become our faith.

Hebrews 11: 1 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see."

My definition of faith is simply, believing and but now seeing.

James 2:17 is saying that you must act on your faith. Faith in Christ enables you to do good deeds and works because it comes from the love of God (Holy Spirit) that is now in you. Without believing in Christ, the love of God, Holy Spirit, will not reside in you. You are doing things on your own, thus ,as I have already stated, you give credit to yourself and not God.

1st Corinthian 13:13, And now these three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love.
You do not have to believe in God to have Faith or do Good Works.
Faith without works is dead, there is no such thing as faith with out works - you show your Faith by your works.
We see and recognize the Works of God. To Worship God is to Work for God - to serve God.
Faith and Good Works are Universal and not the sole purview of any one religious belief.


Yes, it is an act of disobedience and rebellion. God didn't force Satan to rebel against Him. Satan acted on his own. And God will put an end to Satan and all evil.

Revelation 20: 7-10, When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth; Gog and Magog to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sands on the seashore. They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
If I knew before hand that someone is about to commit a crime and did nothing about it...if I had the authority and power to stop that person from committing said crime and did not nothing about it but used it to further my agenda....I cannot say that individual disobeyed my wishes, when I used his crimes to further my wishes aims and goals....we are in effect partners. In such a scenario God is the only one benefiting from such crimes.



I here quote you:

"God created Satan, through which sin would originate, to show his power, glory, and love to all he has created, especially man. How else could we know God and his goodness unless their was some opposing spiritual opposite."


That being the case, then some being had to do this work which means, that being knowingly or unknowingly is doing that which God wanted done. If God knew before hand that that was going to happen, then he is party to it happening....in essence they are accomplices in it together.


Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. It is turning away from God after you have experience Him in all his full righteousness and holiness through his Holy Spirit by believing in Christ as Lord and Savior. It is like a person who has been freed from slavery and then wanting to go back to being a slave again. It is like as the scriptures state:

2nd Peter 2: 21-22, It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its vomit (Proverbs 26: 11), and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud."

Proverbs 18:21
Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof
 

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