Black People : What makes what we think not racist / supremest

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  1. larry

    larry Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    I'll start with this quote so it helps frame where I'm coming from.
    Now looking at this my mind says, this is supremest racist talk. Now another part of my experience as a black person says something completely different. It finds some truth in the statement above.

    My question is what makes us different from "white" racists who believe and express that outwardly and covertly that they are held in higher regard to others around them because of what they've achieved as a race. If I use the argument that some species are given natural gifts that are different / better than other species, then I can say well it's a natural occurrence so I'm just going with nature / what nature says.

    I've checked around and seen forums that are similar to this, just the polar opposite, where "whites" feel as if we are "vastly" inferior to them. Again I'll ask, what makes us as "melanated" people different from other racists? I'm only asking this so I can help make sense out of the conflict in my mind, and I'd appreciated any input pro or con, I'm not at all trying to be divisive.

    Just so I'm clear, I spent a lot of time around a "white" and "melanated" kids when I was growing up. We were all middle / lower class. Through my teen years I spent more time in predominately "white" places, since that was the majority where I lived. As I started to get out and experience life, I amassed wealth, but then magically it was stripped from behind me by the very "jewish" business accountants I was paying to maintain my wealth. Needless to say it heavily affected my viewpoint on the opposite race. So presently, I do feel melanated people have more of a heart, are prone to fairness versus unfairness. Of course I look at every person individually, but those that I lump into a class have to make uphill climbs for trust, but that's how I work now. Just so we're clear.

    I even went as far to say to someone yesterday who disrespected me, "You know nothing about me, and how I'm superior to you in nature. The sun you worship as your god destroys you because you don't possess enough melanin to allow you to stay out in it. When you understand that then you'll see why I'm superior."

    I just shared that because it gets tiresome to get disrespected by "whites" covertly and sometimes overtly. So I've taken a stance to speak my mind about how I feel on the inside about myself and what I've studied. In case the bible is brought up, I've read it and studied it a lot (prophecy study / precept upon precept / etc . . .) and the bible itself pushed me toward a more "black people" centered frame of mind. I know this was a long post, but there's a lot going on in regards to this question. Thanks.
     
  2. skuderjaymes

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    1st thing.. Samarai36 is not us. Samarai36 is speaking for Samarai36. But I
    do know black folks who feel the same way.. that brings us to the 2nd thing.. your question:


    what makes us different from "white" racists who believe and express that
    outwardly and covertly that they are held in higher regard to others around
    them because of what they've achieved as a race.
    The primary difference has to do with context. Black hate of white folks has
    to do with the atrocities committed against Black folks by white folks. If you
    flip that over and look at White hatred aimed at Black folks what you get is
    a big question mark.. Ask yourself: what is behind the white hate and fear of
    black folks? What is behind white aggression?
    What is behind white jealously
    and animosity of Black people?
    Find the answers to those questions and
    then you will be standing on the proper contextual plane. And when you get
    there.. if you get there.. I guarantee you that the kinds of questions you ask
    will be much different. You will no longer wonder why some black people hate
    white people. You may instead begin to wonder why all black people
    dont hate white people. And you probably will never again equate racial
    attitudes of white and black people ever again... in my opinion.



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    context is everything.
     
  3. Ankhur

    Ankhur Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Why quote someone who is not here to defend or clarify his statement?
     
  4. larry

    larry Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Good question Ankhur. I did that because what he said made a lot of sense and there is somewhat of an observational undertone to it. I also used it to frame my own state of mind since it closely relates to the way I think about things. If you look at the thread it's from (16 pages worth) he defends his stance well. Again I'm not criticizing anyones stance, I'm taking a hard look at my stance on the issue or non issue.

    Thanks Skuderjaymes. What you said makes a lot of sense. Just so that I'm clear as I said above I just used that quote to frame where I come from, basic undertones of melanated people's sense of pride are essentially the same.

    Allow me to ask Skuderjaymes, why do you feel there's unprovoked hate historically and currently toward melanated people? At least offer me something to check up on to pull me out of the competitive state of racism and onto that point you spoke about where I will ask different questions. I'd appreciate it, and there's so much wrong knowledge disinfo in the world it's really hard to get to the bottom line of almost anything.

     
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    Ankhur Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Get and read books like

    The Miseducation of the Negro by Carter G Woodson
    The Wretched of the Earth, by Franz Fanon
    Before the Mayflower, by Lerone Bennet
    Message to the Black Man, by the Honorable Elijah Muhammed
    The Fire Next Time, by James Baldwin
    Malcolm X a Man and his Time, by Dr John Henrik Clarke
    Isis Papers, by Dr Francis Cress Welsing
    Civilization or Barbarism, by Cheick Anta Diop
    The Destruction of Black Civilizations, by Chancellor Williams
    Black man of the Nile, by Dr Ben Jochannan
    Sieze the Times, by Bobbie Seale
    The Strength to Love by Dr Martin Luther King
    The Conspiracy to Destroy Black Boys, by Jawanzaa Kunjufu
    Black Labor White Wealth, by Dr Claude Anderson

    Black history is not just a month, but every day that you live and breath

    Dr Clarke said;
    "History is a clock people use to tell their historical culture and political time of the day. It's a compass that people use to find themselves on the map of human geography. The history tells them where they have been, where they are and what they are. But most importantly history tells a people where they still must go and what they still must be"



    And Elijah Muhammed said about study:
    "First, my people must be taught the knowledge of self. Then and only then will they be able to understand others and that which surrounds them. Anyone who does not have a knowledge of self is considered a victim of either amnesia or unconsciousness and is not very competent. The lack of knowledge of self is a prevailing condition among my people here in America. Gaining the knowledge of self makes us unite into a great unity. Knowledge of self makes you take on the great virtue of learning."
    Honorable Elijah Muhammad
     
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  7. larry

    larry Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Thank you Jamesfrmphilly ankhur for all that info. I really appreciate it and I'm sure it'll help out certain areas.

    Think I'm gonna start with the Isis book or the black work white wealth.

    Man I'm really appreciative of what you guys put up to read on.
     
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    Here we go again.
     
  9. Ankhur

    Ankhur Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    That is what this place is about, sharing caring and providing

    many in their 20s and 30s have had the unfortunate experience of Black studies surgicaly removed from the high schools and colleges,
    and banned from the public and cable airways

    many major book stores, have nothing but love novels, and Donald Goines boks in the "Black books" section.

    For those of us over 45, Black scholarly material was about as available as corn flakes when we were children and teens,
    and telviion and radio was ull of black culture during the 60s, as well a Afrocentric communty centers in all major cities

    start with the list provided and many many more will be given!
     
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