Black Poetry : what is TOO MUCH independence?

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  1. baller

    baller Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    {THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC THAT I'VE DIRECTED AT WOMEN...BUT CAN BE APPLIED TO ANYONE.}

    what is TOO MUCH independence?

    if you have to show your independence
    everytime you take a step

    that's too much independence

    if you have to prove your independence
    everytime you open your mouth

    that's too much independence

    an argument everyday
    is indicative of
    a failed relationship in denial

    one day, he'll wake up
    and you'll be independent of him

    what is too much independence?

    if you ever tell your man
    that he's less than a man
    ...thinking you're more of a man
    yet, lie down, every night
    next to him

    {maybe you need a woman}

    coz that's too much independence.

    if you trample ALL OVA your partner's manhood
    to prove your womanhood

    THAT'S TOO **** MUCH INDEPENDENCE

    if you're so independent
    that you can't allow for interdependence

    that's too much independence

    if this is you
    you don't know what independence is.

    {learn aloneness}

    i'm not saying that a woman should be dependent on a man
    i'm saying that a woman should be a woman and let a man be a man.

    anything else is too much independence.

    if a man can't be a man
    he's gonna bounce.

    see what i'm saying.
     
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    Da Street So'ja Banned MEMBER

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    BALLER

    FEELING YOUR FLOW

    sometimes you believe in your position
    so much it's to a fault

    because you hurt people or turn people off

    this poem is for everyone not just women

    >DSSNY<

    PEACE TO DA SPRINGS and your family
     
  3. baller

    baller Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    THANKS So'ja

    going into relationships, we sometimes forget that it's NO LONGER "I" or "ME"...it's "US" or "WE". once we fully understand that, things become easier.

    but, you're right, those POSITIONS will kill us if that's all we're thinking about.

    DA SPRINGS WILL TAKE CARE OF DA SPRINGS, MY BRUTHA...it's the EAST COAST that everyone's worried about.

    keep yo' head up.
     
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    Stepping Out!

    I got to give it up to the Baller--you said it, you meant it and you stand by it--not everyone would say it or even think it--how independence is too much independence--perhaps you are right in that when independence becomes a topic then it is toomuch independence because like anything else if you have it, it is apparrent and there is no need of discussion or inactments--Ra


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    $$RICH$$ Lyon King Admin. STAFF

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    I totally agree Baller

    man in most cases we forget it a us and not just a me....
    but so many thinks its all about one self and forget the
    mate well the sun do shine on both sides...:) well said
     
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    AND THE WOMAN SAID IN REPLY!

    As long as my independence does not become co-dependent
    then we are good to go.
    Cause no one should surrender unknowingly to any rule but
    God, for he is the one who already knows.
    What is good for me!
    As longs as my independence does not become co-dependent
    then we are good to go.
    As long as the man recognizes my worth and put's me first
    only after God, then we will never trod the path of the co-dependent.
    For it is not two halves that God did create he made them whole unto themselves just a lil bit different.
    And as long as the man know's it and show's it!
    Then we are good to go.
    My indepenendence need not threaten you so, that it becomes
    the focus of this LOVE SHOW.
    Then we are good to go!
    Cause an independent woman is only a complete woman relying on her true security from God, ya know!
    Then if you understand that then we are good to go!
    But, if it is a battle that is still going on......then dear scribe
    our job is not done.........
    For independence sake , let every man and woman now awake!
    For hard won, and hard earned independence!
    If the tyranny reigns and arrogant and difficult you must be
    you sound like a captive to me.
    Independence simply means the right to be free!

    *BLESSINGS ON YA HOUSE!
     
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    baller Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    actually...

    i expected an uproar from the women in the house.

    Msluciousb...thanks for the flow...let it be known that in no way do i support dependency of any sort--EXCEPT FOR DEPENDENCY ON GOD. i feel that each one is ONE individual...responsible for SELF. however, in a relationship, the two becomes one...and, therefore, responsible for each other. does that defind CO-DEPENDENCY? hmmm.

    Ra...just as a rich person doesn't have to flaunt--advertise--their wealth, and step on others, in order to be rich...an independent person doesn't have to put a sign on their back, signifying their independence, in order for the world to acknowledge their independence. i've noticed that people with REAL POWER doesn't flaunt their power...it's the people who are chasing power that does. once we become COMFORTABLE with our independence, hopefully, we can concentrate on being loving people.:)

    $$RICH$$...as with a marriage, it takes a while before those involved settle down to being a couple and stop thinking that they're still single. eventually, most of them get there. for the few that don't, well, somethings weren't meant to be.

    THANKS FOR READING ME.
     
  8. Kitana

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    Baller

    I agree with what you've said...and..think it's the same for the man...and is it too much independence or too much insecurity..so we over-react before we get hurt..

    if we get too independent we shut the other out..and sometimes the damage is irretrievable....so where do we draw the line...

    and as for independence in a relationship, working out a solution that suits both, takes time and effort...it's a learning process, and sometimes couples will not reach that solution until they have been together for a long time...

    personally, I think there will always be times when a woman needs to lean on her man, and times when a man needs to lean on his woman...knowing when these times come around, is what makes it work....and what makes a relationship whole...it's all about balance and knowing how to use the scales...

    K
     
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    Baller......

    Independence to me
    means being able to handle your
    business like a lady
    with respect for yourself
    demanding that you are respected
    yet at the same time cherishing
    the femininity inside
    to be a woman and letting
    the man be the man


    Epiphany :heart:
     
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    baller Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Kitana...

    you are exactly right. it does apply to the man as well as the woman. in my conversation with one individual, he said that independence doesn't become an issue until it's mentioned. some people wear their independence on their sleeves...throwing it up in everyone's face...like a badge of honor. it is mostly of these people that i speak.

    it does take time for couples to reach that balance...longer for some than others. the quicker they get there, the easier life will be.


    LET THE RIVER FLOW.
     
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