Pan-Africanism : What is Pan-Africanism?

OmowaleX said:
LOL!

Your entire perspective is fallacious.

It was "originally led" by the reactionaries responsible for the Murder of Pan-Africanist leader Patrice Lumumba, and the reactionaries responsible for the overthrow of Dr. Kwame Nkrumah in Ghana and Ahmed Ben Bella in Algeria. Long before "Mengistu" came to power in Ethiopia.

True. But, this discussion is about a few very limited ides and subjects. We do not expect to cover the enitrety of African history, here. The best that we can hope for is to give the next generation the tools that they will need to correctly analyze our history so that they can avoid the mistakes that we made.

That is extremely important: we made mistakes, big mistakes. Accordingly, we have a duty to act like mature adults and own up to our mistakes in front of everybody, especilly the leaders of the next generation. We do not want them to make the mistakes that we made.

Africans, do not ignore fratricide among us. When Menguistu commited fratricide, too many of us ignored it. All that the Chistian community did was send in a few boat loads of wheat fatback and couple barrels of chitterlings as millions of our brotehrs and sisters starved under Menguistu. Now, they want to cry crocodile tears over the war in Western Sudan. Be assured, this is not because they have found love for Africans overnight. It because the Islamic Republic has immease petroleum reources. But, the pigs messed up. They bombed Sudan. Now, Sudan is selling her oil to the People's Republic. so, they are bluffing. They do not want any piece of Sudan because they know that they cannot win, there, any more than they can win in Irag or Afghanistan.

So, I am against this propaganda not bexuse I fear for the safty of Sudan. Beleive me, we can defend Sudan. The only thing that worries me is we, as Africans, are not learning to avoid walking into divide and conquor traps set for us by Rev. Mr. Charley.

I want to take this opportunity to clear up an earlier mis-understnding that developed because Brother Omowale and me. I call you a name as a tease because I mistakenly thought that the two of us had developed a degree of comaraderie that permitted light teasing and joking. It seems that I was wrong. Therefore, I want to extend to you an invitation to join us at fudaa.blogspot.com under Nkrumahis-Tureist Economics to continue developing an economic theory to guide us as we enter the final stages of the African Revolution. This is a very serious minded blog.
 
reply to [CrunchyStuff]NNqueen

CrunchyStuff said:
NNqueen,

To hip you to some of the more sublime things about Pan-Africanism as I know them and teach them.

African, always remember that no matter what one knows and thinks one knows, there is always more to learn. Personally, I try to learn something new each hour of each day. In fact, teaching is one of the best ways to learn. In order to learn by teaching, one must be wise enough and humble enough to learn from one's student.

Pan-Africanism can also be socialist or capitalist or based on communalism.


Please see my thread under Pan-Africanism, Nkrumahism-Tureism in this forum. For a more in-depth theory, go to fudaa.blogspot.com. Scroll down to Nrumahist-Tureist Economics. Please study the links and let me know what you think.


Pan-Africanist can be followers of Garvey, who believed in the idea of an African Empire, more capitalist.

The Honorable Marcus Garvey was, in fact, elected Provisional President of Africa. I do not know that he ever called for an Empire. It seems to me that a president heads a republic, or a united republic, rather than an empire.

Pan-Africanist can be more like Dubois and Nkrumah who believed in scientific socialism.

The Honorable Dr. W.E.B. Dubois became a member of the American Communist Party, towards the end of his life. He was a friend and collaborator of Osagyfo Dr. Kwame Nkrumah, the first President of the Republic of Ghana. However, we should avoid confusing communism with scientific socialism. (See Marxism-Leninism and Nkrumahism by Comrade Dr. Kwame Ture (formerly Stokely Carmichael.) This is available in this forum under Pan-Africanism, scroll down to Marxism...It is also at fudaa.blogspot.com along with other pertinent information.

Pan-Africanism can also incorporate the many veins of Afrocentrism, or the Negritude movement [what Afrocentrism was called in Africa back in the 60's].

We are into deep water on this one. If you do not know how to swim, be careful.

Pan-Africanism incorporates all these ideologies and more.

The highest expression of Pan-Africanism is Nkrumahism-Tureism. See the references above.

The main thrust of Pan-Africanism, is that you are thinking in terms of the African Diaspora [ALL THE BLACK PEOPLE IN THE WORLD] and the mother Continent[ALL THE BLACK PEOPLE WITH IN AFRICA].

Pan-Africanism is about serving the African Nation (the African Union, plus the African Diaspora.) It is a theory and means by which "Africans and People of African descent all over the world are Africans and belong to the African Nation: Africans for Africa."


Pan- just means ALL.

All-Africans or All of Africa and her children, no matter where they are in the world.

Exactly.

For me when I say I am Pan-African these are the things that I believe that I mean.

1. I believe that all Black Children deserve a Black Education.

African children, please. The Front for the Unification and Development of Africa and Arabia has a Committee on Education and Social Development. See the references avove.


2. I believe that Black Americans should plan to return to Africa.

"Black Americans" should recognize and respect their Africanness before making an actual physical return to Africa. Otherwise, they will do more damage than good for the African Revolution. AFRICANS FOR AFRICA.


3. I believe in economic segregation for Africa.

We need Economic Development in Africa as well as the African Diaspora (the African Nation). We must pursue this Development wherever we may be physically location at any one given point in time. In fact, the word "segregation" worries me. For instance, we need to trade with our neighbors. This includes Iran, located on our Tigris-Euphrates border and all of the Pacific Powers. These include Sri Lanka, the Philipines, Japan, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Korea, Singapore, Indonesia, India, China and some smaller islands. We Africans have blood relations to all of these peoples. Therefore, we should be careful about the use of the word "segregation".

Be especially mindful that the places I just mentioned include the majority of humanity. They also have the majority of economic potential. Therefore, we no longer need Mr. Charley. That much is certain. We have never needed him. He needs us. See the slavetrade. We did not ask to come here. We were kidnapped and brought here screaming and yelling, fighting and resisting, against our will. We are ALL Citizens of Africa.


4. I believe in family ownership of land not private and not public.
5. I believe that we should concern ourselves with basics.
6. I believe that Black People need to be humble and unify.
7. I believe that God gave Africa to Black People.

Absolutely. Read Genesis Chapter 2, Verses 8-17. For those too lazy to go look for the Bible Rev. Mr Charley gave them, I have listed those Verses below:

8 And the LORD God planted a garden in Eden, (Soamlia? Abdurrahman) in the east; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9 And out of the ground the LORD God made to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food, the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

10 A river flowed out of Eden to water the garden, and there it divided and became four rivers. ( The River Nile. Abdurrahman) 11 The name of the first is Pishon; it is the one which flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; 12 and the gold of that land is good; bdellium (berilium, arong Lake Victory. Abdurrahman) and onyx stone (Malagasy. Abdurrahman) are there. 13 The name of the second river is Gihon; it is the one which flows around the whole land of Cush. (Ethiopia. Abdurrahman) 14 And the name of the third river is Tigris, which flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates. (Irag. Abdurrahman)

15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to till it and keep it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "You may freely eat of every tree of the garden.

17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die." (I have a friend who tells me that there is a place in Somalia that is is sort of like the Burmuda Triangle in as much as anyone who enters the never returns. This is known to local Africans only.)

Beautiful! This is Pan-Africanism at its very best.

Of course I am also a fan of the Bible.

Absolutely.

So I believe Jesus when he said "love your enemies", he did not mean PRETEND you do NOT have any enemies.

Absolutely.


If you do not have enemies, how can you love them?

Absolutely.


My belief of the purpose of Black Americans in America is best shown by one of my favorite Black Americans Christians. He was killed by White People.

Absolutely. Do not forget the Unlce Toms who set him up.


Will the Lord suffer this people to go on much longer, taking his holy name in vain? Will he not stop them, preachers and all?

Amen.

O Americans! Americans!! I call God--I call angels--I call men to witness that your destruction is at hand, and will be speedily consummated unless you repent."

Amen

The words of David Walker, the Bostonian son of a free mother and slave father, were as much a threat as they were a jeremiad. His 76-page pamphlet, Walker’s Appeal ... to the Colored Citizens of the World (1829), marked the beginnings of a new abolitionism--and the beginnings of a rift between white and black antislavery movements. Nervous reactions "They want us for their slaves, and think nothing of murdering us," Walker wrote of southern slaveholders. "Therefore, if there is an attempt made by us, kill or be killed . . . and believe this, that it is no more harm for you to kill a man who is trying to kill you than it is for you to take a drink of water when thirsty; in fact the man who will stand still and let another man murder him is worse than an infidel." Walker had never been a slave, but having been born in Wilmington, North Carolina, he knew its horrors. He had once seen a son forced to whip his mother to death. As a devout Baptist with a deep knowledge of the Bible, he believed the Old Testament God who violently freed the Israelites would free "the most degraded, wretched, and abject set of beings that ever lived." The Boston clothier was also fluent in the rhetoric of the American Revolution, quoting Thomas Jefferson at length. For Walker, the Declaration of Independence, which affirmed the right of revolution, justified blacks’ rising against their oppressors. Thus they could act confidently: "Never make an attempt to gain our freedom or natural right, from under our cruel oppressors and murderers, until you see your way clear--when that hour arrives and you move, be not afraid or dismayed; for be you assured that Jesus Christ the king of heaven and of earth who is the God of justice and of armies, will surely go before you. And those enemies who have for hundreds of years stolen our rights and kept us ignorant of him and his divine worship, he will remove."[/QUOTE

Amen. Amen. Amen. AAAAAAAAAA. Amen AAAAAAAAAAAAA,. Amen AAAAAAAAAAAMMEN AMEN. AMEN. Amen.


Get the HOLY GHOST, Chiiiiiiil-lins.....
Better watch that kind of stuff. You might re-convert me back to Christianity. Joking.


They passed laws forbidding blacks to read, banned the lins.

What? No wonder must of us do not know anything about Africa.

" Southern whites were horrified by "the diabolical Boston Pamphlet."

I hate to see their horror when they see the diabolical fudaa.blogspot.com.

For me Pan-Africanism is two fold. What we are going to do to secure that Africa is never attacked again in the future. And what we are going to do, to improve our humble home and our people in Africa.

ORGANIZE! ORGANIZE! ORGANIZE!........

UNITE! UNITE! UNITE! .......

AFRICANS FOR AFRICA! AFRICANS FOR AFRICA! AFRICANS FOR AFRICA!........

FORWARD! FORWARD! FORWARD!..........

LONG LIVE THE NATION! LONG LIVE THE NATIOn! LONG LIVE THE NATION!
 
panafrica said:
Great reply CrunchyStuff, and nice to meet you. To answer NN again:

There are different ideologies (or different approaches) to PanAfricansim. If for no other reason this is a reflection of the different cultures & economic structures of the various countries in the world where people of African Descent live. Each country, each ethnic group, each nationality (African, African American, African Carribean, African European, etc.), has a different perspective to bring. Many Pan Africanist are socialist, and the debate whether socialism or capitialism is most beneficial to the improvement of black people worldwide is one of the hottest debates among Pan Africanist. These are the types of issues that are better discussed at a Pan African Conference like those of the early 1900s, which is why I would personally like for them to continue.

Debate is part of a dialectic process by which we arrive at growth and development. As this relates to socialism and capitalism, I report that progress has been made. Thanks to the works of Brother Omowale and me, as well as this forum, we have been able to develop the concept of Nkrumahist-Tureist Economics. One feature ofthis theory is that we are now able to move beyond the debate over capitalism and socialism to determine exactly what is best for the African Nation at any one given point in time. There are times when capitalistideas and practices can and must be used to acheive development. At other times, we must utilie socialist methods. Whether we use capitalist methods or socialist methods, we must always be true to Africa. One way to be true to Africa is to allow ourselves to be guided by the principle of as-Sharia which prevents economic exploitation and oppression. Keep in mind that as-Sheria is Islamic Law and that Islam is an African religion.

For a more in-depth analysis of Nkrumahist-Tureist Economics, please visit us at fudaa.blkogspot.com. Scroll down to Nkrumahist-Tureist Economics. Here, we have listed several important institutions that affect the economic life of Africans all over the world. It is our duty as leaders of this generation of Africans to analyze this economic reality and develop new ideas and theories and practices to the Development and Unification of Africa.
 

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