Pan-Africanism : What is Nationalism? Pan-Africanism? : Compare the Similarities and Differences

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It is a good read. While there are some redeeming values in both, they seem to be unaware of what makes Africa, Africa. In doing so many are looking for Western solutions for a unique African society.

When you want to do something positive for Africa you must first understand it's society. It is not Western based, but African.

What does that mean? The society is organized along blood lines. Notice I didn't say countries! These bloodlines are further organized in alliances. These alliances became clans and as a whole they make up the tribes, and they are lead by elders. And the elders are the key to getting things done in most of Africa!

Because of this structure, the family unit is more important than the individual, meaning, the individual will strive to benefit the family unit, which goes beyond wife and kids, but includes, mom, grandma, grandpa etc.

In a western society we tend to put this responsibility, caring for extended family elders on the state. If something like that would be done in Africa it would break down the family and eventually the society would fall apart.

Saying all that to say that Africa as a nation will always be a dream. That does not mean we can not pool resources together and offer help though, and that is the part I DO like about Pan-Africanism.
 

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It is a good read. While there are some redeeming values in both, they seem to be unaware of what makes Africa, Africa. In doing so many are looking for Western solutions for a unique African society.

When you want to do something positive for Africa you must first understand it's society. It is not Western based, but African.

What does that mean? The society is organized along blood lines. Notice I didn't say countries! These bloodlines are further organized in alliances. These alliances became clans and as a whole they make up the tribes, and they are lead by elders. And the elders are the key to getting things done in most of Africa!

Because of this structure, the family unit is more important than the individual, meaning, the individual will strive to benefit the family unit, which goes beyond wife and kids, but includes, mom, grandma, grandpa etc.

In a western society we tend to put this responsibility, caring for extended family elders on the state. If something like that would be done in Africa it would break down the family and eventually the society would fall apart.

Saying all that to say that Africa as a nation will always be a dream. That does not mean we can not pool resources together and offer help though, and that is the part I DO like about Pan-Africanism.

Beautiful words you've shared ... i agree ... and am often driven by an energy like you've described.

Maintaining an unbroken circle of Family, respecting and honoring our Elders, it's so in me.

It will be difficult for anyone to provide solutions for others, when they can't do it for self.

Thanks for Sharing!

Much Love and Peace.

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Destee
 

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I beg to differ! The nation state is a European concept imposed on Afrikans by Europeans. Afrikans developed territorial states with loose, porous boarders that were multi-ethnic and multi-cultural. Cultures fertilizing cultures, competing to be better not to dominate and destroy each other!
 

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I beg to differ! The nation state is a European concept imposed on Afrikans by Europeans. Afrikans developed territorial states with loose, porous boarders that were multi-ethnic and multi-cultural. Cultures fertilizing cultures, competing to be better not to dominate and destroy each other!
The point is Africa is Africa now, and let us be adult about this, in many nations there are hundreds of thousands who dont even know their ancestral language only the White mans forced language. For thirty years I have heard folks say national borders were forced on Africans well if that is the case an there is a spirit among the grassroots to, as you say go back to multi ethnic and multi cultural, why is there such a recalcitrance to that right now in the ipad age, 40 years after liberation?. For one...one would assume if there was the former sentiment as you say Pan Africanism would not be something we are discussing as a wonderful idea in some glorious future, but instead something we could look back at and count the achievements of, as well as be discussing how much we as Africans in the diaspora should be trading and investing in a Pan African continent of unified people, unified without uniformity.
 

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The point is Africa is Africa now, and let us be adult about this, in many nations there are hundreds of thousands who dont even know their ancestral language only the White mans forced language. For thirty years I have heard folks say national borders were forced on Africans well if that is the case an there is a spirit among the grassroots to, as you say go back to multi ethnic and multi cultural, why is there such a recalcitrance to that right now in the ipad age, 40 years after liberation?. For one...one would assume if there was the former sentiment as you say Pan Africanism would not be something we are discussing as a wonderful idea in some glorious future, but instead something we could look back at and count the achievements of, as well as be discussing how much we as Africans in the diaspora should be trading and investing in a Pan African continent of unified people, unified without uniformity.
Why? Because of cultural genocide! 40 years after what liberation? I didn't get that memo, oops e-mail! :( Are you kidding? Afrikans on the continent are just as corrupt and culturally confused as Afrikans in this country. Most of us in this country are Europeanized. In the motherland they are Arabized.
 

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I beg to differ! The nation state is a European concept imposed on Afrikans by Europeans. Afrikans developed territorial states with loose, porous boarders that were multi-ethnic and multi-cultural. Cultures fertilizing cultures, competing to be better not to dominate and destroy each other!
Some see things only as the are now, not as they were and were in our peoples best interests...

I. e., some folks destroyed what they found out of envy, others on the basis of their fears...

Neither reflects the hype of them being 'superior' and others 'inferior'...

Just the opposite...

Hence how somebody justifies the crime maters not, other than reveal the crooks they are...

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Why? Because of cultural genocide! 40 years after what liberation? I didn't get that memo, oops e-mail! :( Are you kidding? Afrikans on the continent are just as corrupt and culturally confused as Afrikans in this country. Most of us in this country are Europeanized. In the motherland they are Arabized.
what are you suggesting doing about it?

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The point is Africa is Africa now, and let us be adult about this, in many nations there are hundreds of thousands who dont even know their ancestral language only the White mans forced language. For thirty years I have heard folks say national borders were forced on Africans well if that is the case an there is a spirit among the grassroots to, as you say go back to multi ethnic and multi cultural, why is there such a recalcitrance to that right now in the ipad age, 40 years after liberation?. For one...one would assume if there was the former sentiment as you say Pan Africanism would not be something we are discussing as a wonderful idea in some glorious future, but instead something we could look back at and count the achievements of, as well as be discussing how much we as Africans in the diaspora should be trading and investing in a Pan African continent of unified people, unified without uniformity.
Yes, today's african nations reflect advances and retreats, but we just helped to elect one african american this nation's president, whereas africans do have some sayso over who leads their nations, as a given...

I. e., in spite of the hype, africans on the continent have far more options, than we do here...

FYI...
 

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Why? Because of cultural genocide! 40 years after what liberation? I didn't get that memo, oops e-mail! :( Are you kidding? Afrikans on the continent are just as corrupt and culturally confused as Afrikans in this country. Most of us in this country are Europeanized. In the motherland they are Arabized.
Arabized Europeanized? So you support White Supremacy with your defeatist attitude? All due respect you sound like someone who has not read any African American history from reconstruction to the Black Power Movements, and read no pre colonial African history at all, cause if you did you would realize that there is nothing we cannot accomplish; or change within us!
 

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