Black Spirituality Religion : What is Heaven and Hell??

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  1. Pharaoh Jahil

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    To me, Heaven and Hell is not above or below, but within...The Most High never made a heaven or hell, we are our own creators..



    What is Heaven and Hell to you?


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    peace,

    True indeed!

    - Heaven & Hell to me are Mind States..............(levels of conciousness)

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    What Ware and When is Heaven

    Hotep

    When we "Open" our eyes in this "Life" (At-Birth), We had closed our eyes on another "Life". Life comes from Life. The Origenal (Mind) is the first Black-Man and Woman, "And we still are". We are our Ancestors and the Ancestors are "Us". We would not be here unles they were here "First". Every thing that happened 100-Thousand years ago is still part of our "Collective Experience",as so-called Afrikans and a part of our "Genetic-Bank".

    Any thing out side of the above is Not part of you and Not part of your experience, but of a scorce out-side of the Origenal, commonly called Europians, or the Beast.

    Heaven and Hell (Above and Below) are conditions, in this life and the next or "The Here After".

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    that's peace God!!!!!

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    What Is Hell And Where Is It < Part One >

    Hell is A state of mind created by Religious Beliefs . The description of Hell and all it contains would Render you in Hell Already . I will try to give you An Overstanding of What being call Hell in this day and time . It is up to you of course , To make the choice . The Religious Beliefs That Imprison You In Such States As A Hell , That Is Someone In A Dark Pit . With Tormenting Demons . So what and where is Hell ? Is something many people , both young and old , Often ask and question , So you know what and where Hell is ? Or do you just have your own Religious Concept ? Is There A Hell , For That Matter ? Do You Expect To Ever Go There ?

    Do you care one way or the other ? Have your ever noticed that many people NowAdays give praise to the devil the evil one and his Advocates ; Television , Movies , Music . Advertisment , Novels , Religions, And A host of other ways , Even in something as obscure as everyday conversation , For Instance , '' Hell..? ; '' Here Comes The Devil ... ' ; That's The Pits ... ; Hello ... ; '' The Devil Made Me Do It ... '' Speaking Of The Devil ... And they say '' Let Me Play The Devil's Advocate '' ; That Kid Is A Real Devil '' Etc Etc . Think about it !!! If you even begin to define some of the words associated with Hell you will soon begin to realize the evil hypnotic word tricks being played . For example , look at the words **** . Serpent , Devil . And Hell .

    **** ( Dam ) V . Damned , ****-Ing , Damns . --- Tr . 1 . To pronounce an adverse judgment upon see synonyms at Condemn . 2 . To bring about the failure of ; Ruin . 3 . To condemn as harmful , illegal , or immoral ; A cleric who damned gambling and strong drink 4 . Theology . To condemn to everylasting punishments or A simlar fate ; doom .


    ser-pent ( Sur-PeNt ) N . 1 . A reptile of the order serpentes . A snake . 2 . Other Serpent .A. The creature that tempted eve . B . Satan . 3 . A subtle , sly or Treacherous person . [ Middle English , From Old French , From Latin , SerpeNs , Serpent - From Present Participle Of Serpere . To Creep . ]


    dev'il ( DeV'el ) N . 1 . Often Devil . Theology . In many Religions . The major personified spirit of evil . Ruler of Hell , And foe of God . Used with the . 2 . A subordinate evil spirit ; A demon . 3 . A wicked or malevolent person 4 . A person ; A handsome devil ; The poor devil 5 . An energetic , Mischievous , Daring , or Clever person . 6 . Printing A printer's devil . 7 . A device or machine , especially one having teeth or spikes and used for tearing . 8 . An outstanding example , especially of something difficult or bad ; Has a devil of A temper . 9 . A severe reprimand or expression of anger ; Gave me the devil for cutting class , 10 . Informal used as an intensive ; Who the devil do you think you are ? 11. Christian Science . The opposite of truth ; Error . -- Dev-ll Tr. V dev'lled or Dev'llled , Dev'll'Ing or Dev'll'Ling . Dev-lls or Dev'lls , 1 . To season ( food ) heavily . 2 . To Annoy . Torment , or Harass . 3 . To tear up
    ( Cloth or Rags ) In A Toothed Machine .


    Hell ( HeL ) N . 1 .A. Often Hell . The abode of condemned souls and devils in some Religions ; The place of eternal punishment for the wicked after death , Presided over by satan . B . A state of separation from God . 2 . The abode of the dead . Identified with The Hebrew Sheol and The Greek Hades ; The underworld . 3 . Hell . Christian Science . Mortal Belief ; Sin Or Error . 4 . A. Situation or place of evil , Misery , Discord . or Destruction ; '' War Is Hell
    ( William Tecumseh Sherman ) . B . Torment ; Anguish ; went through hell on the job . 5 .A. The power of darkness and evil . B . Informal One that cause trouble , agony , or annoyance ; The boss is hell when a job is poorly done . 6 . A sharp scolding ; Gave The Student Hell For Cheating . 7 . Informal Excitement , Mischievousness , Or High Spirit ; We Did It For The Sheer Hell Of It . 8 . A . A Tailor's Recptacle for discarded Material . B . Printing . A Hellbox Taken From The American Heritage Dictionary


    Have you ever had A fiery argument with an arrogant , But close friend ; And in anger , His final outburst was . '' Go To Hell ! '' How did it make you feel ? Did you laugh or did you cry ? Did you want to hit him or tell him to '' Go To Hell ? '' What do you think he though hell was when he said it ; A Darkness Of Nothing , A Place Where The Devil And All Bad People Stay . Or A Fiery Inferno ?


    Consider the familiar , casual morning salutation Good Morning ! Does it really mean '' Good Morning '' . Or is this saying . Mourn . Good Mourning ? Then there is the famous Hello ! Are you sure the other person was not implying its reverse ; O Hell or Hell Is Low Or Mourn Good ? What Do You Mean When You Say These Phrases ? What Do You Mean When You Use Any Of The Following Expressions .


    Why in the hell can't I go ... Till hell freezes over .... How the hell can I go ...
    He ran like hell to catch the bus ... He scared the hell out of me ...
    Out all night helling around ... A hell - of -a flying experience .....
    Walked home by the old school for the hell of it ... Hell's low --- hello
    We're staying , Come hell or high water .... Went through hell on the job ....
    The boss is hell . when a job is poorly done ... What the hell are you doing ?
    Gave the student hell for cheating ... We did it for the sheer hell of it ...
    Get the hell out of my face ... How in the hell should I know ? That's one hell of job ... You did one hell of a job ....


    Hell no I wont ... Driving in A hilly town is hell on the brakes ... The hell I will ... If we're wrong , there'll be hell to pay ....How the hell am I suppose to know ? The hell if I know ... Go to hell ... He ran out of the house like A bat out of hell ... Who the hell are you ?

    When you deal with The Phonetics Of The Word Hell You Get Held , They have you thinking that you are saying SomeThing Different but in actuality you're saying Hell !!! Spelled Different , And Subliminally It Sounds The Same Thus , In Your Subconscious It Is The Same .

    You'll be held responsible ...... Held the suspect for questioning .... You held is up .... The storyteller held the crowd spellbound ..... They held up A bank .... The dam held the floodwaters .... Held the reins tightly .... Thieves held the stolen painting for ransom .... Held A hose on the fire ... Students held the administrative building for A week .... The court held that the defendant was at fault ... She held her temper .... Held the race in florida .... Held A meeting of the board , Etc ....


    If everyone knew what Hell was . They wouldn't be so quick to use the word so Freely . Life , Death , Hell . Heaven . Angel Devils . Sin . Righteousness --- These Are All Things That Are Real . Each Day That Dawns And You Are Alive To See It . It Brings You That Much Closer To Realizing That They Are A Reality . The Suhuf , The Old Testament , The New Testament . The Hikmah , Revelation , And The Koran Tells You About These Thing ,


    What Is Hell ? Hell Is Defined In The American Heritage Dictionary As ;
    Hell ( HeL ) N . 1 .A. Often Hell . The abode of condemned souls and devils in some Religions ; The place of eternal punishment for the wicked after death , Presided over by satan . B . A state of separation from God . 2 . The abode of the dead . Identified with The Hebrew Sheol and The Greek Hades ; The underworld . 3 . Hell . Christian Science . Mortal Belief ; Sin Or Error . 4 . A. Situation or place of evil , Misery , Discord . or Destruction ; '' War Is Hell
    ( William Tecumseh Sherman ) . B . Torment ; Anguish ; went through hell on the job . 5 .A. The power of darkness and evil . B . Informal One that cause trouble , agony , or annoyance ; The boss is hell when a job is poorly done . 6 . A sharp scolding ; Gave The Student Hell For Cheating . 7 . Informal Excitement , Mischievousness , Or High Spirit ; We Did It For The Sheer Hell Of It . 8 . A . A Tailor's Recptacle for discarded Material . B . Printing . A Hellbox Taken From The American Heritage Dictionary


    According To The American Heritage Dictionary Of The English Language It Is .
    ( 1 ) . The abode of the dead ; The underworld where departed Souls were believe to dwell ; Specifically in Hebrew Scriptures ; Sheol , And In Greco - Roman Trdadition , Hades ,
    ( 2 ) . The abode of condemmed souls and devils ; Place or states or Torture and Punishment frot the wicked after death , presided over by satan .
    ( 3 ) . The infernal powers of evil and darkness .
    ( 4 ) . A place or state of great iniquity , Misery , Discord or destruction .
    ( 5 ) . Torment ; Anguish ; Something that cause agony .
    According To The Westiminster Bible Dictionary Hell Is .
    ( 1 ) . The Place Of The Dead ,
    ' :donttell:




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    What Is Hell And Where Is It < ParTwo > ParThree Will Be Next

    Do The Religious Scholars Really Know What Or Where Hell Is ? They don't know where hell is . They don't even know if there is A such place as Hell that really exist . They can't tell me where Hell is . They can't even decide where Hell is . Which one it it ? Is it the Lake Of Fire Revelation 20;10 And I Quote ; And the devil that deceived them was cast into the Lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are . and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever ,


    Or The Pit Revelation 11;7 And I Quote ; And when they shall have finished their testimony . the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them , and shall overcome them and kill them ,
    Or is it A PLACE WHERE YOU WILL BE GIVEN Oozing Pus to drink like The Koran describes Koran 14;16 , ( In Arabic ) And I Quote ; From < Waraa-ihi > Behind Him is Hell < Jahannam > and he shall drink of the < Maa-in > Water of < Sadiyd
    > Pus ,

    Or A place where you will be roasted Koran 17;18 ( In Arabic ) And I Quote ; Whoever wants ( this world ) to hurry ( just for himself quick returns and short term benefits ; ) we made it be quick for him in it what we Eloheem / Anunnaqi please , for whom we Eloheem / Anunnaqi want . them , we made for him
    < Jahannam > Hell , He will burn in it ( and arrive at it ) , abused and disgraced


    Or A prison Koran 17;8 ( In Arabic ) And I Quiote ; Maybe your '' Sustainer , who is Rabb , will < Yarhamakum > Show Yielding ( mercy ) on you and if you return , then We Eloheem / Anunnaqi return and We ( Eloheem ) made < Jahannam > Purgatory ' a prison for the ones who concealed what they know to be the facts


    And How Did The Pit Get There ? How Did A Big Place Of Fire Get Beneath Us ? Did God Create It Down There ? ( Why is it that scientist haven't discovered it yet being they have dug holes straight down to the center of the earth ? ) Why is it that you can't find Hell if it really is A place that exists ? Scientist have listen to the ground . They have all kinds of Advanced Technical Equipment with computers . Have they heard Cracking Fire ? No !!! Why Not ? Because Hell Is A State Of Mind . It Is What You Make It . It Exist With You , For Each One Will Pattern His Or Her Hell According To What He / She Believes Hell Is .


    They don't hear anybody down there Screaming and Hollering or any Torturing . So What Makes You Believe That There Is Some Place '' Down There '' That You Will Go If You Are A Sinner Where There Is Fire And Demons ? The Bible ? Let's Be FoReal !!! There Is Nothing In The Bible That Has Been Proven To Be Facts Yet , You Can't Even Prove That The Characters In Your Bible Really Exists , Let Alone A Place Called Hell ! The Hell That Your Preacher , Teachers , Pastors , Rabbis , Imaams , And Sheikhs Preach To You About Is Another Trick To Keep You Trapped Under Religion ,


    Revelation 19;20 ( In Aramic ) And I Quote ; And the beast was taken , And with him the lying prophet who with his hand made sign which he used to lead many into darkness , Those who took the mark of the beast and those who prostrated to his image . Both of them were cast alive into the lake of fire which is burning with Sulfur .

    Hell Isn't Down There . They Don't Hear It . And Don't Be Deceived Into Thinking That It Does . ( If Some One Comes And Says That There Is Such Thing As Hell , Tell Them To Prove It !





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    So Where Is Hell ?

    So Where Is Hell ? '' Where Is Hell ? It Exist In You , For Each One Will Pattern His Or Her Hell According To What He / She Believe Is Hell ,
    Hell Is Where Heaven Isn't . But , you have been taught all you life by Religion , that Hell is someWhere '' Down There '' And Heaven Is '' Up There '' the words they use to translate Heaven is the Aramic / Hebrew word < Shaw-Maw -Yeem Genesis 2;1 , or in Ashuric / Syriac / Arabic As < Samawaati > meaning '' Up There '' . And For Hell Where Exactly Is That '' Down There '' . They never tell you about ,


    That is the problem with Religion Catholic Refer To A Sort Of '' In - Heaven '' Place Called '' Purgatory '' Or '' Limbo '' For Souls . And Neither Of These Two Words Can Be Found In The Bible That They So Proudly Preach From . The word '' Hell '' appears in The Old Testament 21 Times , The Aramic / Hebrew word being used for Hell is Shehole meaning '' Underworld , Grave , Hell , Pit , '' In The New Testament there are three words used for '' Hell , Hades < Greek > Is the first mentioned in Matt 11;23 , And is used 11 times . According to '' '' A Critical Lexicon and Concordance to the English and Greek New Testament .

    It states and I Quote The word '' Hades '' Is A Is A Heathen Word And Comes Down To Us Surrounded With Heathen Traditions , Which Had Their Origin In Babel . And Not In The Bible And Have Reached Us Through Judaism And Romanism '' Notice That There Is No Indication Of Any Eternal Fire Burning , No Pot Of Boiling Oil , Etc , Gehenna < Greek > is found in Matt 5;22 , being used 12 Times and Is defined as '' A Place Of The Future Punishment Call ' Gehanna Or ' Gehenna Or Fire '' ' Gates Of Hell ' . Ghehenna Was originally the valley of Ghi - Hinnon , Or Hinnon . South of Jerusalem , Where the filth and dead animals of the city were cast out and burned .

    Make note that The Muslim's word for '' Hell '' Is the same as The Greek -- Gahenna , Lastly , In 2 Peters 2;4 And I Quote ; '' For If God Spared Not The Angels That Sinned , But Cast Them Down To Hell . And Delivered Them Into Chain Of Darkness To Be Reserved Unto Judgements '' .
    And The Greek Word Being Used Here Is Tartoro < Greek > meaning '' The Name Of A Subteranean Region , Doleful And Dark , '' It Is Also Described As The Deepest Abyss Of Hades And Was Regared By The Acient Greek As The Abode Of The Wicked Dead , Where They Suffer Punishment For Their Evil Deeds ; It Answers To Gehenna Of The Jews ; To Thrust Down To Tartoros .


    Its No Coincidence That The Word Tartoros Is Closely Related To The Name Of One Of The Beings Who Dwell In The Cities Within The Earth , The Teros , Also Known As The Sunaynans . As you can see . The Indication Of The Word Hell Was Originally Used For A Place Where The Dead Reside And Has Nothing To Do With Whether You Were Righteous Or Not . Also Make Not That It Says That Tartaro'o < Greek > '' Hell '' From Tartoros ( The Deepest Abyss Of Hades ) , Is A Place To Be Reserved Unto Judgment , So They Are Not In Hell , Yet . They Are In A Place Where There Overseers Are The Teros . So For Those Of You Who Believe That This Was A Fictitious Place . It All Being Confirmed .


    Here Is A Excerpt From The New Unger Bible Dictionary , Page 551 Which Explain This Hell Concept Very Clearly . ( The Bible Doctrine Of Hell Is By No Means Confined To The Terms Above Mentioned And To The Passage In Which They Appear . There Are Many Phrases In Which The Overshadowing Idea Is Presented With Great Distinctness , Such As '' Unquenchaable Fire '' Black Darkness , '' '' Furanace Of Fire , '' '' Fire And Brimstone , '' The Smoke Of Their Torment '' . The Lake Of Which Burns With Brimstone , '' Where Their Worm Does Not Die , '' '' The Eternal Fire Which Has Been Prepared For The Devil And His Angels '' Van Oosterzee Does Well To Remark ; There Is No Doubt That The Holy Scriptures Requires Us To Believe In A Properly So-Called Place Of Punishment . In Whatever Part Of God's Boundless Creation It Is To Be Sought . That The Different Images Under Which It Is Represented Cannot Possibly Be Taken Literally Will Certainly Need No Demonstration ; But It Is Perhaps Not Unnecessary To Warn Against The Opinion That We Have To Do Here With Mere Imagery . Who Shall Say That There Reality Will Not Infinitely Surpass In Awfulness The Boldest Pictures Of It ,


    The Koran mentions Hell and has Seven Different words for '' Hell '' Jahannam
    < Arabic > Koran 2;106 , Jahiym Koran 44;47 , Saqar Koran 54;48 , Sa'iyr Koran 4;10 , Haawiya Koran 101;6 , Lazaa Koran 70;15 And Hutama Koran 104;4 , And Only One Heaven Jenna Koran 2;25 , If you are '' Bad '' you have A choice of Which Hell You Can Go To ? Why Is There Only One Heaven ? Why Don't The '' Good '' People Have A Choice Of Which Heaven They Are Going To ?

    Regardless to what Hell is called , Each Religion teaches that this is The Dwelling Place of the Devil or Leviathan which is A Sea Demon . or Haylal . Shaytaan . Or whatever name you want to call him . Who is evil and Teacherous . When they say that you are going to Hell They Always Point Down . Which is A Subtle Confession that Down There , Is A Place That Exist . DOESN'T IT SOUND RIGHT TO SAY THAT THE EVIL PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE TORTURED BY GOOD BEINGS ?


    Your Preacher , Teacher , Imaam , Scholars , And Other So-Called Religious Leaders Have You Thinking That Hell Is Some Place Beneath Your Feet . Where The Devil Rules , And You Will Burn Eternally . When In Actuality Hell Is Right Here On The Planet Earth . This Is The Devil's Playground Right Here . Let's Be FoReal , If A Person Has Troubles Day And Night , That Can Be A Form Of Hell . If You Are In Bad Health And Cannot Get Or Afford The Proper Attention . That Is A Kind Of Hell . If You Are Hungry . Clothes Ragged And Living In A Society With Closed Doors To Your Well-Being And Economic Progress ;


    That Is Hell . If You Walked In The Wrong Neighborhood On The Right Night . It Will Be You Screaming When You Are Getting The '' Hell '' Beat Out Of You . That's Hell ! When Your Child Is Born With A Fatal Disease , That Is A Hell For The Parents And I Can Go On And On . I'm Sure You Can Think Of A Host Of Other Things That You Would Consider '' Going Through Hell , '' Or Something That Can '' Put You Through Hell . '' Thus , A Form Of Hell Is What You You Are Walking Around In Today , The Planet Earth .





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    Info, Moor and Issa, thanx for sharing "The Food"...Each of yall responces are on point!!




    Peace.....
     
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    Akhay Atha Antuk < Pharaoh Jahil >

    < Pharaoh Jahil > Antuk Atha Nana - You Are Welcome :toast:
     
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