Black Spirituality Religion : What Is God?

[ogoun]

If you say it may or may not help then there is a question to its relevancy. No relevance, no help' It's as simple as that.

So now you're either divining what I was thinking or you're calling me a liar.

Perhaps I should have made that questioning part about being of help more pointed? Like, being of help TO YOU. Which is here that was directed, but I chose the more neutral catch all phrasing. Though I doubt it would have mattered one way on the other as by now it's quite evident your opening question of 'what is god' was not an honest question to begin with.

And so? I am correcting your mis- statement brother about me being raised in Catholicism.. As for your beliefs regarding the roots of all spiritual beliefs, This is something that you believe and as far as I am concerned beliefs are the hopes for something to be. Hope does not authenticate the belief.

And so I made a mistake of your upbringing. You didn't qualify what sect you were raised in........did you.

And no, you don't get to once again divine and define what my beliefs entail whether it involves hope or after life or anything else.

As far as I am concerned this is no difference between the two. They are one and the same preaching the same doctrines and dogmas while fleecing the flock.

Think maybe I was also including the secular faction of this country as well?

No disputing that but that is another thread..

But you mentioned it in this thread otherwise I wouldn't have said anything bout it at all here.

I don't see it as a question of origin as it is a question of existence. When you answer the question by saying god is a metaphor/ a mystical experience and not a thing to be held, then you are saying existence is only in thought/mind and it is not stating origin. Now if you ask how did it get into the mind or imagination, the answer would have to relate to a place of origin. What and where have two distinctly different reference points.

See it any way you like.
But I will say one thing, playing semantic word games won't help in whatever it is you're seeking.

I didn't ask how does the vid relate, I said( As for the vid, I only watched a portion of the first but I still don't see the tie in to the initial question of the thread ( What Is God ?) nor any of the posts afterwards )... and after your explanation, I still don't see it.

So now we're going to weigh the differences between the words tie in, relevancy and related to. Hmmmmmm, eh, er, em, let me see. Nah they all seem pretty interchangeable to me.
Go play your semantic word games someplace else.
Or just as an after thought try finishing the vid you started, what was it maybe 10 minutes long? Golly! what a long time that is! Go ahead do it.....who knows? it may turn out to be the most important 10 minutes of your life.

But what of those who did find the vid had some TIE-IN to the opening question? What? no one else gets to discus it because you don't get it?

Nah man, there is no need to try it again.

After the tenor of your last post............I wouldn't think of it.

 

[ogoun]

One last thought for now.
A few days ago I started thinking about the search our erstwhile historian was on in the tracking of the sacraments ingested during the formation of the christian following.
I wondering if he's got it wrong.....or rather backwards. The sacraments wouldn't be given after, they would have been far more beneficial for the receiver/seeker before the sermon or thoughts were given by the 'guide'. (I think sermon might be the right word)

Please elucidate?

From what little I know of the Christian rites isn't any sacramental ceremonies given after the main sermon? Don't know. I'm pretty ignorant in the Christian rites department.
What I do know though is that any of, and particularly of the 'drugs' we're and the researcher are talking about, any of those drugs ingested will take close to 45 minutes before many if any effects are felt mentally or physically and even some of the lighter drugs won't peak before 2 or 21/2 hours after ingestion. Ingestion is the slowest climb but also can the most intense in the class of (gateway) drugs being discussed. And then even some the best smoke I've ever run across don't reach a peak until an hour and a half or even the two hour mark. But I don't think Jesus was walking around handing out blunts at any rate. But then again who knows? lol
Just playing around with an idea. Haven't really thought it through.

Here's another vid on the mysticism in conscience from the same Harvard series. Most of it is pretty dry but the last part is the best part for this discussion (hello hello semantics police) so I'll play it from there.


The entire vid can be viewed here:

 

[frankster]

If I may add my voice....

If you are referring to the universal consciousness, then I would agree and if not please elaborate cause we are definitely plugged into something.

ZIbijah said:
If you take away the programming, remove the dogma you will have mind which we all are plugged into by imagination in its divinity.

I would not think what is here being reference is Universal Consciousness...
Universal Consciousness is more akin to Salvation
Whilst deprogramming is more like Redemption.

The First Seven years of our human Life is one of us Being programmed(in a spell/mindset) to accept this Earthly reality.
This Earthly Reality is "Caesar's" World...The Race Mind, Acculturation, Worldly Values and Materiality - Maya
Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's...Means Do that which is your Duty/Responsibility in this World
To God the things that are God’s...."Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." Redeem your Godself - Your Spirit.

Romans 12:2
"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

The process of Deprogramming is Redemption and it leads to Salvation - Blessedness and Everlasting Life

I have read in Seth Speaks that we as ethereal beings have chosen this body as well as our family and life. It is said that all of these experiences have been approved and prearranged.

Yes that thought is in align with many scriptures.
Caesar's World (our family and life) - Maya...Illusions leads to Sin....Sin means Missing the mark or our Original Goals
Sin is our Worldly desires causing us to Err in the way we use our Free Will.
The things of God are....the "experiences have been approved and prearranged"....but not predestined.

Redemption and Salvation is Dogma/Doctrine promulgated by the some churches, religions and scriptures.

Yes.
These doctrine and dogmas usually has many meanings and the Churches and Religious Organization use them for Control and Manipulation.
Dogma is not for all...Profane use and meaning - Doctrine is Good... Sacred experience leads to Wisdom
To cut through the much but not all of the Illusion go to Scripture.....

This world is one of much suffrage and is a reflection of whatever created it.

It is a harsh reality that we learned best and most from our mistakes.

It is being manifested from within to without so as far as I can see there can be no redemption or salvation for something that is its natural state.

This reality is a reflection of what we think(in our heart) not what we think we think(in our mind)..."For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he"
Redemption means you now know that certain types of thoughts and behaviour leads to sin...and sin leads to death and suffering

Yes, I have read that in Corinthians II

I find it difficult to believe that all we see and do not see was spoken into existence by a God unless of course you are referring to Energy as the invisible source.

Yes energy as in a variation of Sound....Vibration.

Yes, hope can be a powerful tool or weapon if managed and directed correctly but absolutely useless if not. It just remains hope.

Hope is the evidence of things to be....for where there is hope there is a way.

The only issue with this for me is the so-called god concept. Other than that this very well may be a dream we are dreaming and none of it is real except in our minds.

God is You.
You are One focal point of Nature/God called - Man
To focus means to concentrate on a particular aspect and to exclude all other aspects...so as to delineate and define as separate that which is One Whole.

All Is Mind.....while dreaming dreams are real.

It may be as you have said if the programming and dogma is removed, what is left except the unseen world of imagination and creation.

No....what is left is Righteousness - Right Thinking and Right doing Leads to Right Being

There may exists a multitude of worlds and probabilities which we will never know in this physical realm. The possibilities are endless since anything that can be thought or imagined can be created.

Any and every possibility has happened already....You have the Free will to choose your experience - Knowingly or unknowingly.

ECCLESIASTES 1:8-10
"All things are wearisome, more than one can describe; the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear content with hearing. What has been will be again, and what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. Is there a case where one can say, “Look, this is new”? It has already existed in the ages before us.…

Is it really of our own volition or is it part of the program? This could very well be a simulated world my brother and we are made to think that we have free will.

You have Free Will, but if you are in the programme then your free will has been usurped....you are unknowingly using your free will and not getting the results you desire.
Repent of your Ways and Redeem your Power

I don't know man but there is absolutely nothing as of yet to prove or disprove it known to us. Just maybe intuitively we do know but have lost the connection with it over time. We Are Dying to Wakeup! Peace

The connection when lost is called "the Fall".
"Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you."

 

[Al D]

I would not think what is here being reference is Universal Consciousness...
Universal Consciousness is more akin to Salvation
Whilst deprogramming is more like Redemption.

The First Seven years of our human Life is one of us Being programmed(in a spell/mindset) to accept this Earthly reality.
This Earthly Reality is "Caesar's" World...The Race Mind, Acculturation, Worldly Values and Materiality - Maya
Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's...Means Do that which is your Duty/Responsibility in this World
To God the things that are God’s...."Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." Redeem your Godself - Your Spirit.

Romans 12:2
"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

The process of Deprogramming is Redemption and it leads to Salvation - Blessedness and Everlasting Life

Brother Frankster, of course your voice is welcomed man.
Now as for redemption and salvation, I would think that there would be no need for either. What I take from these two words is the implication that there is something inherently wrong with people that requires a process of forgiving and saving which I feel is also a part of the programming process. The programming never stops. Tune out in order to tune in.
To say'
"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."
If we have been created in that image then we are all those things that this so-called god is. Being asked to change that for which we by nature are puts us in constant conflict with ourselves.
As long as we are in this world we will be of this world and all that we create in it. Separation of the spirit from the physical my only come when we have ceased to occupy this earthly vessel no longer.
This world is one of perpetual suffrage and there can be no redemption or salvation for something that is in it's natural state.
It's akin to the wolf seeking forgiveness for killing and devouring the sheep because that is it's nature..

Yes that thought is in align with many scriptures.
Caesar's World (our family and life) - Maya...Illusions leads to Sin....Sin means Missing the mark or our Original Goals
Sin is our Worldly desires causing us to Err in the way we use our Free Will.
The things of God are....the "experiences have been approved and prearranged"....but not predestined.

I don't ascribe to the concept of sin only for the stigma that is attached to it. Who is to declare what is sinful and what is not.
esp. when these things are in human's nature..
Experiences may very well be prearranged and approved man, I don't know but I think that there could be a strong argument that the outcome of our experiences are pre-destined depending on the path that one has chosen. We have no inclination whatsoever of what lies ahead for us because we can't see that far, however we have hope that it will lead to a positive outcome based on the road we have traveled and what we have invested along the way.
But wouldn't that fall into the laws of compensation, cause and effect as well as the law of attraction?

Yes.
These doctrine and dogmas usually has many meanings and the Churches and Religious Organization use them for Control and Manipulation.
Dogma is not for all...Profane use and meaning - Doctrine is Good... Sacred experience leads to Wisdom
To cut through the much but not all of the Illusion go to Scripture.....

It all depends on the doctrine of beliefs brother. I don't know if sacred experience leads to wisdom or not since I haven't had one. However, I do feel that wisdom can be obtained through knowledge, understanding and experience.
Some scriptures may provide clarity in life and cut through illusion, but not all.

God is You.
You are One focal point of Nature/God called - Man
To focus means to concentrate on a particular aspect and to exclude all other aspects...so as to delineate and define as separate that which is One Whole.

All Is Mind.....while dreaming dreams are real.

Law of Divine Oneness​

The first and most foundational law of the universe is the Law of Divine Oneness, which highlights the interconnectedness of all things. It says that beyond our senses, every thought, action, and event is in some way connected to anything and everything else.
Yes, I feel that my dreams are real in that realm.

No....what is left is Righteousness - Right Thinking and Right doing Leads to Right Being

You say NO brother but how do you know this? What is righteous and what is not and here again, who makes that declaration and what makes it so?
It is said that there is no right and there is no wrong and that everything is neutral..

Law of Relativity:​

This law suggests that we are inclined to compare things in our world, but in reality, everything is neutral. Relativism exists in all things, and in the end, meaning comes down to our perspective and perception.

It may be as you have said if the programming and dogma is removed, what is left except the unseen world of imagination and creation.

Your righteousness is formed in this world of influence. Could your righteousness be an illusion?

Any and every possibility has happened already....You have the Free will to choose your experience - Knowingly or unknowingly.

ECCLESIASTES 1:8-10
"All things are wearisome, more than one can describe; the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear content with hearing. What has been will be again, and what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. Is there a case where one can say, “Look, this is new”? It has already existed in the ages before us.…

And so it is said my brother.

You have Free Will, but if you are in the programme then your free will has been usurped....you are unknowingly using your free will and not getting the results you desire.
Repent of your Ways and Redeem your Power

We may think that we have free will but do we really? We feel as though we make decisions to to take certain actions and the choice was ours. How do we know that we haven't been programmed to take that action man? Just take a moment to think about it brother, Everything about us has been designed to function without our assistance so could it be possible, just possible that we are being fed our thoughts and programmed to act based on the thoughts. We think we have free will and just maybe we don't. I mean everything else has been taken care of.

Repent also part of the program. There is nothing to repent for. We are what we are and whatever made us is our model.

The connection when lost is called "the Fall".
"Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you."

J can't say when or where or how it happened but there seems to be a disconnect.
We are what we are and that which we seek will continue in perpetuity in this realm. We need to understand what this world is and how to navigate within it until we exit this earthen vessel.

 

[Al D]

So now you're either divining what I was thinking or you're calling me a liar.

Are you a liar?

Perhaps I should have made that questioning part about being of help more pointed? Like, being of help TO YOU. Which is here that was directed, but I chose the more neutral catch all phrasing.

Perhaps you should have!

Though I doubt it would have mattered one way on the other as by now it's quite evident your opening question of 'what is god' was not an honest question to begin with.

You're entitled to your opinion. So I guess you're now divining what I'm thinking or you're calling me a liar. It's cool brother, I have been called a lot worse my man.

And so I made a mistake of your upbringing. You didn't qualify what sect you were raised in........did you.

You didn't ask either before stating it....did you?

And no, you don't get to once again divine and define what my beliefs entail whether it involves hope or after life or anything else.

Oh heck yeah I do man. When you post what you believe on my thread or any other, I have the right and opportunity to challenge that belief if I want or define what I feel beliefs represent to me which is exactly what transpired. Now, If that disturbs you then maybe you shouldn't post it.

Think maybe I was also including the secular faction of this country as well?

That's entirely up to you. Should you?

But you mentioned it in this thread otherwise I wouldn't have said anything bout it at all here.

Oh but you did which is why I responded initially.

I thought it relevant because Al D was questioning origins and he being raised in Catholicism I thought he may find it interesting.

See it any way you like.
But I will say one thing, playing semantic word games won't help in whatever it is you're seeking.

I did see it a different way which is my prerogative brother. It ain't about semantics as much as it is about you trying to fit a circle into a square and attempting to convince someone that they're the same.

So now we're going to weigh the differences between the words tie in, relevancy and related to. Hmmmmmm, eh, er, em, let me see. Nah they all seem pretty interchangeable to me.
Go play your semantic word games someplace else.

Yeah man they are interchangeable but the vid is neither relevant, related or ties in to the thread. Oh I forgot, the thread question of the thread isn't an honest one so you decided to start another one. My bad.

Or just as an after thought try finishing the vid you started, what was it maybe 10 minutes long? Golly! what a long time that is! Go ahead do it.....who knows? it may turn out to be the most important 10 minutes of your life.

Oh, I have an after thought for you my man, Why not take that vid and start a new thread of your own? It should get a heck of a lot of traction since there were so many folks here that found it interesting. Oh wait a minute, do you even post threads of your own or just try and high jack others?

After the tenor of your last post............I wouldn't think of it

Well, that's one thing that we do agree on!!!!