Black Spirituality Religion : What Is Death?

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  1. river

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    Some of us got into a discussion about our views on death and what it is. We had to cut the discussion short when class began but I thought it was the beginning of what could turn out to be an interesting thread.

    So what is death? What haapens at the point of death? Is death a being clothed in black with a sickle in its hand? Is death the end? Is death a cause for sorrow or joy? Is death a major blow to the human ego or is it a necessary step in our eternal development? How do our views about death affect the way we live? From where do we get our views about death?
     
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    The beauty about Eastern theology, such as Buddhism, Hinduism, and even ATR's, is that death is viewed in a totally different light that their Judeo-Christian counterpart(s) paint it to be,

    In Kemau there is not even a specified, dedicated word for "death".

    A transitional stage, nothing more, nothing less.

    The same thing that happens at the point of birth; the fading of one state of illusionment, as another is taken on, in preparation for the next stage of exsistence.

    LOL, is the tooth fair a white woman with a magic wand in her hand?

    Yes. ;)

    Yes.

    In speaking again of the comparative view of death from the Eastern and Western schools of thinking, we find that the latter teaches us to be in perpetual fear of death. This is not coincidental, considering the fact that this particular school also teaches us to fear all sorts of other things (knowledge being the most pertinent), in which death itself prepares us for.

    The Eastern school, by contrast teaches us a more fear-free, and spiritually uninhibited view of death, which in turn spills over into other facets of thinking.

    In short, if one is not fearful of death, which symbolizes the ultimate Life Change, then one would be all the more prepared for the other, more mundane changes that take place within this exsistence.

    As above, so below.

    HOTEPET.
     
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    Peace,

    If our open enemy cries when one "dies".............It means that one's physical frame returning to the Earth as the spirit ascends too another plane is really a cause for celebration!!

    :shades:
     
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    everybody wants to go to heaven but nobody wants to die

    when i pass I'll come back and explain it all to U........ :angel1:
     
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    Death is only the begining of new life*

    Hotep

    Every one reading this will die...with out exception...no matter how much one prays, fasts, work out or take good care of them self. A physical end is inevitable for every one...no matter who you are...you must die and you will die...in fact you are dying now...called the ageing process.
    Every one who is born had just closed their eyes on another life before opening their eyes on this life. "Life comes from life".
    We are our ancestors and our children are us. The ancestors are the past, present and future...we are "One"...if we only knew.
    Now this bring us to the major subject of "Life and Deah"..."Why do we allow some one else to control our disteny"? Why don't we stand up and prefer death before we allow ourself to be oppressed by others??? Why are we afraid of death when we are all going to transform through death anyway??
    It is our duty to create a future for our (selves) children by establishing "Liberation" Now!! The bottom line is this: What we don't establish now in this life such as compleat and absolute salvation for our selves...we will have to do it later in the so-called future through our future selves called by the name of "Our Children"..........Why wait??

    Ase`
     
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    Concept of death and Jesus on the cross

    river;

    Concept of death and Jesus on the cross

    One of you asked Me about the significance of cross in Christianity. Some scholars have interpreted it to the striking of I, which represents the egoism. It is a good interpretation but it does not speak about the significance of Jesus present on the cross in the process of crucification. Therefore, if you consider both the cross and Jesus on it, there is more important significance, which represents the death of Jesus. In the death the soul leaves this external human body. It indicates that one day or other you have to leave your body and everything and everybody associated with the body.

    Therefore, the concept of death is the most sacred spiritual preacher, which preaches about the non-eternal bonds with your relations and related things in this world. Thus, death is the most pious concept and one should not fear for it. You should not fear for your spiritual preacher who is the most sacred and pious. You must give your utmost attention to this most pious spiritual preacher, the concept of death. When Nachiketa asked his father about the donation of himself, his father told that he would be donated to the God of death called Yama. Infact, Nachiketa received the best spiritual knowledge from Yama as you find in Veda. Everybody knows that death is inevitable. But such is only knowledge. By Knowledge one just knows. This is not sufficient unless the knowledge is often memorised, which leads to realization. Thus, knowledge, memorization and realization are the three steps after which only practice comes as said in Veda (Srotavyo….).

    Due to the absence of the other two steps, in practice the human being is behaving as if these worldly bonds are eternal. Unless these bonds are cut, liberation or salvation is impossible. Without liberation attainment of God is subsequently not possible. When you are bound to certain things, how can you achieve other things? The attachment to the Lord is unable to give the salvation from these bonds because the attachment to the Lord is not strong. Unless you realise the nature of these bonds, you cannot get salvation from these bonds. The nature of these bonds is best exposed by the concept of death. Thus, when you are constantly looking at the cross with Jesus on it in the process of crucification, then you realise the nature of these bonds continuously. Such continuous realization leads to continuous practice. Practise alone can give the result. Thus, the cross with Jesus in the phase of death is having the greatest spiritual significance in giving you the liberation. Unless you derive the concept from the statue of Jesus on cross, such statue becomes useless, if it is conceived only in the sense of the death of Jesus.

    Jesus himself advises the people not to weep on His death, but they should weep about themselves. This means that the physical sense of crucification should not be taken. If you take the internal significance; it will be useful for your spiritual development. Thus, when you are worshiping the idols, the concepts for which the idols stand should be realised. The constant attention on the idol is also necessary so that the concept is memorised again and again. It is for this purpose, the idol worship is introduced. Therefore, one should not mock at the idol worship. Christians wear cross with Jesus on it in the chain around the neck. The church also shows the same. Such photos are in the houses. All this is the idol worship. I do not know why they criticize the idol worship and follow the same in practice. The Christian scriptures criticize the idol worship. The point in such criticism is that mere worship of idols without realizing the concepts for which those idols were created is useless. From this angle idol worship is to be criticized. Thus, you have both positive and negative angles for any point based on the context. Thus, we know the concept of death but we have not realized it. Therefore, we do not remember the concept. Our continuous impression is only about the life, which we are constantly experiencing. Hence, our feeling was that we lived in the past, we are living in the present and we will live forever in the future. Due to this we feel that these bonds are eternal and that this world is also eternal. It is said that spiritual knowledge is to be obtained from Lord Siva (Jnanam Mahesvarat..). Lord Siva is famous for destroying the world.

    Thus, when we remember Siva, we must remember that this world is not eternal. Siva lives in burial ground. This again signifies that any individual has to meet the death. Therefore, Siva preaches you that both this world and your body are not eternal. Yama, the deity of death preached spiritual knowledge to Nachiketa, which means that the concept of death gives you real spiritual knowledge. The brother of Yama, Sani (Saturn) is the source of all problems and troubles. Astrology says that the planet Sani is the source of spiritual knowledge (Jnana karaka..). Again this means that troubles only make you active by which you will think about God. Thus, Sani and Yama, the brothers, are the source of problems and death give you spiritual knowledge. The pleasures will make you inactive, egoistic and inert.

    Kunti asked Krishna for constant troubles only. The very word Siva means auspicious or most pious. This again means that his work of the destruction of world and his burial ground indicate the temporary existence of world and body. Such realization is most sacred. Therefore, the very meaning of the word Siva is that is most sacred spiritual preacher. Yama and Sani are said to be born to the Sun. Sun represents intelligence and light of knowledge, which removes the dark ignorance. This again indicates that the concepts of problems and death are the products of the real intellectual spiritual knowledge.

    At Thy Lotus Feet

    Anil Antony
     
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    Death is the loss of life. But also, it is that which is bound to sin. Sin brings forth death, but repentance and faith releases one from it's binds, so that, though your carnal body may still die, your spirit is now free to live.

    What happens is your spirit leaves the carnal and is visited.

    Never having seen Death, I couldn't say for certain Death isn't that way.

    Only if it be the second death.

    Death always brings sorrow, because it is departure; such as one loved moving to a far away land. But for the faithful, we have happiness even still, because that land is our home that we might not be sojourners anymore. We're happy for one another, and happy for ourselves.

    It's only a major blow to people's ego who believe somehow they can make themselves last forever through passing actions or superficial works.

    For me, it's not my view on death that affects the way I live, but it is my faith that clears my views on death, and my faith helps the way I live. Others, however, may live more fearful or fearless depending on how they see death.

    Everyone gets their views from wherever they believe is true. Some from their parents, some their city, some from strangers, some their faith, some their own conclusions, and so on. Rarely do people share the same views on death.
     
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