Black Spirituality Religion : WHAT is a Jew? THAT is the Question...

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    The question causing much consternation in Jewish communities throughout the world is: Who is a Jew? According to Jewish rabbinical law, if the mother is Jewish, then her offspring are considered Jewish, irrespective of the race or nationality of the father. But if the father is Jewish and the mother is not, the offspring are not considered Jewish...

    Much of the American Jewish community is at odds with the Israelis (i.e., Jews born in Israel) over this question. But I submit to you that there is a far greater question, one that – when researched – will surprise many people. That question is: WHAT is a Jew?

    Within the composition of the human race are five distinct classifications, namely: (1) the black race (Africans, African-Americans, and people the world over of African descent), (2) the brown race (Arabs, Asian Indians, Iranians, Pakistanis, and most Hispanics, i.e., Spaniards, Portuguese, Chicanos and Latinos), (3) the red race (North and South American Indians, Eskimos), (4) the yellow race (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese), and (5) the white race, or Caucasoids - people of European descent...

    Then there are the Jews, who are a mixture of ALL the races, and therefore a hybrid people that cannot be classified as a race...

    This is the reason why the actual origin of the Jews is unknown, even to this day. The noted 19th-century theosophist Helena P. Blavatsky, in her famous book, Isis Unveiled, states the following:

    “To the present moment, in spite of all controversies and researches, history and science remains as much as ever in the dark as to the origin of the Jews. They may be as well the exiled Tchandalas of old India...or the ‘bricklayers’ mentioned by Manu as the Phoenicians of Herodotus...or the Hyksos of Josephus...or the descendants of the Pali shepherds... or a mixture of all of these. The Bible names the Tyrians as a kindred people and claims dominion over them. Yet whatever they may have been, they became a hybrid people not long after Moses, as the Bible shows them freely intermarrying not only with the Canaanites, but with every other nation or race they came in contact with.” (H.P. Blavatsky, Isis Unveiled, vol. II, pp. 438-439)

    Mme. Blavatsky’s statement further corroborates the little-known fact that the Jews are not a race, but a people. As Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat once said when asked what is a Jew: “A Jew is a citizen of the country he lives in.”

    Because the Jew is hybrid, an interesting analogy can be made using two members of the canine family as examples: the mongrel and the pedigree. The Jew can be likened to the mongrel, i.e., we know the mongrel has parents, but who were they and where are they? This is not so with the pedigree, for there exists certified registered papers showing whom each canine was sired by...

    The word “Jew” and the people called “Jews” came into existence circa 1700 BC, and although most Christians and Jews will find this shocking, the fact is, the Biblical patriarch Abraham was not a Jew. He was Chaldean by birth, emanating from the city of Ur in Chaldea, according to the Biblical record, in the year 1917 B.C. His son Isaac and his grandson Jacob were not Jews, neither were the sons of Jacob (Reuben, Shimeon and Levi). The fourth son of Jacob was Judah, born in the year 1753 BC, and his descendants were called “Jews,” an abbreviated and corrupt form of the Hebrew “Yahudim.”

    Hebrew is the language of the Jewish people. There is no such thing as a Hebrew race or Hebrew people. The word itself is derived from the name “Eber,” the great-grandson of Shem, who was the son of Noah. When Abraham and his followers left the city of Ur in Chaldea and crossed the Euphrates River on their way to the land of Canaan (Gen. 12:5), he and his people were called “Eberus,” in order to distinguish them from the Chaldeans and Israelites who stayed in Babylon...

    The word “Eber” translates “the region beyond,” and Abraham and the descendants of Eber, Noah’s great-great grandson, used the names “Ebers” and “Eberus.” Through incorrect transliteration by some Biblical translators, Abraham the Eberu became Abraham the "Hebrew" (Gen. 14:13), a name by which some Jews are even called today. But to reiterate, Hebrew is the language of the Jewish people...

    So, in essence, the Jews are the first of the mixed people, whose original ancestors were the descendants of Judah, the fourth son of Jacob, whose descendants presently illegally occupy the homeland of the Palestinian people, which is the Arab country of Palestine...
     
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    Jews are a mixture of ALL the races, and therefore a hybrid people that cannot be classified as a race...

    Hybrid people (e.g., the Jews) have no such thing as a pure language. Their ideas and language - like their blood - is badly mixed up, confusing, and unsatisfactory insofar as the real meaning of words are concerned...

    (The original Christian Bible was written in Hebrew, the language of the Jewish people.)
     
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    According to Jewish rabbinical law, if the mother is Jewish, then her offspring are considered Jewish, irrespective of the race or nationality of the father. But if the father is Jewish and the mother is not, the offspring are not considered Jewish...
     
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    When the Jews tried to establish their own state in their ancient “homeland” (though it wasn’t their home because they didn’t live there), Palestine consisted of a few different religious/cultural groups, including a few Jews, but at least two thirds of the population was Arabs. Besides, no matter how many were there, you just can’t torture and kill people and kick them off the land because you want it...

    Jewish claims to this land are based on the Biblical promise to Abraham and his descendants, on the fact that this was the historical site of the Jewish kingdom of Israel (which was destroyed by the Roman Empire), and on Jewish peoples’ need for a haven from European anti-Semitism..
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    Palestinian Arabs’ claims to the land are based on continuous residence in the country for hundreds of years and the fact that they represented the demographic majority. They reject the notion that a Biblical-era kingdom constitutes the basis for a valid modern claim.

    If Arabs engage the Biblical argument at all, they maintain that since Abraham’s son Ishmael is the forefather of the Arabs, then God’s promise of the land to the children of Abraham includes Arabs as well. They do not believe that they should forfeit their land to compensate Jews for Europe’s crimes against them.
     
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    What is a Jew?

    There is no such thing as a Jewish race. Jewishness is a faith, not a race. According to Alfred M Lilenthal, the Jewish writer and researcher, said: "There is no reputable anthropologist who will not agree that Jewish racialism is as much poppy**** as Aryan racialism....Anthropological science divides mankind into three recognised races: Negro, Mongolian and Oriental, and Caucasian or white....Members of the Jewish faith are found in all three races and subdivisions.

    Most people who call themselves Jewish today have no genetic connection whatsoever to the land they call Israel. Jewish writer Arthur Koestler have exposed, all except a small minority of people who created and populated the State of Israel, originate genetically in southern Russia, not Israel. The hooked nose which is considered so 'Jewish' is a genetic trait of southern Russia and the Caucasus, not Israel.

    In 740 AD, a people called the Khazars had a mass conversion to Judaism. Koestler writes: "The Khazars came not from Jordan, but from the Volga, not from Canaan, but from the Caucasus. Genetically they are more related to the Hun, Uigar and the Magyar than the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The story of teh Khazar Empire, as it slowly emerges from the past, begins to look like the most cruel hoax that history has ever perpetrated."
     
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    Aqil,

    Question? Are you an American? One wonders why you don't spend more time trying to get Americans from illegally occupying this land that they stole from the Indians.

    There is no question that this is Indian land. There is no question that Americans are illegally occupying this land and are not from here.

    I think you got a chance of being more successful at convincing the Americans to leave, than you will convincing the Jews to leave.

    Simple fact is, Jews have no place to go. Americans do have other places to go [Europe and Africa].

    As the bible says: their eyes and tongues will melt out of their face while they are still standing.

    In case you don't understand the nuclear weapons, that is a perfect description of what happens when a nuclear bomb is dropped, the fire and heat are so intense and hit you so quickly, that your tonque and eyes melt out of your face, before you have a chance to drop to the ground.

    Israel is going to drop the big bomb on their neighbors long before she will allow anyone to force her off of her land and back into the murderous hands of the Europeans again.
     
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    Naive question: Israel has "weapons of mass destruction"?
     
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    Yes.

    "One wonders?" Who you?

    You'd have a tough time trying to convince American people and the American government of that...

    Americans in this country are not the issue.

    There are 13 million Jews in the world...and they live all over the world. A Jew is a citizen of the country he lives in...

    Can you direct me to this scripture? I cannot relate it to today's nuclear weapons...

    It's not her land, CrunchyStuff, she stole it...
     
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    NNqueen,

    Yes, Israel does have nuclear weapons and all kinds of other weapons of mass destruction. The UN finally declared Israel a nuclear power in the year 2000. However it has been well known that they have had nuclear weapons, biological and chemical weapons for decades. Just like America and all of Europe and Russia and China.

    Aqil,

    You say that I would have a tough time trying to convince Americans and the American people that they were in this land illegally? So that is your plan? You think it is tough to convince a people who have only been in this land for 400 to 600 years that they should give it back.

    But some how you think you are going to convince Jews who have been in the land of Israel for 6000 years, and a land that is in their Holy Book, that it is somebody elses land?

    Here is the scripture you asked for that shows the damage that we now know is caused by nuclear weapons.

    Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

    Aqil,

    The Bible does not say Israel stole it. It says that God WHO OWNS ALL THE EARTH, gave it to Israel.

    By the way: The Brittish DID STEAL this land from Indians 400 years ago and then gave it to the newly fored country of America, 200 years ago.

    An American trying to tell Israel to give back some land, while they sit in stolen land, is kinda of funny.
     
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    When the Jews tried to establish their own state in their ancient “homeland” (though it wasn’t their home because they didn’t live there), Palestine consisted of a few different religious/cultural groups, including a few Jews, but at least two thirds of the population was Arabs. Besides, no matter how many were there, you just can’t torture and kill people and kick them off the land because you want it...

    Jewish claims to this land are based on the Biblical promise to Abraham and his descendants, on the fact that this was the historical site of the Jewish kingdom of Israel (which was destroyed by the Roman Empire), and on Jewish peoples’ need for a haven from European anti-Semitism..
    .

    Palestinian Arabs’ claims to the land are based on continuous residence in the country for hundreds of years and the fact that they represented the demographic majority. They reject the notion that a Biblical-era kingdom constitutes the basis for a valid modern claim.

    If Arabs engage the Biblical argument at all, they maintain that since Abraham’s son Ishmael is the forefather of the Arabs, then God’s promise of the land to the children of Abraham includes Arabs as well. They do not believe that they should forfeit their land to compensate Jews for Europe’s crimes against them...
     
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