Black People : We do not live in a Democracy, We live in a Republic.

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  1. Chevron Dove

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    We do not live in a Democracy. We live in a Republic.

    Here are a few more choice quotes on voting:

    "If voting made a difference, it would be illegal."

    "Voters decide nothing; people who count votes decide everything." --Joseph Stalin

    "Political cunning ever sings the praise of the mass: the poor majority, the outraged, the abused, the giant majority,…I know as well as our vote-baiters. But I insist that not a handful of parasites, but the mass itself is responsible for this horrible state of affairs. It clings to its masters, loves the whip, and is the first to cry Crucify! …Yet how long would authority and private property exist, if not for the willingness of the mass to become soldiers, policemen, jailers, and hangmen..." --Emma Goldman, 1917
    http://www.ram.org/ramblings/philosophy/whynotvote.html
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    My feelings are that the voting process violates human rights because it has become a form of bullying. And yes, that’s true to America‘s beginnings and so on and so forth. This is how it began, by force.

    I've come to realize that long before the vote, our human rights were being violated and for this country to now push that if you don't vote, you will lose your human rights [which is basically the undertone that many blacks don't grasp, IMO], this is worse. We should not have to vote for this country to apply there written Constitution. It's a total trick. However, I so respect our ancestors who fought for the right to vote because that is what they believed they were doing for the benefit of us today. The sad reality though is that to be harassed about putting your name down beside an imperfect politician is signing your life over to 'whatever happens good or bad' and it's the bad done to others in wars and etc. that makes voting flawed. To say to an African American descendant of slaves that if you don’t vote you don’t have a voice is a human right violation. Our human rights should not be dictated by the vote instituted in 1776 but by the mere fact that this foreign government’s very human rights are tied to their claims in their Constitution anyway. Human rights are supposed to be guaranteed. So when you vote, as an African American, in essence, you are actually giving up your free choice and putting it in the hands of someone else and your fate will be determined on that basis.

    We don’t live in a Democracy. We live in a Republic of which is defined as a Democracy. Long before we were even allowed to be educated and long before the vote was implemented this country deliberately opened the flood gates in New York to let in certain people while selectively closing the borders to those they did not want to come here. Then they changed the government. That is the meaning of republic. They changed the public to consist of the kind of people who would vote in their favor--always. This form of government was formed thousands of years ago even before the Athenian Greek times.

    All in all, I believe that there are other ways to put forth pleas to the government other than this two-party ballot process. We can come together in some other way. African American people in the past have made great accomplishments when they came together for a cause and there should be no reason why we can’t recognize that we still have that ability. We keep allowing this government to give us candidates instead of looking at the process in the way great men such as Dr. Martin Luther King and Malcolm X evolved to the forefront. If they give us a candidate to vote for and we become flattered by their supposed acknowledgement of our presence, then we will continue to stay under their control but if we look with in our own society, the power is already amongst us and this is the reason why the white man and woman keeps giving us ‘their choice candidates’…Think about it. They don’t want no more Malcolms, no more Martins…No more Jesuses… to make them look like race haters. Some of us will never see the trick though but no matter. History and human nature dictates that the victory is still ours to come; for some of us anyway. Hold fast till the end. PUSH.
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    Here are a few more choice quotes on voting:

    Anarchism is founded on the observation that since few men are wise enough to rule themselves, even fewer are wise enough to rule others. --Edward Abbey

    "…it is to be considered that, without his consent having even been asked a man finds himself environed by a government that he cannot resist; a government that forces him to pay money, render service, and forego the exercise of many of his natural rights, under peril of weighty punishments. He sees, too, that other men practice this tyranny over him by the use of the ballot…

    …His case is analogous to that of a man who has been forced into battle, where he must either kill others, or be killed himself. Because, to save his own life in battle, a man takes the lives of his opponents,…Neither in contests with the ballot -- which is a mere substitute for a bullet -- …a man uses a ballot, is it to be inferred that the contest is one into which he voluntarily entered; that he voluntarily set up all his own natural rights, as a stake against those of others, to be lost or won by the mere power of numbers…" --Lysander Spooner

    Why you should not vote

    …This is for people who believe in a pure (100%) democracy.

    I don't believe our current government is "by the people, of the people, and for the people." Our government, looking at it very generously, is by the people through their elected representatives, of the elected representatives, and it is for people according to what the elected representatives think the people want." "Elected representative" translates to "politician" in this day and age. At this point, I shouldn't have to say more about the American political system, i.e., it should all be self-evident. But I will…
    http://www.ram.org/ramblings/philosophy/whynotvote.html
     
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    Great thread topic Chevron,

    Actually, the two are inseparable and overlap…We were told in the Pledge of Alligence that America is a Republic:

    I pledge allegiance to my Flag,
    and to the Republic for which it stands:
    one Nation indivisible,
    With Liberty and Justice for all.


    However, in order to have a Republic there must be Democracy.

     
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    :fyi:...we currently live in a plutocracy......rule by the rich
     
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    Or, better yet: a plutarchy.

    http://www.beplutocracy.com/

     
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    Thank you for the Thank You bro. jamesfrmphillly, they are certainly hard to come by:)

     
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    so you feel Fannie Lou Hamer, Kwame Ture' and malcolm X were fools?
    for encouraging the Black community to vote?

    and where there any Black people qouted in the above article.

    IMHO it is in the interst of the white supremacist corporate oligarchy that Black folks become complacent about politics

    One has to ask


    do we serve the concerns of our egos or the concerns of the brothers and sisters we speak to in our communities?

    My question and just a simple qestion is


    what does the term democracy mean to you and what does the term republic mean to you?
     
  7. Ankhur

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    Charles Barron is not rich, andi voted for him today and the Freedom Party

    alot of folks are sick of me talking about, the last chapter of Malcolm's autobiography, but hesitated in the 60s that we should have 10 BILLION DOLLAR lobbying concern in Washngton t adress a Black political agenda

    now looking at the cost of living today, that same 10 billion, would be how much?

    The fact that the Freedom party can blow up into something Big , by refusing corporate funds,
    is validated by the observation that Connecticut has accomplished a great deal with independant candidated that depended on public funding only, and no bundles either.

    A trllion dollars and communication technologies that Fannie lou Hamer and Kwame Ture never had

    what is there to stop us from using both methodologies or our agenda and needs, not much difference in the hell folks are catching in Phille form the hell folks are catching in Bed Stuy, newark or Chitown, we have common national concerns there fore a common apporach on at least 5 major issues would create a serious and powerful voting Black bloc, voting as well as lobbying.
     
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    For the record...I think Chevron makes an excellent point:

    As this thread demonstrates such force: http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66636

     
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    FWIW

    :geek:....them that do not vote do not count
     
  10. Ankhur

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    Didn't Malcolm say a ballet is like a bullet?


    and what did he say about letting bullies beat Fannie Lou Hamer practicaly to death and allow dogs to be siked on our women and do nothing about it?

    she went through all that to have folks talk about their personal feelings that black people shouldn't be voting, 50 years after and after we have elected Black president?



    he said in order to have a dialogue we need to learn to speak the man's language, and folks have the right to say what they want about voting but

    bust the move, while we got folks telling us dont vote every other ethnic group is packing the polls
     
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