Egypt : Was West Africa populated by Egyptians?

[river]

Sister River,

Thanks for your contribution. Eventhough, I have grown from my vigilantism which prompted me to initially start this thread to a more balanced take, I still harbour essentially the same sentiments - which were to spark conversation and discussion of other areas outside of Egypt. Africa is more than Egypt; it has always been and continues to be to this day. I believe we have an obsession with Egypt and I think this is, in part, due to the emphasis that Europeans place on that part of Africa.

Yes, I said it and I will say it again...

I believe it is due to our own indocrination into the value system of White Supremacy that informs our preoccupation with all things Egypt.

Thus, what I saw and still see is not an ignorance of, but an aversion to non-Egyptian parts of Africa. When we discuss other areas of Africa, oftimes we discuss it in relation to Egypt - whether it be Egyptian migrants or Egyptian influences. We sanitize non-Egypt Africa with Egyptian cross-references.

At one point, I wanted to show that West African people could stand on their own and did not necessarily need "civilizing elements" or "migrations" from a "higher civilization" to achieve the opulence and magnificence that the area is known for. I wanted to suggest the possibility and probability that West Africa could have been civilized by autochthonous inhabitants with relative minimal influence from Nilotic migrants. Also, if anything, I wanted to suggest that perhaps these people, both those congregated around the Niger and Nile riverplains, could have possibly emerged from the same well-spring that radiated outwardly from a Holocene Saharan region and timeframe. Thus, that the many similiarities seen between the regions could have hinted to a shared origin in another African locale before the dawn of dynastic Kmt. Which I think is highly plausible.

This was a notion first firmly planted in my mind by Dr. Charles Finch in his work "Star of Deep Beginnings", Wayne Chandler's brief discussion of the African Aqualithic in the work "Ancient Future", the article on Proto-Saharans by Clyde Winters and the physical discovery of child mummy in Libya.

This is what my initial rant was hinting at, although at the time I was just frustrated and it came out as if I was disavowing Egypt. Such is not the case. I accept Egypt or Kmt, if you will, as a civilization germinated, cultivated and disseminated by African people - Black African people. I accept Egypt as part of the historical record of Black people on the African continent. However, I just disagree with the fanaticism we have when it comes to this African land.

Between the years of 1993-2000, I was an Egyptophile. I recall being upset in my African History class when my Ghanaian professor did not discuss the relationship of his native Akan culture to ancient Kmt. I thought he was a self-hating negro or a colonized African ignorant of his own history because he never once mention Egypt in any of the oral traditions and cultural mementos of his people. This was a graduate level class at an HBCU. I first read Diop's works in the early 1990's, gobbling up every word as exact gospel. Chancellor Williams was highly recommended by my mentor in my African History study group and I read through his book several times. These men, along with a few others, fed my mind and I am the more thankful - showed me the Black African reality of Kmt and challenged those old notions of a "Semitic or Asiatic origin" imparted to me by Encyclopedia Brittanica and old sixth grade history books; however, for me, I think the most influential work that I came across was Yurugu by Marimba Ani. Yurugu forced me to challenge alot of thoughts I still held at the time. It showed me just how pervasive the European value system is on the way we as Black folks ascribe value.

We are in dire need to learn the antiquity and historical record of other areas of Africa in the same amount of detail that we learn about Kmt. Woe is the man that can know and use both his hands but conveniently disavows or feigns ignorance of one for preference of the other.

This is totally on point brotha Blackbird. There are two things going on.

One that whites deny we had anything to do with the cats who built the pyramids makes us defensive of that part of our heritage to the exclusion of other parts.

Two, we have been programmed to devalue the so-called subsaharan regions of Africa and our preoccupation with Kmt makes it easy to ignore the fact that we have bought into this programming.

But like you say we have two hands and balance is of the essence. It is a law of the mind as well as of physics that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction so we swing from one extreme to the other until we realize that these two opposing forces work together like the opposing blades in a pair of scissors pushing us to the cutting edge in the center.

 

[awo dino]

"As long as the guardians of Egyptian and African Biblical archeological history remains in the hands of its enemies, the perpetuation of the lies, unending speculations and myths to support the current hegemonic world system will continue to plague and mis-inform the world.

The recent DNA testing on the mummified remains of King Tut by Dr Zahi Hawass, (aka Big Zee), secretary-general of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities (SCA), is a case in point. Hawass, who acts as the sole tyrannical guardian overseeing Egypt’s antiquities, has revealed from these DNA results all of the diseases and other malformations suffered by the young king. However, he has categorically refused to released any results about Tut’s hapolgroup, that would easily reveal his racial and ethnic identity, which we already know is African.

Hawass, a Muslim and Arab nationalist, is determined to convince the world that White Arabs are the legitimate heirs to ancient Egyptian civilization, to the point of omitting and even fabricating evidence. Notice the photo of Queen Tiye, King Tut’s mother. Hurridly draped behind her head is what appears to be a cheap Korean made wig which he probably obtained from Wal-mart, to render the impression that she was anything but Black and African..."

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[ChosenSeed]

Kmt has such an importance today due to freemasonry. When you deal with continental Africans they are not concerned with Kmt history. Kmt came into increased importance when Napolean created the field of Egyptology. Before that, Kmt was buried in the sands and not desecrated.

 

[Angel Wings]

Here's the reason for this thread. Simple and plain. I see a preponderance of talk centering on Kmt but very little discussion about other areas of Africa. We always somehow speak about other African people only in their relation to Kmt as if they, in their own uniqueness, are irrelevant for serious consideration.

I believe we shy away from speaking about individual cultures in the rest of Africa because we believe they are non-noteworthy or inferior to the greatness that was Kmt. I had one elder tell me that "Kmt represented the height of African civilization". Says who, I asked? He could not tell me one thing about Yoruba or any other African group unless he was making correspondences back to Kmt. Regardless if you believe West Africans originated in Egypt or not, West Africans have had over a thousand years of independent history. Are we to just disregard their own distinctive story or ethnic ingenuity to only highlight a civilization that had it's final death blow in circa 600 ACE?

Is Egypt the only part of Africa worth mentioning?

We talk about Ausar, Auset, Heru, Set, and the whole, but never speak as passionately about Mawu-Lisa, Zarabanda, Sakpata, etc. We speak about Ma'at but never about the mojo bag.

Blackbird

100% AGREE WITH YOUR POST, I COULDNT HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF!!

 

[ru2religious]

West African Populations from Egypt

This video answers question that were had based on the idea of West Africa being populated from Africa. There are West African Nations that come from Km.t many moons ago.

Here is an African historian that gives you knowledge about the Lebou-Wolof of Senegal Gambia.



You will notice a section in here where he speaks about the redheads that lived there or came there as well - they were foreigners - from Africa who usually based there hair in red clay or dyed their hair. The redheads were part of the Lebou stock who had red hair. Please note when they spoke of ethnic groups they were not talking about skin color but different ethnic groups in black Africa.

There are many villages and nations in West Africa have their origins from Egypt - especially in Angola and Kongo which linguistically the word Kongo and Kamet or actually the same. These associations can be found in the Akan of Ghana and many other West African nations. The people of West Africa has always been but there are East Africans who migrated their during the rein of the Egyptian Empires and Nubia aka Sudan/Ethiopia.

Kongo is modern day Km.t


Peace


Ru2religious