Brother AACOOLDRE : Was U.S aware of the Bombs ?

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    AACOOLDRE Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    I would like to express some of my concerns about the tragic incidents that took place on Sept 11.

    I would like to know why we were paying billions on top of billions of dollars to the CIA and FBI and they have said that it never came to their minds that terrorist would use a commercial airplanes as bombs. White House press secretary Mr. Fleischer stated on Sept 12: “Something yesterday took place in New York that was not foreseen” If they admit they knew of a scenario like the events of Sept 11 was plausible, the American trust in law enforcement would erode to the level it has in the African-American community. On the other hand if they claim ignorance, (which I don’t buy), they can bank on escaping the wrath of public opinion. Ignorance on this type of level warrants the voluntary resignations of several department heads. But, Nevertheless there will be no quitting or firings because this would have a negative impact and reflection on our leadership during a time of war. But it’s still unacceptable to me that the FBI didn’t have in their training manuals or memorandum talking about suicide bombers using cars, airplanes to cause mass destruction. If Islamic fundamentalist where using suicide car bombs in Israel every other day why didn’t we calculate. The only reason they haven’t hijack a plane in Israel is primarily due to the diligent task placing armed guards on the plane since the 1970’s. (At the time of rewriting this article a Russian not Israeli plane left Israel, apparently blew up) The FBI needs to stop wasting money spying on political dissidents who pose no threat and channel their bugs and eavesdropping devises to those who desire to destroy America. I think the CIA/FBI should start reading some of Tom Clancy books who unlike Fleischer had the creative imagination lacking in our agents to write in “Executive Orders” a scene of a plane blowing up the WTC. Our FBI agents need this type of creative imaginations. I have been told in the past that Tom Clancy receives unofficial classified information to help write his fiction novels. Mr. Clancy denied this allegation on Oct 4th on Good mourning America. But Mr. Clancy has some type of access. For example on the paperback book of Red Storm Rising Tom Clancy took a picture on military ship. And on the back cover of this same book it states: “Tom Clancy has lectured at the Central Intelligence Agency, conferred with the White House staff, and has been consulted by international intelligence experts”.

    According to a Time magazine Oct 1st edited by Evan Thomas terrorist planning to use planes as bombs weren’t nothing new. Thomas states: “In December 1994, the Armed Islamic Group (GIA), an Algerian-based terrorist band that would go on to play a promininent role in bin laden’s global army, hijacked an Air france Airbus with 171 passengers aboard. The plan: to plunge into the Eiffel tower. The problem: none of the hijackers could fly…it was not too long afterward that the first terrorists began quietly enrolling in flight schools in Florida”. So I think it’s a case of lying or not remembering the past on the part of our government. Thomas thought it was a case of having no imagination. Thomas states in the same article: the inability of the government to even guess that 19 suicidal terrorist might turn four jetliners into guided missiles …it was a failure of imagination”. Well said.

    There’s an old saying that suffering will make you wise and prudent. America has the opportunity to show the world how civilize we are by bring Bin Laden to a court of justice, helping the innocent Afghanistan refugees eat more than a bowl of wheat and simultaneously helping the family members of the deceased with whatever needs they so require. I think that former president Clinton idea of setting up a scholarship fund for the children was very good one. I believe America needs to shift back to Jimmy Carters program of connecting Foreign policy with human rights. America’s image needs to be transformed into that of a square dealing peacemaker and humanitarian, not that of a bullying Global Cop. This doesn’t mean we can’t go after terrorist with the up most zeal. If there was ever a man who deserved the death penalty it’s Tim and Bin.

    I know that we are highly upset at the events of Sept 11, I know I was. We want Blood. But we must proceed with caution or run the risk of falling into the trap of Bin. The threats and the discriminatory treatment Arab-American are facing now is exactly what Bin wants us to do. We need to start a counterintelligence program. For every anti-American video Bin puts out to his followers we need to out match him by exporting our movies and books and telling them what the U.S is really like. A nation with flaws but for the vast majority of the time functions and gets along with toleration of diverse religions and political persuasions. America is the best place to live in the world and everybody should know why.

    Andre Austin
  2. Lawrence

    Lawrence Member MEMBER

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    They Government Knew. Many Did...

    Trade Center warning baffles police
    An ‘urban myth’ turns out to be true - but what does it mean?By Jonathan Alter [email protected] SPECIAL TO MSNBC
    NEW YORK, Oct. 12 - I went to Brooklyn this week in search of an “urban myth” about the World Trade Center attacks. What I came back with was no longer a myth - it was cold, chilling fact. But it didn’t clear anything up for me; that the “myth” was true only made matters murkier. Was word of the attacks on the street: beforehand? I wanted to find out.The story I was looking for had circulated less widely and in more general form. It recounted the story of a kid who bragged around school before the attacks that the World Trade Center was going to be destroyed. On October 11, an aggressive young reporter for The JournalNews of Westchester, N.Y. - Jeffrey Scott Shapiro - published a article that tracked the story down to New Utrecht High School in Brooklyn. Shapiro identified a teacher who witnessed a freshman in her class saying: “Do you see those two buildings? They won’t be standing there next week.”

    On September 6 - five days before the attack - Antoinette DiLorenzo, who teaches English as a second language to a class of Pakistani immigrants, led a class discussion about world events. She asked a freshman (his name has been withheld): “What are you looking at?” The youth was peering out the third floor window toward lower Manhattan. After he made the remark about the World Trade center not being there next week, the teacher didn’t immediately think much of it, though it stuck in her mind.
    “It scared the hell out of everyone,” according to a source at the school. Moreover, according to police, the youth confirmed having made the September 6 statement about the towers. At the moment he did so, his older brother elbowed him, said he had been “kidding,” and the youth in question agreed.

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    LONDON: The US administration had very specific information about Osama Bin Laden, his whereabouts, details of his al-Qaeda network and the degree of Pakistani military and security involvement in Afghanistan as far back as March, courtesy of the Russians, but still elected to take no action.
    The latest issue of Jane's Intelligence Review, published from London, says that Moscow's Permanent Mission at the United Nations "submitted an unprecedentedly detailed report" to the UN Security Council six months before the American atrocities.
    According to Alex Standish, the editor of the Review, the attacks of September 11 were less of an American intelligence failure and more the result of US inaction based on "a political decision not to act against Bin Laden".

    by Sherman H. Skolnick 09/11/01

    The most massive so-called "terrorist" attacks on U.S. soil since the Oklahoma City bombings of 1995, were known, a week ahead of time, by the American CIA.

    The CIA also was informed prior to the "terrorist" attacks scheduled for "911" Emergency Day [September 11], that highly skilled Iraqi pilots, among the four thousand Iraqi officers resident in the U.S., would take over the commercial flights, by retrieving the weapons concealed onboard, and then commandeering the flight deck.
    WHO BENEFITS. With a scandal about to break against George W. Bush, he and his circle had an interest NOT to stop these things from happening. And to divert attention. The White House has a strong motive to silence critics and urge people TO RALLY AROUND THE PRESIDENT.
    This is America's REICHSTAG fire. Adolph Hitler burned down the German parliament and falsely blamed his enemies and had them rounded up and put in the concentration camps. Has the U.S. Constitution now been revoked?

    REUTERS 10.03.01 -- 18:49 GMT 19:49 UK | US 'Received Signs of Terror Plan'

    By the BBC's Jon Leyne in Washington

    The American Government suspected before 11 September that terrorists were planning attacks against the United States, US Secretary of State Colin Powell has said.

    But intelligence agencies were unable to obtain more specific information that might have prevented the attacks, he said.

    His comments followed a call from a committee of the US Congress for an independent investigation into the intelligence failures.

    Powell: Frustrated by intelligence failure Mr Powell said there had been a lot of signs several months ago that "something was going on".

    But he said US agencies had never obtained any reliable warning of what was to come. Mr Powell expressed frustration about that failure, but defended the work of the intelligence agencies.

    It is already public knowledge that, during the last few months, the American authorities issued a number of warnings about the possibility of an attack.

    Report: Calendar Showed Plane Crashing Near Manhattan
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    Thursday, Sept. 27, 2001
    A calendar which was printed in Egypt and for the month of September shows a crashing passenger plane with Manhattan and the Statue of Liberty as a backdrop -- and which was printed in May, a full three months before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on America -- has caused an uproar in the Dutch town of Almere, Netherlands, the newspaper De Telegraaf reported yesterday.
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    FBI Knew Terrorists Were Using Flight Schools
    By Steve Fainaru and James V. Grimaldi
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Sunday, September 23, 2001; Page A24
    Federal authorities have been aware for years that suspected terrorists with ties to Osama bin Laden were receiving flight training at schools in the United States and abroad, according to interviews and court testimony.
    A senior government official yesterday acknowledged law enforcement officials were aware that fewer than a dozen people with links to bin Laden had attended U.S. flight schools. However, the official said there was no information to indicate the flight students had been planning suicide hijacking attacks.

    Days Before, Priest Predicted Plane Attacks on U.S.
    Says Organization of Terrorist Groups Has Changed
    ROME, SEPT. 16, 2001 ( A priest who has worked in charities in Muslim countries had openly warned about a possible terrorist attack on population centers in the United States and England -- four days before the horrific raids on New York and Washington.
    On Sept. 7, when he officiated at a wedding in Todi, Italy, French-born Father Jean-Marie
    Benjamin, 55, explained informally to a judge and several politicians that he had been told that a terrorist commando was preparing an attack, with hijacked passenger planes, on U.S. and British population centers. {EXCERPT}

    Newspaper: Echelon Gave Authorities Warning Of Attacks
    FRANKFURT, GERMANY, 2001 SEP 13 (NB) -- By Ned Stafford, Newsbytes. U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies received warning signals at least three months ago that Middle Eastern terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American and Israeli culture, according to a story in Germany's daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ).

    FBI tracked man in custody 2 weeks before attacks
    September 18, 2001 Posted: 4:41 PM EDT (2041 GMT)
    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Two weeks before the terorist attacks in New York City and Washington, D.C., FBI agents were at a flight school in Oklahoma asking questions about a man now suspected of having a link to those attacks, sources said.

    The fact that FBI agents were at the Airman Flight School in Norman, Oklahoma, two weeks before any attacks would seem to contradict the agency's assertion that it was not aware of any connection between aviation schools and suspected terrorists.

    The possibility that pilots were being trained for terrorist plots was revealed earlier this year during testimony at the trial of four men charged with the 1998 bombings of American embassies in Africa. U.S. prosecutors believe Osama bin Laden -- described as the "prime suspect" in the hijackings -- was behind that plot as well. He, in fact, was indicted for the 1998 bombings.
    U.S. investigators also believe that two of the dead World Trade Center hijackers had toured the Oklahoma facility, seeking flight training. Those two hijackers later enrolled in a Florida aviation school.
    Meanwhile, the FBI was warned six years ago of a terrorist plot to hijack commercial planes and slam them into the Pentagon, the CIA headquarters and other buildings, Philippine investigators said.
    Philippine authorities learned of the plot after a small fire in a Manila apartment, which turned out to be the hideout of Ramzi Yousef, who was later convicted for his role in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. Yousef escaped at the time, but agents caught his right-hand man, Abdul Hakim Murad, who told them about plots to hijack U.S. jets.
    Reuters and the Associated Press contributed to this report.

    Seattle man reportedly warned of terror attack
    Friday, October 12, 2001
    By SAM SKOLNIK [email protected]
    A Seattle man of Middle Eastern descent who reportedly predicted terrorists would attack the United States has been subpoenaed by a federal grand jury in New York, according to sources familiar with the investigation.
    The man, employed as a security guard, suggested to an East Coast friend in a telephone conversation days before the Sept. 11 passenger-jet hijackings that an attack on U.S. soil was coming, the sources said.
    After the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, the friend went to federal authorities with his concerns.
    When the tipster passed a lie-detector test, FBI agents in Seattle were assigned to track down the security guard.
    The man refused to cooperate with the agents, who asked him to also submit to a lie-detector test.

    The FBI allowed the bombing to happen.

    T H E N E W Y O R K T I M E S
    Thursday October 28, 1993 Page A1

    "Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart
    Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast"

    By Ralph Blumenthal

    Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building
    a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center,
    and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting
    harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after
    the blast.

    The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb
    and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by
    an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer,
    Emad Salem, should be used, the informer said.

    (Bin Laden's family, brothers, sisters, cousins were not detained and flew home from Boston about 5 days after the bombing, to their homes in Saudi Arabia. They retain all their many condos and property here.)

    Section 3.
    The Florida National Guard may order selected members on to state active
    duty for service to the State of Florida pursuant to Section 250.06(4), Florida
    Statutes, to assist FDLE in performing port security training and
    inspections. Based on the potential massive damage to life and property
    that may result from an act of terrorism at a Florida port, the necessity to
    protect life and property from such acts of terrorism, and inhibiting the
    smuggling of illegal drugs into the State of Florida, the use of the Florida
    National Guard to support FDLE in accomplishing port security training and
    inspections is "extraordinary support to law enforcement" as used in Section
    250.06(4), Florida Statutes.
    Section 6.
    This Executive Order shall remain in full force and effect until the earlier of its
    revocation or June 30, 2003.
    IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and have caused the Great Seal of the State of Florida to be affixed at Tallahassee, the Capitol, this 7th day of September 2001.

    World: Israel knew bin Laden attack was coming, source says
    By JASON KEYSER, Associated Press
    TEL AVIV, Israel (September 21, 2001 7:39 p.m. EDT) - Israeli intelligence services knew months ago that Osama bin Laden was planning a large-scale terror attack, a senior intelligence official said Friday. But no one knew what his targets would be. The Israeli official, who briefed journalists on condition of anonymity, said "everybody knew about a heightened alert, and knew that bin Laden was preparing a big attack."

    The Los Angeles Times first reported that Israel's Mossad warned Washington in August that as many as 200 terrorists linked to bin Laden were slipping into the country to prepare a major assault in the United States.

    Project Bojinka -
    More Indications Of
    Prior US Knowledge Of
    Hijacker Attack Plans EXCLUSIVE
    ©. 2001 All Rights Reserved

    Subject: Project Bojinka To my Classmates: Sometime in January 1995, when Philippine Police authorities captured Ramsey Youssef in Manila, I was asked, because of my affiliation with the NBI, to help decode and decipher the hard drives of the computers found in Youssef's possession. This is where we found most of the evidence of the projects that were being funded by Osama Bin Laden in the Philippines. The first plan was to assassinate Pope John Paul II who was then scheduled to visit the Philippines. The second was Project Bojinka, which called for the hijacking of US bound commercial airliners from the Philippines, Korea, Thailand, Taiwan, Honking(sic -ed) and Singapore, and then crash them into key structures in the United States. The World Trade Center, the White House, the Pentagon, the Transamerica Tower, and the Sears Tower were among prominent structures that had been identified in the plans that we had decoded.

    I would have thought that intelligence operatives would have analyzed all the evidence and worked out various scenarios that could have included the modified Bojinka plan. If they had done so, the US would have been prepared for this attack.
    Airline News Wire:

    State Department memo warned of terrorist threat
    Phillip Matier, Andrew Ross, Chronicle Staff Writers [email protected]
    Friday, September 14, 2001
    ©2001 San Francisco Chronicle
    Former U.S. Secretary of State George Shultz said yesterday that he was "startled" by a little-noticed State Department memo that was issued a week ago and warned that Americans "may be the target of a terrorist threat."
    The memo, issued just four days before the attacks on New York and Washington, identified the threat as coming from "extremist groups with links to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda organization."
    "I have not idea what intelligence lies behind the warning," Shultz said, ''but they put this out because they had some sort of intelligence."
    Shultz, who served as secretary of state under President Reagan, said he received a copy of the Sept. 7 "worldwide warning" in his San Francisco office on the day before the fatal attacks. The memo addressed concerns for Americans overseas and made no mention of any possible attack on U.S. soil.

    Officials Told of 'Major Assault' Plans

    Inquiry: U.S. authorities were advised in August that as many as 200 terrorists were coming to U.S. as part of plot.
    An article Thursday reported that in August, Israeli intelligence warned U.S. officials that terrorists were preparing a large-scale attack in this country. The article cited as its source a high-ranking law enforcement official. The Times has since learned that the official's account was based on a British newspaper report, not on independent information.

    Internet Domain Names May Have Warned of Attacks
    By Jeff Johnson Congressional Bureau Chief
    September 19, 2001

    ( - The terrorists who planned and executed the September 11 attack on America may have registered as many as 20 Internet domain names, or web addresses, that experts believe should have warned authorities of a possible assault on the World Trade Center in New York City.

    Internet domain names like '' and '' were registered more than a year ago. It's not known at this time who registered the suspicious names or what their purpose was.

    "It's unbelievable that they (the registration company) would register these domain names, probably without any comment to the FBI," according to Neil Livingstone, head of Global Options LLC, a Washington, D.C.-based counter-terrorism and investigation company.


    This is from the Jerusalem post: .Mossad warned of attacks <>
    Mossad warned CIA of attacks - report
    By Douglas Davis
    LONDON (September 17) - Mossad officials traveled to Washington last month to warn the CIA and the FBI that a cell of up to 200 terrorists was planning a major operation, according to a report in the Sunday Telegraph here yesterday.

    This is interesting, too:
    by David Johnson
    Early Warnings -- Reports keep coming in to us of advanced warnings that an attack of some sort was eminent. San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown was booked to fly from the Bay Area to New York City on the morning of September 11. But Brown says that late Monday evening, a full 8 hours prior to the attack, he received a call from a person Brown described as his "airport security man" telling him that he should be extra cautious about air travel on September 11.
    In addition to what we have previously reported about heightened security at the World Trade Center itself in the weeks leading to the attack and at the Picatinny Arsenal in Rockaway New Jersey CounterPunch has also learned that an internal memo was sent around Goldman Sachs in Tokyo on September 10 advising all employees of a possible terrorist attack.
    It recommended all employees to avoid any American government buildings. Wonder why all the CEOs they have been reporting were conveniently "out of the office" in the
    WTC that day?

    OCTOBER 02, 19:59 EDT SEC Probes Suspicious Trading
    AP Business Writer
    Traders work floor of NYSE
    The government is investigating trading in shares of 38 companies, including major airlines, cruise lines, General Motors and Raytheon, to determine if people used advance knowledge of the terror attacks to profit.
    The 38 companies also include the parents of major airlines American, Continental, Delta, Northwest, Southwest, United and USAirways as well as cruise lines Carnival and Royal Caribbean, aircraft maker Boeing and defense contractor Lockheed Martin.
    In the days before the terrorist assaults, unusually high numbers of put options were purchased for the stocks of AMR Corp. and UAL Corp., the parents of American and United - each of which had two planes hijacked.

    The Real American Traitors
    By: William Rivers Pitt

    On January 31, 2001, the Hart-Rudman report was published. This report voiced dire warnings about threats to American security posed by terrorist attacks. Further, this report recommended the creation of an Office of Homeland Defense that would be responsible for the implementation of defensive measures to combat this threat. The Hart-Rudman report was summarily dismissed and ignored by the Bush administration.