Black Spirituality Religion : was Noah's flood real?

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  1. darkreign

    darkreign Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    First off, hello family. I Want to explore this with you.

    Creationists believe that Noah, at the age 600 years old managed to construct a wooden ship that carried two of every kind upon the water for 40 days due to the entire earth being covered with flood waters from rain down pour. For the sake of argument, I’m going to concede to this. Now that that’s done, I would like all proponents of this belief explain to me some glaring problems that surely arose from this event.

    1. The ark was built out of wood which is not the best material for shipbuilding, its not strong enough to withstand the stress that is placed upon a ship in heavy seas like the ark was placed in. Changes in stress upon the ship would have separated the ship without the aid of iron reinforcements.

    The longest modern wooden ship built are about 300 feet, and these require reinforcing with iron straps and they leak badly, so bad that they must be constantly pumped. The ark was 450 feet long, how could it have held together without this technology?


    2.No two solids can occupy the same space at the same time, with that said, where was all the food stored aboard the ark to feed all the animal and humans for their stay on the ark for 40 days and after they left the ark?

    Lets look at how many species of birds there are in the world which happens to be over 10,000. also the animals that are indigenous other parts of the world. some I’ve listed below with commentary.

    The Sloth and penguin, can't travel overland very well, they are too slow and the sloth moves at a very slow pace.

    Koalas require a special diet, how did they maintain it during their long journey?

    Arthropods some need 100% relative humidity all the time to survive.

    Competition between species would have driven most of these animals to extinction. So how was this solved?

    3.These are problems I see in caring for these animals.
    Many animals, especially insects, (we never mention them but we have to) require special diets. Koalas, for example, require eucalyptus leaves, and silkworms eat nothing but mulberry leaves.

    Just to name a few. Now I doubt if Noah possessed the knowledge to care for the animals that required special feeding. Some animal only one kind of plant. How did Noah gather all those plants aboard, and where did he put them?

    Other animals are strict carnivores, and some of those specialize on certain kinds of foods, such as small mammals, insects, fish. How did Noah determine and provide for all those special diets?

    Also many animals require their food to be fresh. Some snakes, for example, will eat only live foods. Aphids, in fact, are physically incapable of sucking from wilted leaves. How did Noah keep all these food supplies fresh?

    Food spoilage had to be a major concern, it was especially so before the inventions of canning and refrigeration. With all of those pests onboard there had to be infestations of all kinds.

    And how was the animal waste problem handled? I dare not think of it.

    4. last but not least. All the mountain tops were covered with water. Mount Everest is over 29,000 feet high, that’s over 5 miles. If the earth is under 5 mile of water, where did the run off go? Do you know how long it takes a glass of water to evaporate, even in constant heat? Test it and you will see that if this was true, Noah could not have set foot on dry land after 40 days.
     
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    Music Producer Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    One word:

    Allegory

    The Ark was a Space Ship. The animals were DNA specimens. Noah was Nummo.

    That would be the oldest African Song that spun the Biblical African story of Noah and the Ark. As these advanced concepts spread from tribe to tribe they had to become simplified because the idea of other worlds, space, DNA and the universe was to complex and to difficult to transmit in multiple languages from people to people.

    Thus it eventually became simplified allegories.
     
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    Spiritual and mythological systems around the world attest to some great flood. Modern archeological technology shows water damage on the Egyptian Sphynx which could only be the result of a massive flood some ten thousand years ago. This confirms the antiquity of African civilizations which flourished at a time when biblical cosmology says the Earth had not yet been created. This is why Europeans had to destroy the inhabitants of Tasmania where our ancestors thrived for 35,000 years. There was a flood but it did not destroy the whole Earth. Noah was not even born yet when the real flood occurred. What was buried under the Noahic flood was not the Earth but the truth of our history as the original civilized people's of the Earth.

    Obviously the whole Noah myth like many other things inthe Bible was borrowed from Egyptian and Babylonian mythology. So as Africans the older myth of the flood still holds a message for us. The myth teaches us that when we trust in the Creator the very elements that destroy others can be our road to deliverance We can ride high on the waves of any troubles life presents. So much spiritual wisdom is lost when we argue over the historicity of stories that were meant to be allegorical.
     
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    darkreign Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Allegory indeed, as with the whole bible. i must admit i'm surprised by your response, i thought you were a staunch supporter of the bible and it's teachings. but if it is allegory, what are these stories symbolic of?

    There was a movie made chariots of the gods that open the open the possibility that UFO’s had a role in biblical stories.
     
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    Thats exactly my point, there may have been a flood but it was not world wide, if this was the case, stories of flood would not be told by other civilizations like the Sumerian. There are no geological or archaeological evidence to prove there was such a universal destruction of all human societies, plants and animals.
     
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    Sister river, the geophysical evidence of water undulation on the Sphinx was reported to have been the evidence of thousands of year’s heavy rainfall when Kemet was a fertile and wet environment, which was at the least 11,000 years ago (or earlier that 9,000 B.C.)! I don’t believe in the massive flood story and the wooden ark. It’s illogical and mere science fantasy.

    Even though the ark being possibly a Mothership or spacecraft full of DNA specimens may seem a extreme leap for many, at least it is in the realm of advanced technological possibility rather than a mere fanciful myth about a technologically impossible notion of a wooden ship full of all the animals of the earth. Now I don’t believe in big-headed and big-eyed grey space aliens giving us advance knowledge, spiritual science (spirituality), or building the pyramids, but I have no doubt that the pyramids and the sphinx are thousands of years older than what is believed by European and Arab Egyptologist.

    Based on the Drake equation, quantum physics, and other interpretations of ancient text and modern metaphysics I’m open to the idea that very highly advanced technological civilizations are all over this milky way galaxy of at least 10 billion stars (basically Suns), as well as other nearby galaxies. And why couldn’t phenotypic looking Africoids be the occupants of other planets, solar systems, or galaxies? And if that’s fathomable, than why couldn't those even have been our space-traveling ancestors many of 10’s of thousand of years ago?

    Maybe the missing link was actually missing at one time and never was here, ergo there is no missing link!


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    An Allegory is stories in which figures and actions represent a general Truth.

    General Truth….

    This continues to be supportive of the Bible because most African Songs of Theology are the same thing.

    UFOs could have highly likely played a role in several Biblical stories.


    21: And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night:
    22: He took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, nor the pillar of fire by night, from before the people.

    I have always recognized that as describing the exhaust of a ship or UFO. Most of the descriptions of GOD and HIS Power are alien and beyond our own.

    I don’t see how this point of view damages GOD.

    The workings of the Supreme Being and the development of Humans.
     
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    Brotha Sun ship.

    Always a pleasure when you navigate this way.

    Very interesting about the rainfall. Every branch of science precludes the historicity of what we read in the bible.

    It is highly probable that any extraterrestrial beings would look like us since the nonmelaninated ones are an anomaly and not really fit for natural survival.

    Of course, everything proffered by western science as knowledge should not be taken as such. After all,these were the same people who said they had scientific proof that Africans are less intelligent than Europeans.

    Many of the things we read about in the bible sound like comparatively primitive people trying to describe technologically advanced phenomenon Like in the book of Revelation the description of the golden streets of Heaven looking like clear glass. Those people did not have the technology to purify gold to the point it is clear as glass but this is what astronauts use for sun visors. We really don't know how much knowledge was lost to the world when the christians burned the library at Alexandria.
     
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    The biblical Earth is just too young for it to fit in with the realities of history, or should I say ourstory. It corresponds more to the masonic age of light and the emergence of the white man from the caves. In that sense it fits in with his story nicely with the creation myth being the awakening of the white man from pre his story to his story. His god told him to subdue the Earth which he has done and continues to do.
     
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    The problem with this is the white man that subdues the earth is not Servants of the GOD that Spoke those Words. They are Servants to the Son of that GOD “Jesus”.

    Basically the white man who conquers us don’t serve the GOD of the Old Testament. As a matter of fact they can be seen as mortal enemies to any people that do because they say we killed their god. So when GOD spoke this…….

    Gen:1:28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

    HE was Speaking to Africans, which we were doing just fine until we started rebelling against the LAW of GOD and angered HIM to the point as to where HE manifested the white man to rule over us and to do so until we return to HIS LAW.
     
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