Black Christians : Was Jesus Married? Old Papyrus Mentions 'Wife'

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  1. Clyde C Coger Jr

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    In the Spirit of Sankofa,




    ... As this age-old debate continues, here's the latest inconclusive evidence...




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    Was Jesus Married? Old Papyrus Mentions 'Wife'

    A small fragment of faded papyrus contains a suggestion that Jesus may have been married.
    The fragment, with just eight lines of text on the front and six lines on the back, is from a fourth-century dialogue, written in the Coptic language, between Jesus and his disciples. In it, Jesus speaks of "my wife," according to Harvard professor Karen L. King, who discovered the fragment.
    "The most exciting line in the whole fragment…is the sentence 'Jesus said to them [his disciples], my wife…" King said in a video posted to Harvard's YouTube channel. The next line of text reads, "She will be able to be my disciple."
    http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blog...ions-wife-000319173--abc-news-topstories.html



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    ... Traditionally, Christians hold the viewpoint that Jesus/Yashua/Eashoa was not married. And the above, Gospel of Phillip, is not a part of the acceptable biblical cannon; as such, it has no value in this study forum but to conflict with the traditional view of the Bible held by Christians.

    The Gospel of Philip is one of the Gnostic Gospels, a text of New Testament apocrypha, dating back to around the third century but lost to modern researchers until an Egyptian peasant rediscovered it by accident, buried in a cave near Nag Hammadi, in 1945.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Philip




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  3. Clyde C Coger Jr

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    Question: "What is the gospel of Philip?"

    Answer: Similar to the gospel of Thomas, the gospel of Philip is a collection of sayings, supposedly of Jesus. The gospel of Philip focuses a great deal on the “sacrament of marriage” as a “sacred mystery.” The gospel of Philip does not claim to have been written by Jesus’ disciple Philip. It is titled “the gospel according to Philip” due to Philip being the only disciple of Jesus who is named in the gospel (73:8).

    Whatever the case, even if the gospel of Philip explicitly stated that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene, that would not make the idea true. The gospel of Philip was not written by the Apostle Philip or anyone who had ever met Jesus. The original writing of the gospel of Philip is dated to the 3rd century A.D. at the earliest, at least 200 years after Jesus’ death. The only value in studying the gospel of Philip is in learning what heresies existed in the early centuries of the Christian church.

    Recommended Resource: The Missing Gospels: Unearthing the Truth Behind Alternative Christianities by Darrell Bock.

    http://www.gotquestions.org/gospel-of-Philip.html
     
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    In the Spirit of Sankofa,




    ... Excerpts from the below counter argument to King's findings:




    ROME— Is a scrap of papyrus suggesting that Jesus had a wife authentic?
    Scholars on Wednesday questioned the much-publicized discovery by a Harvard scholar who said a fourth-century fragment of papyrus provided the first evidence that some early Christians believed Jesus was married.
    And experts in the illicit antiquities trade also wondered about the motive of the fragment's anonymous owner, noting that the document's value has likely increased amid the publicity of the still-unproven find.

    'Not completely convincing' Stephen Emmel, a professor of Coptology at the University of Muenster who was on the international advisory panel that reviewed the 2006 discovery of the Gospel of Judas, said the text accurately quotes Jesus as saying "my wife." But he questioned whether the document was authentic.

    "There's something about this fragment in its appearance and also in the grammar of the Coptic that strikes me as being not completely convincing somehow," he said in an interview on the sidelines of the conference.

    Another participant at the congress, Alin Suciu, a papyrologist at the University of Hamburg, was more blunt.
    "I would say it's a forgery. The script doesn't look authentic" when compared to other samples of Coptic papyrus script dated to the fourth century, he said.

    King acknowledged Wednesday that questions remain about the fragment, and she welcomed the feedback from her colleagues. She said she planned to subject the document to ink tests to determine if the chemical components match those used in antiquity.
    "We still have some work to do, testing the ink and so on and so forth, but what is exciting about this fragment is that it's the first case we have of Christians claiming that Jesus had a wife," she said.

    Doubts over Harvard claim of 'Jesus' Wife' papyrus | News Talk …
    www.ckom.com/...over-harvard-claim-jesus-wife-papyrus


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    Brutha Cylde....Glad to hear from you on this.


    In the texts of the New Testament, there is no explicit suggestion that Mary and Jesus were married, but all four gospels mention her. From these writings she is accepted as being one of Jesus’ inner circle of disciples, but her status is simply seen as just that.


    These two quotes here:



    So is this the reason why they can't really say who the "wife" is? These two lines suggest that it could be someone that is not already his disciple.

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    ... Your assessment of the New Testament is proper and leads to the traditional understanding Christians have, Christ was not married.

    At present, the writing and King's interpretation of this recent find is seriously challenged by her peers:

    http://destee.com/index.php?threads/was-jesus-married-old-papyrus-mentions-wife.73212/#post-759515



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    The Da Vinci code by Dan Brown was a good read. It talked about the fact that Jesus had a wife, son and a genealogy which they hid. Of course it was a fictional book, but still interesting.
     
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    Welcome Richard Dunn, but the double talk doesn't work in this Forum that you are too new to know anything about. You have stumbled into the Christian Study Group forum where conversation should be constructive and designed for those of like minds. It should lift the Bible in a positive and meaningful way. So take your time and further navigate this Site, learn it, and act respectful, okay?

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    Question:

    What is the appropriate thread to discuss the Gospel of Philip, the Book of Jubilees, or other texts which are not included in the western Bibles, but are recognized canons of the Eastern Orthodox, Coptic, Nubian and Ethiopian Christians?
     
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    I ask this question because I have read in this study section posts using the Dead Sea Scrolls and other Essene texts as proof of the KJV, but for some reason, at times these texts are dismissed.
     
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