Black Spirituality Religion : Was Jesus A Muslims And What Was His Followers Called ?

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  1. IssaEl21

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    I don't want to disappoint you , But Jesus himself , Who The Muslims refer to by his Greek name . They say '' Isa or Esa which come from the Greek Iesous or Ee-Ay-Sooce . When the Muslims admit in The Quraan that he was A Jew And Was Sent To The Israelites and not to The Muslim .

    Quraan 61;6 ( Yusef Ali Translation ) And I Quote ; And Remember (Jesus The Son Of Mary ; O Children Of Iseael ! ) I Am A Messseger Of Allah
    ( Sent ) To You , Confirming The Law ( Which Came ) Before Me , And Giving Glad Tidings Of A Messenger To Come After Me , Whose Name Shall Be Ahmad . But When He Came To Them With Clear Signs . They Said '' This Is Evident Sorcery ''

    Or to be clearer , The Muslims refer to Jesus followers as '' Nasaara Or Ansaaru ( Quraan 5;82 , 61;14 ) . And I Quote ; '' O ye believer ! ( be ye helpers of Allah ) ; As said Jesus , the son of mary , To the disciples , '' Who will be my helper to ( the work of ) Allah ? Said the disciples , '' We are Allah's helpers ! ( Ansaaru Allah ) '' Then A portion of the children of Israel believed , and A portion disbelieved ; But we gave power to those who believe against their enemies , And they became the ones who Prevailed . '' < Another Mistake ; Which They Say Mean '' Christians .

    However both '' Nasaara or Ansaaru Allah come from the root word Nasara which means '' To Help Or Aid '' The word Nasara , Nasaariy or Nasraaniy can be found in Matthew 2;23 , in the Arabic Bible , Where it says '' Wa - Ata - Wa - Sakana - Fee - Madeenatin - Yuqaalu - Lahaa - Naasiratu - Lekay - Yatemma - Maa - Qela - Be - Al - Anbeyaae - Innahu - Sayuda ' Naaseriyyaan '' And The word Naasiriyaan , As found in the above quote means '' The Nazarites or Nazarenes , Who were Jews .

    In the book of Numbers 6;21 , Revealed in the year 1473 B.C.E. Which was revealed 841 years before The Quraan Of The Muslims . It mentions the Aramic Hebrew word Naziyr , And it say '' This Is The Law Of The Nazarite '' Naziyr '' Who Hath Vowed .. Showing that again , This word Nasaaraa was borrowed from the Torah into The Quraan , And this Aramic Hebrew word Naziyr , Also in Ashuric / Syriac Arabic Nadhiyr means '' Consecrated or devoted one , Nazarite , '' Andis the root of the word

    Al Nadhiyr , meaning '' To Dedicate , Consecrate , To Vow , Make A Vow ; To Make A Solemn Pledge . '' The word Nazarite can be found in ,
    Number 6;2, 6;13, 6;18, 6;19, 6;20, 6;21, Judge 13;5 , 13;7, 16;17 , The word Nazarites can be found in Lamentations 4;7 , Amos 2;11, 2;12 . The word Nazarene can be foundin Matthew2;23 And I Quote ; '' There he made his home in A twon called Nazareth , So that what had been spoken through the prophets might be fulfilled , '' He will be called A Nazorean .

    The word Nazarenes can be found in Acts 24;5 , And the word Nazareth can be found in Matthew 2;23, 4;13, 21;11 , 26;9, Mark 1;9, 1;24, 10;47 , 14;67, 16;6 , Luke 1;26, 2;4, 2;39, 2;51, 4;16, 4;34, 18;37 , 24;19 , Acts 2;22, 3;6, 4;10 , 6;14, 10;38, 22;8, 26;9 ...

    Also in The Qur'aan Revealed from 610-632 A.D. Nasaari , Can be found 15 times in Quraan 2;62, 2;111, 2;113, ( Twice ) , 2;120, 2;135, 2;140, 3;67, 5;14, 5;18, 5;51, 5;69, 5;82, 9;30 22;17,


    Quraan 3;52 ( Yusef Ali Translation ) And I Quote ; When Jesus found unbelief on their part he said , '' Who will ( Be My Helper To ( The Work Of ) Allah ? '' Said the disciple ; '' We are ( Allah's Helpers ) '' We believe in Allah and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims .

    So if any of you Muslims claim that you are Nasaari or Nasri Allah as found in Quraan 3;52 '' Man ' Ansaariii ' Ilallah ? Qaalal Hawaa-Riyyuuna Nahnu ' Ansaarullaah ; - Who Will Be My Helpers ( Ansaariya ) To ( The Work Of ) Allah ? Said The Disciples ; We Are Allah Helpers / Ansaar ,

    And you call Jesus in Quraan 3;45 .... Masiihu 'Iisabnu - Maryyama -..
    ( Christ Jesus ( Al Masiyh Isa ) , The Son Of Mary , '' Then Jesus follower should be called '' Masiyhiyyn , Meaning '' Followers of messiah '' And Not Ansaariya meaning '' Helpers

    However , there is another word in The Quraan 5;82 , For Christian , And that word is '' Qissiysiyn '' Qissii-Siina , Yet , another word grafted from the Greek word '' Kristianos '' meaning '' Christians , Follower Of Christ , as found Acts 11;26 , Where the follower of '' Eeaysooce '' Jesus '' Were first called Christians And it says ; And The Disciple Were Called Christian
    ( Kristianos ) First In Antioch '' The word Christian /Kristianos '' Is found two other times in The New Testament in Acts 26;28 and 1Peters 14;6 ,

    So why do you Muslims keep borrowing Greek , Persian , Chaldean , Babylonian and Hebrew terms or words , Grafting them into your Quraan , If it is written in your Holy Quraan Chapter 18;1 '' Prasise Be To God , Who Hath Sent To His Servant The Book , And Hath Allaow Therein No Crookedness ( 'Iwajan ) . According To Lane Arabic English Lexicon , By Edward William Lane , , Part 5 , Page 2187 , Column 1 , 1St Paragragh , Iwajaan Is defined as ''It Was , Or Became , Crooked , Contorted , DISTORTED ,

    Uneven , ''And In Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary , Edited By J .Milton Cowan , Third Edition , Page 653 , 1St Column , Paragraph 4, ' Iwaj Is Defined As Crookedness , Twistedness , Curvature , Bending , Tortuosity ; Unevernness ;Deviation ( From That Which Is Right ) .

    So If There Is No Crookedness , Distortment Or Deviation In The Quraan , Then Why Is There A Necessity To Borrow Foreign Words And Incorporate It In The Quraan , If There Are No Crookedness In It ?

    The Nazarites Spoke Aramic /And Hebrew , And Because Of The Popularity Of The Aramic Language , Coming From A Son Of Shem , Genesis 10;22 , Aramic Further Developed Into More Than Dialects , Such As Galilean , Spoken By The People Of Jesus Time In Palestine . The Book Of Revelation Was Originally Written In Galilean Aramaic / Aramic .

    In The Aramic And Hebrerw Languages . Jesus 'Name Would Not Be '' Isa , Issa , 'Iysa , Essa ; The Name Is Yashu'a In The Old Testament Jesus Is Found In Deuteronmy 34;19 ,Number 13;16 In Aramic / Hebrew As Yehowshuwa, meaning '' Jehovah Is Salvation . '' For The Name Joshua Or Jehoshua , And In Deuteronmy 32;44 In Aramic / Hebrew As Howshea meaning '' Salvation '' .

    For The Name Hoshea , It also found in 2Chronicles 31;15 , In Aramic / Hebrew As Yeshuwa meaning '' He Is Saved '' . For The Name Jeshua . These Names Are All From The Same Root Word Yshu'a In Aramic / Hebrew. It '' Sh '' And In Ashuric / Syriac Arabic Its ''S '' So Again , The Quraan Is Wrong !

    According to '' Islam Revealed , A Christian Arab's View Of Islam '' By Dr . Anis A . Shorrosh . Page 82 States . '' Isa is the name given to Jesus in The Quran , '' Both Christian and Muslims Have wondered for centuries why he is called '' Yesu '' as The Gospels have it in Arabic . Here is the reason .

    Muhammad used the name '' Isa '' In Good Faith After Hearing It From The Unbelieveing Jews In Medina In Their Hatred , The Jews Ridiculed Jesus By Calling Him Esau . TheRejected Brother Of Jacob Who Lost The Blessing . The Declared That The Soul Of Esau Had Been TAransformed Into Jesus .

    Muhammad picked up this name and put it in His Arabic Tongue And Applied it to Jesus without carrying with it the derrogatory meaning given by The Jews . So Esau and Y'shua would not have the same root word in Aramic / Hebrew afterwards The Greek Took Esau's name and made it Iasous or Ee-Ay-Ssoce for Jesus then finally the Arabs took it and made the word 'Esa / Isa ' Iysaa . Again , Why such hatred for Jesus ? Obviously you Muslims feel threaten by Jesus To Equate him with the supposedly hated Esau .
     
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    Does The Muslims Know The Moon God And Goddess Have Be Un-Earth

    Do the Muslims Know that Allah And Allat , The Moon God and Goddess statues have been Un-Earth in ( Saudi Arabia ) ? Some Muslims will say , Allah Is / Was Not A Moon God ? Contray to what the Muslims Say , During the nineteeth century . Three Archaeologists ; Arnaud , Halevy and Glasser , Went to Saudi Arabia and dug up thousand of Sabean , Mineaean and Qatababian Inscriptions which was translated . Then in 1940's and 50's , They were followed by G.Caton Thompson and Carleton S . Coon , Wendell Phillips , W.F. Albright , Richard Bower Who Excavated sites At Qataban , Timna and Marib ( The Ancient Capital ( Sheba ) .

    These Inscription And Votive Bowls Read Used In The Worship Of The ,
    ( DAUGHTERS OF ALLAH ) '' The Three Daughter Were Al-lat , Al-Uzza , and Manat Were Sometimes Depicted Together With Allah , The Moon God , Represented By A Crescent Moon Above Them . They Weren't Just Found In Arabia . They Were Found In Palestine , Lebanon , And Iraq . Etc .

    The Archaeological Evidence Demonstrates That The Dominant Religion Of Arabia Was The Cult Of The Moon . In The Old Tesament Times , Nabonidus ( 555-559 B.C. ) . The Last King Of Babylon , Built Tayma Arabia As A Center Of Moon God Worship . Segall States , '' South Arabia's Stellar Religion Has Always Been Dominated By The Moon God In Various Variations .''

    Many Scholars Have Also Noticed That The Moon-God's Name '' Sin '' Is Part Of Such Arabic Word Sinai , The Wilderness Of Sin , Etc . When The Popularity Of The Moon God Wanted Elsewhere . The Arabs Remained True To Their Conviction That The Moon God Was The Greatest Of All Gods . While They Worshipped 360 Gods At The Ka'aba In Mecca , The Moon God Was The Chief Deity . Mecca Was In Fact Built As A Shrine For The Moon-God . This Is What Made It The Most Sacred Site Of Arabian Paganism ,

    The Overwhelming Evidence Reveals That The Temple Of The Moon God Was Active Even In The Christian Era , And During Muhammad's Time And It Was Still The Dominant Cult . The Moon God Was Also Known As ( Sin) A Title Of Ishtar . The Mother Of Tammuz , And Her Father Nannar Son Of ( Enqi and Mulittu ?? ) The Title Of Sin Was Al-Ilah Meaning '' The Deity '' Notice How Similar Al-lah is To Al-Lah or Allah ? Meaning He Was The Chief Or High God Among The Gods . As Coon Pointed Out . '' The God '' II or Ilah '' Was Originally A Phase Of The Moon God .

    The Fact Remain '' Why Is Allah Never Defined In The Quraan ? Why Did Muhaamad Assume That The Pagan Arabs Already Knew Who Allah Was .
    '' Allah , Your Lord And Cherisher And The Lord And Cherisher Of Your Father Of Old ? As Qurran 37;126 So Like I Said , The Arabs Knew And Worshipped The Moon God Allah , Muhammad Only Wanted Them To Recognize That '' He Was Alone , Because They Had Already Recognized Allah As The Greatest God Or Deity ,

    Say It , '' Allah Akbar '' Greatest Or Oldest Of Who ? That's Right The Rest Of The 359 Gods And Goddesses !!!! Muhammad Fatherb Name Was Abdullah Servant Or Slave Of Allah ; If Allah Wasn't A Pagan God , Why Was Muhammad Father's Name '' ABDULLAH ???? '' So , The Muslims Claim That Allah Is The God Of The Bible And Islam Arose From The Religion Of The Prophets And Apostles Is Contradicted Big Time With All Of These Archaeological Finding . The Evidence Is There Islam Is Just Another Moon God Cult , And Even The Name Of Its God From The Ancient Pagan Religion Of Moon Worship '' Diyn '.

    The Evidence Is There ! Islam Is Just Another Moon God Cult , And Even Its God And Mood Symbol , The Crescent Is From The Ancient Pagan Religion Of Moon Worship , Diyn / Sin !
     
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    As-Salaamu-Alaikum, Brother IssaEl21:

    Re: Al-LAT, HUBAL Al-UZZA AND MANAT

    Al-Lat was a pre-Islamic Arabian fertility goddess. She is condemned in the Qur'an in association with the goddesses Manat and Al-Uzza; the three are often referred to as the "trinity of desert goddesses." Al-Lat is a contraction that etymologically means, “the goddess”; her name occurs in earlier Safaitic graffiti as, han-'Ilat. She was also worshiped by the Nabataeans. She was believed to be the mother of Hubal.

    In pagan Arabia, before the teachings of Prophet Muhammad (saw), the god Hubal was worshipped, notably at the Kaaba at Mecca, where his was the grandest of the idols. When he conquered Mecca, Muhammad (saw) ended his tribe Quraish's tradition of idol-worship by smashing Hubal, together with all the 360 idols at the Kaaba. Some sources claim that Hubal was a moon god. Attempts to identify Hubal with Allah have been notably popular among evangelical Christians, but even they acknowledge that this hypothesis is speculative, and it is contradicted by the Islamic-period texts from which most knowledge of pre-Islamic Arab religion derives.

    Tracing the origins of ancient gods is often tenuous. If the name "Hubal" is related to an Aramaic word for “spirit,” as suggested by Philip K. Hitti in History Of The Arabs, then Hubal may have come from the north of Arabia. In Sumer, in southernmost Mesopotamia, just to the north of Arabia, the moon-god figures in the Creation Epic; in a variant of it, the moon-god is chief among the elder gods. According to Hitti, a tradition recorded by Muhammad's early biographer, Ibn Ishaq – which makes Amir ibn Luhayy the importer of this idol from Moab or Mesopotamia – may have a kernel of truth insofar as it retains a memory of such an Aramaic origin of the deity.

    Outside southern Arabia Hubal's name appears just once - in a Nabataean inscription (Corpus Inscriptiones Semit., vol. II, Jaussen and Savignac, Mission Archéologique en Arabie, vol. I). There Hubal is mentioned along with deities Dushara and Manawatu. On the basis of such slender evidence, it has been suggested that Hubal may actually have been a Nabataean, but the Nabataeans were cosmospolitan traders who drew on many traditions in every aspect of life.

    According to Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar’s Muhammad The Holy Prophet, "About four hundred years before the birth of Muhammad, one Amir ibn Lahyy, a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had put an idol called Hubal on the roof of the Kaaba. This was one of the chief deities of the Quraish before Islam." The actual date for this quasi-legendary leader of the Quraish is disputed, with dates as late as the end of the 4th century AD suggested, but what is quite sure is that the Quraish group of tribes became the protectors of the ancient holy place, supplanted the Khuza'a. There may be some foundation of truth in the story that Luhayy had traveled in Syria, and had brought back from there the cult of the goddesses al-Uzza and Manah, and had combined it with that of Hubal, the idol of the Khuza'a.

    An earlier reference to this legend records that he "brought with him an idol called Hubal from the land of Hit in Mesopotamia…so he set it up at the well inside the Ka'ba and ordered the people to worship it. Thus a man coming back from a journey would visit it and circumambulate the House before going to his family, and he would shave his hair before it. Muhammad ibn Ishaq said that Hubal was “cornelian pearl in the shape of a human. His right hand was broken off and the Quraish made a gold hand for it. It had a vault for the sacrifice, and there were seven arrows cast on issues relating to a dead person, virginity and marriage. Its offering was a hundred camels. It had a custodian." (Al-Azraqi, d.834 AD)

    According to Ibn al-Kalbi’s Book of Idols, "The Quraish had several idols in and around the Ka'ba. The greatest of these was Hubal. It was made, as I was told, of red agate, in the form of a man with the right hand broken off. It came into the possession of the Quraish in this condition, and they therefore made for it a hand of gold. The first to set it up was Khuzaymah ibn Mudrikah. Consequently it used to be called “Khuzaymah's Hubal.” It stood inside the Ka'bah. In front of it were seven divination arrows. On one of these arrows was written "pure," and on another "consociated alien." Whenever the lineage of a newborn was doubted, they would offer a sacrifice to it (Hubal) and then shuffle the arrows and throw them. It was before Hubal that Abdul al-Muttalib shuffled the divination arrows in order to find out which of his ten children he should sacrifice in fulfilment of a vow he had sworn, and the arrows pointed to his son Abdullah, the father of the Prophet.

    Hubal was also the same idol that Abu Sufyan ibn Harab addressed when he emerged victorious after the battle of Uhud, saying:

    "Hubal, be thou exalted."

    To which the Prophet replied:

    "Allah is more exalted and more majestic."

    UZZA

    Until Prophet Muhammad (saw) ended polytheism in Arabia, a wide variety of deities were venerated, including Uzza (i.e., "the powerful"). According to Ibn al Kalbi's early 9th century Kitab al-Asnam, the "Book of Idols," the pagan Arabs called her one of Allah's three daughters, along with al-Lat (i.e., "the goddess") and Manat, who carried the shears of fate, and thus has been read by some Westerners as a counterpart in Arabia of Atropos.

    Each was worshiped in their own right, but also asked to intercede with Allah (swt). These three goddesses are mentioned in Surah 53:19, which condemns the pagan Arabs for claiming that Allah had daughters. According to Ibn Ishaq's controversial account of the Satanic Verses, these verses had previously endorsed them as intercessors. Uzza, like Hubal, was called upon for protection by the pagan Quraish. "In 624 AD, at the battle called "Uhud," the war cry of the Quraish was, “O people of Uzza, people of Hubal.”

    The idol of al-Uzza receives a passage in Ibn al-Kalbi's Kitab al-Asnam, that is the most complete early source for information concerning her:
    "They then adopted al-'Uzza as their goddess. She is, in point of time, more recent than either Allat or Manah, since I have heard that the Arabs named their children after the latter two before they named them after al-'Uzza. Thus "Abdul al-Uzza ibn Ka'b ibn Sa'd ibn Zayd Manah ibn Tamim." It is therefore more recent than the first two. Abdul al-Uzza ibn-Ka'b is among the earliest compounded names the Arabs used in conjunction with al-Uzza.

    The person who introduced al-Uzza was Zilim ibn As'ad. Her idol was situated in a valley in Nakhlat al-Sha'miyah, called "Hurad," alongside al-Ghumayr to the right of the road from Mecca to Iraq. Over her (Zalim) built a house called “Buss,” in which the people used to receive oracular communications. The Arabs, as well as the Quraish, were wont to name their children “Abdul-al-Uzza.” Furthermore, al-Uzza was the greatest idol among the Quraish. They used to journey to her, offer gifts unto her, and seek her favors through sacrifice.”

    The Kitab al-Asnam offers additional detail of the "three exalted cranes," as these goddesses were called in the verses that Ibn Ishaq says were deleted from the Qur'an: "These were also called "the Daughters of Allah," and were supposed to intercede before God." It is unclear whether these goddesses were always regarded as the daughters of Allah, or had originally been called daughters of some other deity; the Kitab al-Asnam says that each of the three's worship was introduced at a different period, suggesting that they may not originally even have been sisters.

    Each daughter had a separate shrine near Mecca. The most prominent Arabian shrine of al-Uzza was at a place called "Nakhlah," near Qudayd, east of Mecca towards Taif. Three trees were sacred to her there (according to a narration through al-Anazi Abu Ali in the Kitab al-Asnam). "She was the "Lady Uzzay," and to whom a South Arabian offered a golden image on behalf of his sick daughter, Amat Uzzayan ("maid of al-Uzza"). Abdul al-Uzza was a favorite proper name at the rise of Islam." (Hitti). The name "Uzza" appears as an emblem of beauty in late pagan Arabic poetry quoted by Ibn al-Kalbi, and oaths were sworn by her.

    Uzza's former presence in South Arabia has been thoroughly effaced by time. But her presence has not been obliterated far north at Petra of the Nabataeans, who had deities with Arabian names early in their history; whom they later associated with Hellenistic gods, Uzza becoming associated with Isis and with Aphrodite. Excavations at Petra since 1974 have revealed a temple – apparently dedicated to Isis/al-Uzza – now named after some carvings found inside, the Temple of the Winged Lions. Inscriptions record the name of Uzza at Petra. A fragment of poetry by Zayd ibn Amir ibn Nufayl, quoted in the Kitab al-Asnam, suggests that Uzza had two daughters: "No more do I worship al-Uzza and her two daughters."

    MANAH or MANAT

    According to the "Book of Idols" (Kitab Al-Asnam) by Hisham Ibn Al-Kalbi, the pagan Arabs believed Manah to be the goddess of fate and the oldest of the three daughters of Allah. Manah is the "third idol" mentioned in the Qur'an (Sura 53:20). The most ancient of all these idols was Manah. The Arabs used to name their children: "Abdul Manah" and "Zayd Manah." Manah was erected on the seashore in the vicinity of al-Mushallal in Qudayd, between Medina and Mecca. All the Arabs used to venerate her, sacrifice before her, and bring unto her their offerings. In particular, the Aws and the Khazraj, southern Arabian tribes who were allies of Prophet Muhammad (saw), as well as the inhabitants of Medina and Mecca and their vicinities.

    An informant from the Quraish revealed that the Aws and the Khazrajs – as well as those Arabs among the people of Yathrib and other places who took to their way of life – were wont to go on pilgrimage and observe the vigil at all the appointed places, but not shave their heads. At the end of the pilgrimage, however, when they were about to return home, they would set out to the place where Manah stood, shave their heads, and stay there awhile. They did not consider their pilgrimage completed until they visited Manah. Because of this veneration of Manah by the Awa and the Khazraj, Abdul ibn Uzza:

    "An oath, truthful and just, I swore by Manah, at the sacred place of the Khazraj..."

    The three "daughters of Allah," al-Lat, Uzza and Manah, may be interpreted as three aspects of the “Triple Goddess.” Among the Nabataeans, Manat was considered to be the wife of Hubal. In the eighth year of the Hijrah (629-630 AD), the year in which God accorded him the victory at Mecca, the Book of Idols records:

    "When he was at a distance of four or five nights from Medina, he dispatched Ali to destroy her. Ali demolished her, took away all her treasures, and carried them back to the Prophet. Among the treasures that Ali carried away were two swords, which had been presented to Manah by al-Harith ibn Abu Shamir al-Ghassani, the king of Ghassan. The one sword was called “Mikhdham” and the other “Rasub.”

    Ma Salaam.
     
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    Nice Try < Aqil >

    Nice Side Stepping But No Gold Ring < Laughinggggggg > But The Best Is Yet To Come ,By The Way You Never Answer My Question ; Who Are The True Arabas :skate:
     
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    You don't know?
     
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    Was Jesus A Muslims And What Was His Followers Called ?Er they were called Muchristlims???(ducking)
     
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    Ohhhhh GP! You better really duck on that one! Boy you are so crazy...got me laughing. :skate: :run: :argue: :pie:
     
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    peace,

    In neither book does he claim any religious affiliation as Christ - Anti began after his departure from Antioch. So he never even heard of this word.

    Nor, did he claim Islaam DIRECTLY in words as the Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) came 600 years later. Yet he states that not his will, but the will of the creator be done. Meaning he "Submitted" & in Islam this tranforms into the word "Muslim" (one who submits his will to the creator).

    Not saying he was a Muslim, but there would be more evidence pointing to the fact that he was, rather than the lack of evidence proving that he was a Christian.

    peace!
     
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    I don't believe Jesus was Muslim or Christian. The Muslims believe that Jesus was only a teacher and nothing more. But Jesus claims oneness with God the Father and claimed to be the immaculate son of God. At death, His claim could no longer be denied by those who lived and ate with Him. He was and is the Son of God. He also stated that He is the way, the truth and the light and that all others were false. As a follower of Christ, I accept that as truth without a doubt. Now the Muslim religion does not appreciate those type of statements. So they busted Him down in their book as just another teacher...another man.

    He was not a christian either because christianity (follower of Christ) did not come on the scene until after the Anitioch incident which took place AFTER Christ's death. Besides, Jesus did not follow "himself"...He obeyed the Father. So no, he was not a follower of mohammad or any other man nor was He a follower of himself. Religions can be such confusing things can't they?
     
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    couldn't have said it better...
     
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