Black People : was it a mistake for malcolm to talk to the white press?

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    Should he have left white folks out of what was going on between him and
    Elijah? Did he lose any of your respect with that move? I have had
    mixed feelings about it since I first read the book in '89..

     
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    everyone makes mistakes even avatars and saints, the point is are we willing to learn from them?

    Bruce Lee said, when he points at the moon, why spend time looking at his finger, and miss what he is ponting at.

    What fi ti was true what Abernathy said about Dr. King? does that lessen his and Malcolm's efforts of work together and the accomplishments he made? Or Eijah Muhammed and the secetaries< does that discount the dignity that the NOI has shown to the Black community and still does?
    Or Dr Adam Clayton Powell's extravagances?

    When we seek perfection, we make excuses not to unite and uplift
     
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    peace

    I read the book in the same year, but i could never loose any respect for him. He was a calculated mathematician who loved the truth, as truth and math go hand in hand. As to your question about leaving "white folks" out of what was going on, "white folks" were already involved (FBI) just in "black face" since El-hajj-malik-el-shabazz convinced the messenger to let one of their gatherings be recorded which introduced them to the world.

    I think it was Mike Wallace (of the hate that hate produced) who said until that time "White America" had no idea about this organization and were blown away at what they saw! From that point on they (white people) became involved and plotting to destroy it as they do everything else that we build.

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    "Eijah Muhammed and the secetaries< does that discount the dignity that the NOI has shown to the Black community and still does?"


    "I do think it does, perhaps not for some. but it does, to me.
    It's not about being perfect, it's about ones commitment to being honorable".

    If you can't live the live, don't preach!
     
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    Yeah, I wonder if it wasn't a mistake for the NOI to engage the white media at all..
    even though we know how much of a mistake it is to ignore them also.

    My mix of my feelings over this has to do with what we now know about the total
    situation.. I believe that Malcolm became ensnared in the divide and conquer
    plot by giving in to his personal desire for revenge.. a desire that we now
    know was helped along by the FBI.. through covert operations. Both sides
    were being played against the other..

    Who firebombed Malcolm's house? Who killed Malcolm ? What would have
    happened if he never made public what he knew about Elijah Muhammad?


    Those are the kinds of questions I think are necessary to really really get
    down to how this divide and conquer thing actually works..

     
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    I don't believe in saints.. Malcolm was a man. And I'm trying to get the full
    value out of his experience with white supremacy.. and the only way to do
    that is through taking a look at what we can see from the human side.. Saints
    are too high in the air to really do anything with them but believe.. And that
    would be a mistake, in my opinion, to elevate our murdered brothers above
    any kind of critical analysis of what they did while they were here with us..
    especially if that analysis's intent is to learn from the life he lived and lost.
     
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    I'm still trippin that I made two threads about this 4 minutes apart.. I was on
    one last night.. too many windows open :)
     
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    The NOI is important to Black people and will continue to be important to black people all over the world, and no one can discount the thousands of lives it cleaned up and the paridigm of dignity, and racial pride it has given to a people who have faced jim Crow since slavery, and interesting the statement about Abernathy was left out of the response.

    Like Paul Mooney said,
    race is an everyday issue for Black folks here
     
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    LOL - it's all good, it's not like you do it all the time like _______ !
     
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    Yes it was a mistake...

    Yes it was a mistake.

    We don't need to dwell to long on it but the fact is if the white Amerikan system of gov't had ever desired to correct any of it wrongs by at least 60% since 1555 it could have EASILY done it. Malcolm was correct that we were not, are not and will not EVER be truly wanted here. Any aspect of tactics which rely on working with any aspects of the system which has, continues and will continue to oppress us is, has and will be counterproductive
     
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