Black People : Was Beethoven Black?

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  1. NNQueen

    NNQueen going above and beyond PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Interesting find ......Lugwig Van Beethoven was a German composer & Pianist
    born at 515 Bongasse in BONN , GERMANY to Johann & Magdalena he later moved
    to VIENNA , AUSTRIA in his twenties to study with Joseph Haydon he played for Mozart
    in 1787 his ideas of enlightment by the growing romanticism in EUROPE is when he
    dedicated this third symphony EROICA ...Italian for (Heroic) to NAPOLEON in 1804
    he removed the title page he dedicated to Napoleon the IMPERIAL who renamed it
    SINFONIA EROICA ( composta per festeggiare il sowenire di un grand uomo) in english
    composed to celebrate the memory of a great man.....

    He was an Oliva complexion man a GERMAN from BONN and he's not BLACK
    his hair was not kinky of of wool but a curl streight redish blond the two sided Mask
    of Beethoven are viewed differently but often falsely that raise issues from the structure
    of the mask .

    I have no doubt in my mind that Beethoven was Black until proven otherwise

    No he's not Black nor do he have any afrocentric ties .
     
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    Beethoven......

    That all depends on what is considered Black. There were plenty of Black or mixed Black people born in Germany. Germany is as white as white can get, so him being mixed with it; it can easily dominate the Black in him, being that his mother may have been mixed. I have seen plenty of mixed folks who barely look Black, but it showed up in their children, or grandchildren. He was a great composer loved by all races, but I don't understand the difficulty in people to admitting he was 1/2 Black(mulatto).
     
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    To my knowledge, Beethoven has not claimed any Black identity whatsoever. Without claiming anything especially when he looks white, most would probably think he was white.
     
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    panafrica Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    What is the purpose behind the movement to "blackinize" every person who the white man believes is of historical significance?
     
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    It depends on how you define Black, whether you use the one-drop rule or some other way.

    For example,

    one-third of White Americans do have detectable African DNA from ancestors who passed through the color line from Black to White


    Only a dozen or so genes encode for the handful of physical traits that Americans consider "racially" important (skin tone, hair curliness, nose width, and the like).[4] Many studies have demonstrated that those few genes are so ephemeral that they can vanish in just two or three generations, producing physically European-looking individuals even from biracial parents

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passing_for_white
     
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    Beethoven was no way black their was nothing from such DNA
    that pose him as black / in any way he was a white German
    his parents was not mixed he was not 1/2 black(mulatto)........

    Through every study and from both side of the mask structured
    nothing link him to or as afrocentric , even from locks of his hair
    has stated it wasn't black !
     
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    Bisabee Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    My daughter, a school nurse, just reminded me that she brought home a book a couple of years ago about Beethoven's ancestry. I'll have to dig it out from wherever it is and I'll post some info.
     
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    Unless Beethoven had a Black mother and a Black father, he wasn't Black.
     
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    Oh Gosh Sister Blak ... you finna start a riot up in here!

    :heart:

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