Black People Politics : Voting: The Illusion of Choice "HOT TOPIC"

[IPXninja]

No this is different, IPXninja.

According to the wording of Amendment 24: Section 3:

"...only Congress can remove the disqualification by a two-thirds vote..."

Explaining Donald Trump’s 14th Amendment case at the Supreme Court | Constitution Center

On Feb. 8, 2024, the Supreme Court will hear arguments in a potentially historic case that could affect former President Donald Trump’s efforts to run for election this year. The case, Donald J. Trump v. Norma Anderson, will turn on an interpretation of the Section 3 of the 14th Amendment of...

constitutioncenter.org

The supreme court does not trump all states. Congress has the final say.

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my background education on the constitution used to be very thin and edgy.

Dang, it's like everything else that Eye have self-gathered in adulthood and that is, Eye have had to go back and re-learn what Eye was vaguely taught, smh.

Better late than never...because self education is the boost best qualified to bump up the process of relearning.

Dear IPXninja, Eye am not sure if you even like Malcolm X, but here it goes:

"...Of all our studies, history is best qualified to reward our research..."

If this defacto government cannot follow its own rules what good is it?

I could have almost agreed with you on this but check this out...

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-719_19m2.pdf

We granted former President Trump’s petition for certiorari, which raised a singlequestion: “Did the Colorado Supreme Court err in orderingPresident Trump excluded from the 2024 presidential primary ballot?

Do you see the trick here? The court gave Trump's lawyers special treatment by allowing them to reduce the question down to one. This way they did not have to relitigate the whole Jan 6 mess or determine if Trump was guilty. All they had to do was boil everything down to the singular question of whether or not the Colorado court fk'd up.

Concluding that it did, we now reverse.

So yeah... that is the Supreme Court saying F you to the whole thing. On page 5 you will see how they accepted the argument that the amendment can't be applied to the President. Since the Colorado Supreme Court got its decision reversed (because Federal Supreme court trumps all others) Congress has nothing to do with this because his name can't be pulled off the ballot in the first place. The supreme court is really jacked up right now. But that's also why its important to vote because the current president is the one who gets to pick the people that make these decisions. By Trump winning previously, we can see how his Supreme Court has acted in his interest as well as other Trump appointed judges. I'm not saying, and I think this is important to clarify, that voting is the end all be all and we need not do anything else. What I'm saying is that voting is a big part of everything we need to do in order to both gain and maintain power.

 

[IPXninja]

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Dear IPXninja, Eye am not sure if you even like Malcolm X, but here it goes:

"...Of all our studies, history is best qualified to reward our research..."

If this defacto government cannot follow its own rules what good is it?

And yes, of course, I am more Malcolm than a Fan of Martin. However, I want you to understand that things can change because everything is fluid. The courts didn't used to be this bad. They got worse. So please understand that things can get worse while we're trying to figure out some new strategy. That's why we were rooting for RBG to simply not die long enough that a Democrat could replace her. And the reason is not because Democrats are so good for black people; but because Republicans are so BAD for black people. The rules of the government are equally in flux. It's not about them breaking their own rules. It's about who gets to make AND interpret the rules. If we let Republicans (in their current form) make AND interpret all the rules we will LOSE and I mean both the country and the black community specifically. Dr. Claude Anderson did say in the video you shared early in the thread that Republicans had no interest in helping black people. And we know it's more than that.

They are the only party that doesn't want us to vote or participate in this democracy. Black people in their party are only tokens, paraded out in true identity politics fashion because they are only allowed "out there" in the media because they are "black" conservatives. Republicans want people to think black people are willing to vote with them evil while making voting more difficult for us. They're not putting those black people in the media because they actually want to give them real power. That's why after all the butt kissing Trump picks JD Vance over Tim Scott. And I knew Ben Carson wasn't going to get it. Trump put a doctor at the head of Housing and Urban Development. Why not something that has to do with public health? Because he doesn't trust him in his own field. Images of Trump's actual white house looked like the graduating class of some rural town in Idaho, not a place as diverse as D.C. or America in general. So when it comes to power, Republicans only use black people to keep power for themselves by not looking quite as racist as black people fully know they are.

Anderson also said that he didn't vote but his recommendation (at the time) was that black people must vote as a single block for a single candidate-the best candidate who said they would do something for us. I have been saying the same thing on this site during the Biden presidency. I especially wanted people to give a fair hearing to Ice Cube and the plan for black America. I read it. It's good. But for it to work we have to start voting as an independent party, not stop voting at all. No, we need to get back to the strategies of Malcolm X and Dr King. Which party were they? They had the same attitude that Anderson was trying to get us to have.

So at the time he endorsed Bloomberg. So he was telling us TO VOTE but to be smart with that vote. This is exactly what we're talking about. We're not saying eyes closed simply vote blue. That's why I didn't vote blue in 2016 but ONLY because I knew Hillary didn't have a chance of winning my state anyway. But I didn't sit out. I still voted because I wanted the Democrats to see my vote and that they didn't get it. So stop putting these corporate democrat candidates on the ticket and assuming we're simply going to back them no matter what because they're blue team. But if anything, they need to see us come out in force to support black candidates. Because this is what conditions them into believing that both candidates AND policies CAN BE BLACK. If we show them that we can't or wont even support our own people there is no way they're going to take our policies seriously.

We're also saying that we cannot afford for Red to keep winning and gaining ground in our public institutions. They are the ones we are fighting when it comes to institutional or "systemic" racism. It's not some mysterious third party. It's THEM. This isn't to say that there aren't racist democrats. Trump was one of them before he switched parties. But we know this. All we are saying is that we need to vote as a block as a united front against the guy who was endorsed by David Duke. Why would we ever want to let the KKK pick for president win over a black woman??

And yes, I know you have some issues with Kamala as a prosecutor. But there is more at stake than her tough on crime record. I don't know about your family but I have girls and my wife has grandchildren of both genders. If it wasn't for the State they could have easily lost crucial rights because of Trump and these White Christian Nationalists. They are the ones we should be fighting against. Not each other.

 

[IPXninja]

Geez - trump-dump is a living, walking, breathing --hot mess! Eye had no idea that what happened on January 6, 2021 would escalate --mainly because Eye never memorized the constitution...!

Messy trump-dump is barking up the wrong tree this time --asking for immunity for unorthodox actions he created during office. So technically, was he in office when he inspired the now infamous insurrection of January 06, 2024. The answer is no. He had already lost the race. He knew this was the day that the official ballot count would take place at the Capital. He made that speech ---like the dictator he is --and then he sent his mindless minions off to disrupt a traditional-defacto process.

Eye don't care how yt people try to 'splain it away -- the entire act from start to finish was treasonous, almost destructive, and foul.

This election year is gonna be a little different because of the pink elephant in the room...Amendment 14:Section 3.

Some have bashed me for my stance on refusing to vote, which is fine, because everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

This is actually a good post and this is one of those times I WISH you were correct.

Your point that "he had already lost the race" is very interesting. However, sad to say it's not legally strong. Here's why:

Google: The 20th Amendment to the Constitution, adopted in 1933, moved the beginning and ending of the terms of the president and vice president from March 4 to January 20, thereby also shortening the transition period. After the election, an outgoing president is commonly referred to as a lame-duck president.

So even though you are correct that Trump KNEW he lost, he was still technically president until power was officially transferred. So yes, he was still the official president on Jan 6th. He may be a lame duck but he's still president. Technically speaking Biden is also now a lame duck because he knows he's not getting re-elected (and so do his enemies which is what makes it "lame").

And for clarification: if YOU personally don't want to vote that's fine. I am not bashing you for that. I have been calling you on the carpet for trying to get other people to your same opinion and during a very critical time. My response to you would be totally different if the race was boring white dude v. boring white dude. However, I would still have to consider things like Supreme Court picks and such. That's not enough to make me passionate about supporting one side. I can take a few sacrifices if it means waking up the Democrats (republicans are simply too racist) to see that they need to have a black agenda if they want black votes. That is what I want. However... now is not the time. We need to recognize that. The danger with Trump is on a different level. Where the white Christian Nationals are right now is on a different level. The backlash against black, brown, and gay people is on a different level.

There WILL be a time and opportunity for us to put together a new strategy. I've talked about this in a way that did not help me make friends here. But I stand by what I said before. We cannot keep blindly voting for one party without getting anything for it. But you NEVER want to stop voting because uncounted votes don't send a message other than apathy and that you don't care what they do! Not voting does not send the message that you care about what happens in the future. But you do care. I can see that. There are certain things you want.

BUT... at the same time... those "things" we want? Are very specific things that we as a community need. However... we also have needs that are on the basis of us being Americans and living in America and having to deal with racism. If Democrats lose its not like some magical new third party is going to win. It's going to be Republicans. And we just got a wake up call from Trump about what they want and are willing to do in order to take the country back in time. Black people do need ECONOMIC JUSTICE. We do. But we also need the regular garden variety JUSTICE and garden variety economic development. And we have to protect our future ability to have a bigger impact on those black issues by making sure that when it comes time to pitch those things we're not doing it to a room full of white men who have all the power. Republicans don't like "identity politics" but not for the reasons they say. They don't like it because they don't want our voices heard on the floor or being put on the record. Which means their opposition doesn't have to be heard or put on the record. No black people in Congress means Congress can be as racist as they want without having to look like it.

And let's use Ander's strategy of buying and renting politicians. You posted this earlier on so you understand. But think about this... the more black people in office, the less votes we would need to buy or rent and more votes that whites would have to buy/rent in order to oppose black agenda issues. Think about it! It's a numbers game. You can't just have people. You have to control votes. And black politicians, like Cori Bush, are the ones making those arguments (Reparations) whites don't want to hear. SO anyone black that white people do not want us voting for?.... is who we should be voting for. Can we agree on that?

 

[Fine1952]

This is actually a good post and this is one of those times I WISH you were correct.

Your point that "he had already lost the race" is very interesting. However, sad to say it's not legally strong. Here's why:

Google: The 20th Amendment to the Constitution, adopted in 1933, moved the beginning and ending of the terms of the president and vice president from March 4 to January 20, thereby also shortening the transition period. After the election, an outgoing president is commonly referred to as a lame-duck president.

So even though you are correct that Trump KNEW he lost, he was still technically president until power was officially transferred. So yes, he was still the official president on Jan 6th. He may be a lame duck but he's still president. Technically speaking Biden is also now a lame duck because he knows he's not getting re-elected (and so do his enemies which is what makes it "lame").

And for clarification: if YOU personally don't want to vote that's fine. I am not bashing you for that. I have been calling you on the carpet for trying to get other people to your same opinion and during a very critical time. My response to you would be totally different if the race was boring white dude v. boring white dude. However, I would still have to consider things like Supreme Court picks and such. That's not enough to make me passionate about supporting one side. I can take a few sacrifices if it means waking up the Democrats (republicans are simply too racist) to see that they need to have a black agenda if they want black votes. That is what I want. However... now is not the time. We need to recognize that. The danger with Trump is on a different level. Where the white Christian Nationals are right now is on a different level. The backlash against black, brown, and gay people is on a different level.

There WILL be a time and opportunity for us to put together a new strategy. I've talked about this in a way that did not help me make friends here. But I stand by what I said before. We cannot keep blindly voting for one party without getting anything for it. But you NEVER want to stop voting because uncounted votes don't send a message other than apathy and that you don't care what they do! Not voting does not send the message that you care about what happens in the future. But you do care. I can see that. There are certain things you want.

BUT... at the same time... those "things" we want? Are very specific things that we as a community need. However... we also have needs that are on the basis of us being Americans and living in America and having to deal with racism. If Democrats lose its not like some magical new third party is going to win. It's going to be Republicans. And we just got a wake up call from Trump about what they want and are willing to do in order to take the country back in time. Black people do need ECONOMIC JUSTICE. We do. But we also need the regular garden variety JUSTICE and garden variety economic development. And we have to protect our future ability to have a bigger impact on those black issues by making sure that when it comes time to pitch those things we're not doing it to a room full of white men who have all the power. Republicans don't like "identity politics" but not for the reasons they say. They don't like it because they don't want our voices heard on the floor or being put on the record. Which means their opposition doesn't have to be heard or put on the record. No black people in Congress means Congress can be as racist as they want without having to look like it.

And let's use Ander's strategy of buying and renting politicians. You posted this earlier on so you understand. But think about this... the more black people in office, the less votes we would need to buy or rent and more votes that whites would have to buy/rent in order to oppose black agenda issues. Think about it! It's a numbers game. You can't just have people. You have to control votes. And black politicians, like Cori Bush, are the ones making those arguments (Reparations) whites don't want to hear. SO anyone black that white people do not want us voting for?.... is who we should be voting for. Can we agree on that?

Okay. No offense taken. And yes Eye read every word. Not sure why you aren't a politician. You are very wordy. Me, Eye am direct and straight to the mf point.

The lame dock part is plausible. IMHO Trump would have had a better chance NOW if he had only held his tongue and been patient. Instead he created an insurrection bigger than the Civil War, smh.

Its okay. Eye am standing firm on my 6 bullet points that are primed and ready for a platform bc these point are 100% in l alignment with our needs.

1. Where is the demand for that hate crime bill we so desperately need?

2. Where is the demand for better housing that we so desperately need?

3. Where is the demand for better education that our children so desperately need?

4. Where is the demand for better hiring and employment practices that we so desperately need?

5. Where is the demand for more business opportunities that we so desperately need?

6. Where is the demand for the return of the land that belongs to US?

Technically Trump did lose the 2020 race for POTUS. The insurrection occurred because Trump refused to accept defeat.

2020 Electoral College Results

President Joseph R. Biden Jr. [D] Main Opponent Donald J. Trump [R] Electoral Vote Winner: 306 Main Opponent: 232 Total/Majority: 538/270 Vice President Kamala D. Harris [D] V.P. Opponent: Michael R.

www.archives.gov

Biden: 306
Trump: 232

2020 Electoral College Results​

President	Joseph R. Biden Jr. [D]
Main Opponent	Donald J. Trump [R]
Electoral Vote	Winner: 306	Main Opponent: 232	Total/Majority: 538/270
Vice President	Kamala D. Harris [D]
V.P. Opponent:	Michael R. Pence [R]

 

[ogoun]

All we're saying is just admit you're settling, JFP did, Ogun did, PreciseALLah suggests the same.

I won't speak for anyone else but settling is NOT what my vote/s are.
It's true that many times that vote comes down to strictly a pragmatic decision but that is hardly 'settling'. Like in 2016, if I thought there was any chance it would win I'd rather voted for that potted plant on my window sill than Clinton but as Clinton was the only one that had any chance at all.............I held my nose.
It was a pragmatic decision and not settling.
Because what was in the balance was the SCOTUS as well as at least 1/3 to 1/2 of the entire judiciary system thanks to that MoFo M. McConnell where a bunch of non voters in the midterms allowed him to take complete control of the Senate.
Strictly pragmatic. Strictly pragmatic.