Black People : Voting Right Act In Danger

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  1. Kamau47

    Kamau47 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Color me surprised.

    As it were, this is a 'nation of laws.' If the laws are changed, the laws are changed. "Gains" today can be "Losses" tomorrow. That's why Politics is so important. Technically, Black Political control could invite wonderful changes. It's just on the one hand we don't know it and on the other many Whites wouldn't allow it.
     
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    VRA actually needs to go. It has been almost 50 years. Black president twice elected.. it can no longer be justified. And.. we don't need it. If you look at the states where the VRA is implemented, those states are all still controlled by the right... which means.. the right has built their machine on top of the VRA. For example, not requiring ID to vote in Texas.. of course they have made use of that insecurity.

    Looking at the court, I think it's going to be thrown out 5-4.. and when it does, absolutely nothing will happen. And, if you look at in context, the GOP will be weaker as a result of the repeal. The only reason they requested to repeal the VRA in the first place was to interfere with this November's election.. they hoped to suppress the vote through a last minute voting requirement's change. But that failed.. and now the context is different. Obama has won by a landslide.. and it's 2 years before the next election.. that's plenty of time for everyone to get their ID situation straight. But all of those right wing states have now given up the right to manipulate the VRA rules for their own benefit.. and any change to the voting rules will be subject to public scrutiny. I see the whole thing as them shooting themselves in the foot.


    States, counties and townships affected by the VRA:

    States

    Counties

    Townships

    source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act#States
     
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    This possibility has been in the works before Obama was elected so I am not sure that his election would justify doing away with the Voting Righrs Act.

    As far as demographics is concerned, voter turnout in many of the southern states is well below the population, as far as African Americans are concerned. However, voting trends in recent election indicate that the outcome of presidential elections come down to the battleground states, and take away Florida and Virginia, Obama loses.

    My concern is in regards to local and state elections which can be more divisive, and intimidation and violence against non white voters could be the deciding factors. It seems to me that the VRA is doing no more harm than good.

    These white reactionaries want to set the clock back to Jim Crow and i see no reason to allow them without a fight.
     
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    I disagree. Yes, it is still necessary.

    Even though gone are the days of "literacy tests" and "grandfather clauses" and other "Jim Crow" anti-voting tactics, "THEY" still try to get around the VRA.>>>>

    Shelby County, AL and other states under the VRA wanna use the same "argument" YOU ARE as JUSTIFICATION. But, what they REALLY want is to be able to do whatever they want, UN-CHECKED.

    "Why we still gotta be under this "Voting Rights Bill?....Yall gotta Black President, TWICE!.....Geez! What else do yall want?!"
     
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    I'm familiar with the Shelby case.. and I'm aware that other's want to see the VRA go, but I assure you our reasons and intentions are not the same.

    that said..

    The point here is not that racism still exists, for racism will always exist.. the point here is that non-whites are not disenfranchised at a level sufficient to justify the continued the unequal treatment of States. It's really a States rights issue.

    Whether you agree with that or not, at some point, these per-state per-county restrictions are going to have to come off and each State will have to be treated equally. If we learned anything from the Hayes-Tilden compromise, it's that we cannot rely on the Federal Government to keep us. And just like other well-intentioned social programs that stunt our growth and development as a community by short-circuiting our need to come together, I believe this kind of outdated and piece-meal legislation holds back our political growth and development as a community in 2012. At some point, we are going to have to rise to meet the challenges of our predicaments even in those places where the Federal referees are not looking. We need to be just as galvanized and energized and excited and organized about Local and State Government as we are about the Federal Government.

    The VRA was about the climate in '65 when black folks were completely helpless, isolated, disenfranchised and unprotected by State law.. it was a time where folks were being murdered and whole communities were being intimidated to keep them from expressing their political power..
    The VRA was about transitioning from that condition. And that condition has truly passed. And that does not mean that racism is dead or that folks won't try to suppress voters and divide power-bases, of course they will.. that is the nature of Politics in America.

    There will always be racists, and there are States where racists operate and try all kinds of things.. and none of those states are on the VRA list. What is it that keeps the black vote from being disenfranchised in those, as you say, "unchecked" States? Or a better question, what happens when the Attorney General is a red state Republican? How many lawsuits of this kind were brought by the Federal Government during the 20 combined years of the Reagan-Bush-Bush era?

    Under the VRA, all they would have to do is change the districts while they have a sympathetic Administration in power.. and once those lines are set, that same VRA holds those lines in place by requiring Federal approval before being moved again without catching a case. And in that way, the VRA becomes a tool for exactly what it is supposed to prevent. Redistricting is an issue all over the union.. not just in red States. Politics is a dirty, competitive business and the only protection from being maneuvered into a disadvantaged position is an active, alert and engaged electorate. We have to organize ourselves politically and stop allowing the government to hold us up. We will never develop the Political legs to hold the full weight or our body politic if we keep allowing the Federal government to prop us up. It has been almost half a Century.. 50 years.. we have made political progress in this country.. and yes.. a twice elected black president.. black attorney general.. black surgeon General.. black director of NASA.. does matter. Those gains are an indication of both social and political progress. It's time for us to stand up and walk on our own two feet.

    It would be a shame to spend this 8 years of Obama's presidency still huddled together and cowering beneath the wing of the Federal government. This next 4 years represents an opportunity for Black people to raise-up and organize ourselves into the alert, active, engaged electorate that we need to be in order to to survive long-term in this Country.

    That's why I say, the VRA should die.. and so should section 8.. and every other program that encourages and facilitates black people living in such a way and developing attitudes and behaviors that run contrary to what we need, as a people, to take hold of our own destiny and realize our true power in this country.


    - That's how I see it, and I think that's how the court will see it.. We will soon see.

    - Peace.


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    skuderjaymes

    Brother SJ, I'm aware of the on-going "battle/feud" between you and Bro. Kemetstry on the issue of "white supremacy/racism-v-Black accomplishment, etc...

    Often, I have read you telling others to "update their rhetoric."

    But, perhaps, you, too, should reflect on your "rhetoric," tempering/tweaking it a bit.

    No offense meant....I'm jus' sayn.

    I've agreed with Kemestry on some areas and with you on some others....Perhaps, there no one, blanket "rhetoric" to be claimed on either side.

    Sure, As a People, we've made great strides; and because of those strides and leaps, THEY want us to believe that we have "over-come" so we'll "lower our guard," become a little more "complacent" while they continue to plot behind our backs.

    I think of the Voting Rights Bill and ACT like our "defense" in a football game, a military formation, or the "bastion" of a fort....Once any area of that "defense" is compromised, then we are left open to ATTACK.

    ...If any part of the VRA is taken away, THAT will be JUST the "weakest link" THEY have been waiting for.

    White supremacy/racism is still very alive and well striving to hinder/be a "stumbling block" in our way, by any means necessary....just like in Shelby County, AL.
     
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    ....Ooops...I didn't see your post at first.

    But, any-who (lol), I can agree with some of your statements; but I would have to see a VERY convincing, DO-ABLE "proposal/model" of such "change" for me to support abolishing the VRA.

    Until then, I'm standing on it cuz them white folks is just waitin' to be able to POUNCE!

    Now, I'm not literally callin' 'em "devils" but, figuratively, their track record is the same for me.>>>

    1 Peter 5:
    [8] Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
     
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    It is quite obvious that there is a large group oh white people thats going to do something real stupid, in the name of freedom or whatever. As time goes on and they see themselves becoming less viable, thry will react in a reactionary fashion





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