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Omowale Jabali

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As Black people we can't afford to throw away any one of us--young or old and anyone in between.

I have a great amount of respect for our Black youth, even if I don't always agree with some of the choices they make, and tell them so.

I have no desire to take away anyone's right to make choices. But I do believe it's important (for me it's almost an obligation) to share what I've learned through experience, with younger people, whenever the opportunity presents itself. However, I believe it's important not to "preach at" anyone and to never give advice unless it's asked for. That's something I consciously work on.

I don't believe it should be an expectation for younger people to seek out or hold people in reverence just because they're older, but whenever I'm treated with respect and viewed as an elder, it is a good feeling and it makes me want to be a better example, as a result.

I believe it's important to build community among Black people whereby we understand and appreciate the value of our people in all age groups.

I believe it's possible to build upon the past, incrementally, to improve our situations and circumstances with each generation.

Very well stated. Some among us seem to think that because they are older, this means they should automatically be respected by our youth, but what do they have to offer when they come across as old and bitter?

Plenty of old fools out here who the youth are afraid of. Because of the way they carry themselves and their own backwardness.
 

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I'm not claiming anything. This brings me to a question I have been thinking about posting as a thread.

Why are some of you so critical of our youth?

Do you have children and if so, are you a positive influence on their lives?


Some of you come across as anti-youth. My perspective is different because I work with youth as a profession. And when I'm not on the job it is the youth who I mostly network with.

So, in terms of "not buying what they're selling" what is it you have to offer our youth that's making a positive impact upon their lives?
Nobody has the same rapport or take with our youth and/or youth at risk...

So what works for you, may not work for the rest of us...

It is when we're asked or expected to always be down with whatever they're into, i. e., however wrongheaded or thoughtless that tends to be, I and others have to be candid and honest, since when I was their age, some things were an automatic no no, like cursing out those white folk etc. who have arrest powers, have badges, carry guns, etc.

Some folks antics ad naseum I can't just dismiss as their 'right' youthful rebellion, i. e., as in to exibite disrespect
to black adults in particular, other adults in general, all the while they cry about being hassled by da man, etc.

I don't appreciate being played cheap or being taken for granted, no matter who it is...

Let's do keep it real, bruh...

FYI...
 

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I didn't get the impression that anyone who posted in this thread was "anti-youth." Critical of, perhaps, but not against. And critical of not youth, per se, but of the youthful conceit of "knowing it all." This 'criticism' is leveled at every generation of youth. I smile when I see the 1920's book title "The New Negro," as if the 'youth' of that age felt they were so 'jake' (I think that's the word they used, that we now call 'cool'), so different, so far "advanced" in strategies for the survival and prosperity of the race of the older generations, they left them in the dust! :lol:

Btw, just to be clear - when I speak of youth, I'm talking about teens and twentysomethings. Thirtysomething is the cut-off for being "young." And once you reach 35, you're not young at all, you're middleaged.
I don't find that most youth believe they have all of the answers, and some tend believe it's up to us adults in general, activists in particular, to resolve all of our peoples issues/problems/etc.

If anything, some remain in awe of what the generations of the fifties and sixties were about, and they have yet to measure up to those standards etc.

FYI...
 

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Of course, we who have been a part of earlier generations, come away disappointed and frustrated, to what is unbelievable apathy etc, among too many of today's youth...

Thing is: Some who defend them don't make a clear distinction, i. e., between what this nation's mainstays hype as their preferred take, as in mere youthful rebellion as a right of passage for most youth, as opposed to the examples presented by the young Civil Rights activists, and/or the Panthers, etc.

As in: Don't prey on and do strive to make where you live a better place than you found it...

Also as I recall, I grew up in a neighborhood, not a slum...

What is up with 'being down in (with) the hood', i. e., acting and reacting as though today's youth gangs are the same as the reformed ones who founded the Oakland Panthers etc.?

Sigh...

No easy ways out...

Folk need to do their homework...

FYI
 

Omowale Jabali

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Nobody has the same rapport or take with our youth and/or youth at risk...

So what works for you, may not work for the rest of us...

It is when we're asked or expected to always be down with whatever they're into, i. e., however wrongheaded or thoughtless that tends to be, I and others have to be candid and honest, since when I was their age, some things were an automatic no no, like cursing out those white folk etc. who have arrest powers, have badges, carry guns, etc.

Some folks antics ad naseum I can't just dismiss as their 'right' youthful rebellion, i. e., as in to exibite disrespect
to black adults in particular, other adults in general, all the while they cry about being hassled by da man, etc.

I don't appreciate being played cheap or being taken for granted, no matter who it is...

Let's do keep it real, bruh...

FYI...

Before you can keep it real, you have to get real first.

I asked a few questions. Did you answer even one? No. Instead, you come back with more rhetoric.

I keep it real with the youth. And I'm gonna keep it that way. Despite your rants.
 

Omowale Jabali

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Of course, we who have been a part of earlier generations, come away disappointed and frustrated, to what is unbelievable apathy etc, among too many of today's youth...

Thing is: Some who defend them don't make a clear distinction, i. e., between what this nation's mainstays hype as their preferred take, as in mere youthful rebellion, as opposed to the examples presented by the young Civil Rights activists, and/or the Panthers, etc.

As in: Don't prey on and do strive to make where you live a better place than you found it...

Also as I recall, I grew up in a neighborhood, not a slum...

What is up with 'being down in (with) the hood', i. e., acting and reacting as though today's youth gangs are the same as the reformed ones who founded the Oakland Panthers etc.?

Sigh...

No easy ways out...

Folk need to do their homework...

FYI

You have got to be joking. "Apathy" of our youth?

You clearly are out of touch. It's some of you "elders" who are dead weighting our youth with your apathy and failure to provide positive direction.
 

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Before you can keep it real, you have to get real first.

I asked a few questions. Did you answer even one? No. Instead, you come back with more rhetoric.

I keep it real with the youth. And I'm gonna keep it that way. Despite your rants.
First of all, you can choose to believe whatever you please, and then there's the truth...

Yes, you have many positive qualities, but nobody is above criticism, etc.

You dare to imply and suggest others who don't feel as you dont deserve your props?

Shame on you too!

Quit tripping and I'm not quitting!!

SMH
 

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lol I find it hard that some of you have ANY rapport with youth at all or that any youth takes you seriously, especially how some of you have already deemed the youth as being hopeless and doomed failures (more or less) in past discussions in regards to them.
 

chuck

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You have got to be joking. "Apathy" of our youth?

You clearly are out of touch. It's some of you "elders" who are dead weighting our youth with your apathy and failure to provide positive direction.
The issue and problem is sometime back you quit evolving/growing/etc., or you wouldn't just being reacting, instead of responding to new challenges, with inspiring comebacks, not attitude b. s. and/or cheap shots ad naseum etc.

I. e., only a collective approaches can and will resolve our peoples issues/problems/etc., and one leads by their own examples, etc.

FYI...
 

chuck

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lol I find it hard that some of you have ANY rapport with youh at all or that any youth takes you seriously, especially how some of you have already deemed the youth as being hopeless and doomed failures (more or less) in past discussions in regards to them.
Time and again, folks like you complain about white folks stereotyping us, and now you typecast other posters, whose takes are no less a reflection of our empathy/sympathy/etc. for our youth, though I suggest some of us are being a tad bit more for real about than you are?

Black on black youth violence isn't something I and others just made up:

It's the regrettable stuff we continue to see news reports on the evening TV shows about...

A case study:

Consider the bloodbath which just plagued Chicago's memorial day weekend...

SMH...
 

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