Black People : Untold Black History: The Moors & Myths Surrounding The Slavery Holocaust Pt.1

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    riveting! Informative! Astonishing!

    It is so true that 'Black Indians' were sold from America to Africa!

    And it is so true and such a trick in regards to the term 'asiatics' being applied to Black Africa especially as was brought out that 'the ancient Kemet people called their stauchest enemies 'asiatics'. For the people of Morroco to began calling themselves 'non-black asiatics' is so amazing when the history is so well documented that ancient Kemet regarded the Asiatics as their WORST ENEMIES BY FAR! Man! What a trick!!!

    But, I would like to address some issues in this blog;

    *I think it was said that some of the 'Black' [Negro 'Indians'] that were sold from Americas to Europe and Africa had names like 'Juan' and 'Ali', but it is to my understanding that both of these names 'originally' applied to 'White' [Asiatic-typed] people of the east [Mongol people].

    *I think it said something about the Mayans and how they related to the Moors over here in America, but based on my research 'some of the Mayans are also considered to be Moors too'. i think Hannibal was mentioned and during that ancient time period, certain Moors attached to the name of and dynasty of MAGO [MAGOG] also journeyed down into West Africa too, not just during the time after 1000 ad and they intermixed with the inhabitants at that time too.
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    About 4.42 minutes into this blog, I so appreciated the history about how it was said that 'the Moors in Spain sold Black women like commodities but they called the White women 'perfection of beauties' and that 'Moors had an affinity with blond haired blue eyed women...' Based on my research this is 'the Worship of Ashteroth' that goes way back in time and comes from the 'Blacks' that migrated from the east with the white [Asiatic] people they worshiped.

    About 5.13 minutes into this blog; it was said that 'the Moors tortured the Black people they enslaved into saying we were Asiatic Moors as opposed to Black Afrikans' and this movement was dated to happen in 1591 and I appreciated hearing this 'conditioning' and absolutely agree. I also hope that it will soon be brought out and STRESSED that many of these kind of Moors were 'Blacks that came from the east with White [Asiatic] people that they worshiped'. And they came in migratory waves from the east over the course of time that stretches back thousands of years even way before the time of Hannibal [Channibal].

    *The very name 'Khan' and 'Chan' and 'Ghan' is connected to some history from the kind of 'Black' people [Mixed Black people] that came from eastern lands with similar names that can be seen in names today like 'AFGHANISTAN' [AF-GHAN], and Ghengis KHAN. Some of these Moors called themselves 'Black Asiatics' because that probably what they were, and they forced this on the indigenous people of Africa. So yes, as the blog revealed, these kind of moors and even today, Moors try to trick us into saying that 'we are Moors'. Wow! Amazing!
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    This blog stated that in 1000 ad Moors bonded with Whites to conquer west Africa, and I so believe this. Therefore in this blog two or three significant dates were offered about Moors operating against the indigenous people of Africa; (1) the time of Hannibal, (2) 1000s ad, and (3) 1591, and maybe more.

    I think it's important to also remember that 1000s ad was THE CRUSADES, a time when White 'Christians' were competing with the muslims and etc. and what i recognize that there was a agreement going on between the White 'Christians' and the 'Red government' and some Moors were helping the cause on both sides.


    *Lastly; I absolutely do not agree with the author cited in his definition of the Hyksos including 'Israelites' because the Hyksos people were attached to history FIRMLY in regards to their technology in connection with 'horse and chariots' and this puts apart of their history in the northeastern Hittite civilization where this trade was situated, and the israelites had no connection with it at tthat time period. I do agree that the hyksos were a mixture of people as they migrated from the northeast into the west into certain areas and intermingled with certain 'Black' people.
    And, I don't agree with the information about 'the Hashashins' being postive in relation to the moors, because their history goes all the way back to being 'infiltrators' into 'Black Babylon' [Kemet] in which they acted just like the Moors and cut down those Black kings and men of Black Babylon. So they maybe against the Moors, but they have a similar history. Based on my research the Hashashins come from the northeast area of South Russia and were a system of White Supremacist of whom used their 'Blacks' to take down 'the Sumerians' [Black Babylonians] and, they have a history in which they exploited little 'Black' boys and raised them to be 'assassins' hence 'hashashins' and they got the infiltrators 'high' on 'HASHISH' [Hemp, marijuana...] to infiltrate, befriend the Sumerians, inter-mix with them and then overthrow them...

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    This blog does say that 'some of the Mayans' were Moors, of which was what I mentioned.

    But the dates offered seem to me to be too far up in time and don't clarify what happened before such things as Mansa Musa in 1311, like the first blog did. It speaks about the Morrocan treaty but my question would be about the kind of 'Moors' at that time in the late 1700s when this treaty was made. By this time, wouldn't these kind of Moors have been intermixed and somewhat 'watered down'? the treaty was said that it was made in 1788. Even still, the information is amazing and makes me think.

    What a trick! So after 1776, New World Order, the Moors of Morroco sign a treaty with the White Supremacist system in 1787-1788! Wow! Mind Bowing!

    I absolutely believe that many Dogons were in America long before the European Movement.
     
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    I now know the TRUTH in the statement that "Knowledge is Power". In regards to the information provided in the videos, it seems half truths can be potentially more dangerous that striaghtout lies and falsehood.

    For example, trying to blame "Moors" for the slave trade and selling of Native Africans in America into slavery in Africa is really a stretch. This is not to say it did not happen but to make this into a Morocco "Moorish" struggle against "West Africans", many of whom were also Islamic or "Muslim" (Or is it "Moslem"?) is not exactly how things went down.

    for example, there are several forums here which have explained the early African presence in America prior to Columbus and his voyages. This takes us to what are referenced as the "Malian Moors" or the (ironically) KEITA CLAN.
     
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    Sundiata Keita, Sundjata Keyita, Mari Djata I or just Sundiata (pronounced: soon-jah-tuh) (c. 1217 – c. 1255) was the founder of the Mali Empire and celebrated as a hero of the Mandinka people of West Africa in the semi-historical Epic of Sundiata. Sundiata is also known by the name Sogolon Djata. The name Sogolon is taken from his mother, daughter of the buffalo woman (so called because of her ugliness and hunchback), and Jata, meaning "lion." A common Mande naming practice combines the mother's name with the personal name to give Sonjata or Sunjata. The last name Keita is a clan name more than a surname. The story of Sundiata is primarily known through oral tradition, transmitted by generations of traditional Mandinka griots. Sundiata was the son of Nare and Sogolon Conde. Growing up, the Mandinkas were conquered by king Soumaoro Kanté of the Ghana Empire. He devoted his life to building an army to overthrow the king and liberating his homeland. When he was older and had a strong army, Sundiata did overthrow the king and became king of the Mali Empire. He understood that if he were to have a kingdom, he would need it to be prosperous as to keep strong. He had crops such as beans and rice, grown and soon introduced cotton. With the crops selling, the Mali Empire became very wealthy. Sundiata supported religion and soon took the title Mansa. After he died, many rulers also took the title mansa, to show their role and authority in society.

    The Keita Dynasty ruled pre-Imperial and Imperial Mali from the 12th century into the early 17th century. It was a Muslim Dynasty, and its rulers claimed descent from Bilal. Bilal was a freed slave who accepted Islam and became one of the Sahabas of the Prophet Muhammad. Bilal bears the distinction of being the first muezzin in Islam. According to Mandinka traditionalist accounts passed down by djelis (oral chroniclers), Bilal had seven sons of which one settled in Manden. This son, Lawalo, had a son named Latal Kalabi, who later sired Damul Kalabi. Damul Kalabi's son was Lahilatoul and the first faama of Niani. It is through Lahilatoul that the Keita clan becomes a ruling dynasty, though only over the small area around Niani. There would be nine Faamas of Niani prior to the founding of the Great Mali Empire. Its first mansa would be the famous Sundiata Keita. A couple of generations after him his great-nephew, Mansa Musa I of Mali, made a celebrated pilgrimage to Mecca which established his reputation as the richest man of his day. The Dynasty he belonged to remained a major power in West Africa from 1235 until the breakup of the Mali Empire around 1610. Rivals from within the clan founded smaller Kingdoms within contemporary Mali and Guinea. Of the members of these modern daughter dynasties, the late politician Modibo Keita and the musician Salif Keita are arguably the most famous.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keita_Dynasty

    As far as the Mayans or Aztecs are concerned they were descendants of the Malian Moors, also known as OLMECS. This means that there were Malian Moors about 1000 years before the advent or rise of Islam.

    http://pointingbird.tripod.com/lostfeatherintl/id64.htm

    Te point is thus. Far from being an "Untold Black History" there is actually an abundance of historical data which gives evidence of these various historical connections but one has to do extensive research in order to straighten out the multitude of lies which are told to obfuscate the truth.

    In fact the word "Moor" was later referenced became identified with "Morocco" but that is not the etymology of the word which existed long before the nation now known as Morocco.

    A Muur is a Moor is a Mor.By the etmology of the word Muur what does it mean?Mu Le Murie was the land and we "moors" are the indigenous people of the land.There is no government or society that predates ours.We are the first.We populated this entire planet and through us came all that is.This is not hate but on the contrary it is supreme love.We as indigenous peoples of Moorish descent have been robbed of our knowledge of self,who and what we are to the Earth and all of its inhabitants.We are the parents,we are the progenitors,blood relations to all of the aboriginal.Simple science bears witness to the fact that all life begins in total triple darkness.To the so called Black,Red,Brown and Yellow...Man,we are blood, we are one.Through the use of artful words 99% of the worlds population is in bondage and the shocking part is...." they know not". At the conclusion of the instructions on "HOW TO MAKE A NEGRO",its author stated that,"once the slave masters the language all of our secrets will be revealed and they (slaves) would no longer exist on the level of a slave."To give an example of this knowledge and how it can be useful I offer the following text from lostfeather.com
    American: The term "American" according to U.S. history was supposedly taken from the Italian navigator, Amerigo Vespucci. The truth is that the term, "America" is a two part word (Amer) taken from the French word, "Moor" which were the inhabitants of West Africa (Morocco, Mali). These Africans were also referred to as, "Muur, Mor" and "Morenos" in Spain to mean, "Black." The term, "Moor" is the root word of the Latin term, "Amor" which means, "Beloved" and was the term used in reference to the Moroccan kings who sailed via Spain and became religious leaders of the Vatican. The original Vatican priesthood was African! (Catholic = Cat Holistic or "Holy Cat" of Egypt symbolized by the Sphinx.) The Moroccan priesthood oversaw the Papal government. The term, "Rica" derived from the Middle English word "Ric" to mean "Power realm." Power was determined by bloodline and by wealth, thus the term, "Rich" or "Reich," and referred to the wealthy Moroccans that was depicted in the films, "Casablanca" and "The King and I". The term "American" literally refers to the early inhabitants of this land who wore gold in their noses.

    http://www.trulu.20m.com/rich_text_4.html


    Black Nobility Cover-up

    http://www.hypnotiqueolmecpunch.org/black_nobility_coverup.htm
     
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    A MAJOR part of the problem in this are is those who fail to acknowledge to role of the MALIAN MOORS (KEITA Dynasty or Clan) in the exploration and colonization of Amexem (ie "America") during the pre-Columbian era, who also were Black MUSLIM adherents of Islam, in fact they created in West Africa an ISLAMIC RULING DYNASTY.

    Secondly, in an attempt to deny their own West African ISLAMIC history, some Black people then confuse the Malian Moors with a rival group who are largely responsible for extending rule into Al-Andulus and the Iberian peninsula, which were ETHNICALLY MORE BERBER THAN ARABIC.

    In fact, they had nothing to do with the trans-atlantic trade because their ruling dynasty was short lived.

    The Almoravids (Berber: ⵉⵎⵕⴰⴱⴹⴻⵏ Imṛabḍen, Arabic: المرابطون‎ Al-Murābiṭūn) were a Berber dynasty of Morocco, who formed an empire in the 11th-century that stretched over the western Maghreb and Al-Andalus. Their capital was Marrakesh, a city which they founded in 1062 CE. The dynasty originated amongst the Lamtuna and the Gudala, which were nomadic Berber tribes of the Sahara traversing the territory between southern Morocco, the Niger river and the Senegal river.[1]
    The Almoravids were crucial in avoiding a precipitated fall of Al-Andalus to the Iberian Christian kingdoms, when they decisively beat a coalition of the Castilian and Aragonese armies at the Battle of Sagrajas. This enabled them to control an empire that stretched 3,000 kilometers north to south. However, the rule of the dynasty was relatively short-lived and the Almoravids fell - at the height of their power - when they failed to quell the Masmuda-led rebellion initiated by Ibn Tumart. As a result, their last king Ishaq ibn Ali was killed in Marrakesh in April 1147 CE by the Almohads who replaced them as a ruling dynasty both in Morocco and Al-Andalus.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almoravid_dynasty

    A one can see, the term "Moor" was not even an ethnic term. It was and is a corruption of the following.

    The term "Almoravid" comes from the Arabic "al-Murabitun" (المرابطون) which is the plural form of "al-Murabit" literally meaning "One who is tying" but figuratively means "one who is ready for battle at a fortress". The term is related to the notion of Ribat, a frontier monastery-fortress, through the root r-b-t (ربط "Rabat": to tie or رابط "Raabat": to encamp).[2][3]


    This relates to an ancient WARRIOR-CLASS.
     
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    Almoravid General Abu Bakr

    Does this look like an "Asiatic" or "white arab"?

    In 1056, moving northwards into Morocco, the Almoravids captured the important city of Sijilmasa, the main northern trading centre for West African gold. From there they went further to the north, conquering the rest of Morocco. Then they crossed the straits of Gibraltar, and took over Muslim Spain. A southern part of the Almoravids meanwhile moved south against the Empire of Ghana. Its leader, General Abu-Bakr Ibn-Umar, put himself at the lead of the Berber Confederation, made an alliance with the people of Futa Toro and waged a long war against Ghana.

    In 1054 Abubakr and his men took the city of Audoghast. In 1075 they declared a holy war, or jihad against Ghana. In 1076 after many battles, the Almoravids seized Koumbi Saleh which was the capital of the empire.

    However, these Berber invaders could not hold the lands they had conquered. There were many revolts and much resistance. Abu Bakr was killed while attempting to suppress one of these in 1087. By this time, however, the Ghana Empire had more or less fallen apart. Although the people re-conquered their capital in 1087 and regained their independence, the earlier defeats inflicted on them by the Almoravids weakened them militarily. This military weakness gave he opportunity for states such as Futa Toro, Diara, Kaniage and Silla to seize their moment and achieved their independence. By the start of the 12th century , the ancient Ghana Empire had been reduced to is original metropolitan roots.

    http://www.accessgambia.com/information/ghana-2.html
     
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    Islam in the Empire of Mali

    The influence of Islam in Mali dates back to the 15th century when Al-Bakri mentions the conversion of its ruler to Islam. There was a miserable period of drought which came to an end by offering Muslim prayers and ablutions. The Empire of Mali arose from the ruins of Ghana Empire. There are two important names in the history of Islam in Mali: Sundiata (1230-1255) and Mansa Musa (1312-1337). Sundiata is the founder of the Mali Empire but was a weak Muslim, since he practiced Islam with syncretic practices and was highly disliked by the scholars. Mansa Musa was, on the other hand, a devout Muslim and is considered to be the real architect of the Mali Empire. By the time Sundiata died in 1255, a large number of former dependencies of Ghana also came under his power. After him came Mansa Uli (1255-1270) who had made a pilgrimage to Makkah.
    Mansa (Emperor) Musa came to power in 1312 and his fame reached beyond the Sudan, North Africa and spread up to Europe. Mansa Musa ruled from 1312 to 1337 and in 1324-25 he made his famous pilgrimage to Makkah [Hajj]. When he returned from his pilgrimage, he brought with him a large number of Muslim scholars and architects who built five mosques for the first time with baked bricks. Thus Islam received its greatest boost during Mansa Musa’s reign. Many scholars agree that because of his attachment to Islam, Mansa Musa could introduce new ideas to his administration. The famous traveller and scholar Ibn Batutah came to Mali during Mansa Sulaiman’s reign (1341-1360), and gives an excellent account of Mali’s government and its economic prosperity - in fact, a legacy of Mansa Musa’s policy. Mansa Musa’s pilgrimage projected Mali’s enormous wealth and potentialities which attracted more and more Muslim traders and scholars. These Muslim scholars and traders contributed to the cultural and economic development of Mali. It was during his reign that diplomatic relations were established with Tunis and Egypt, and thus Mali began to appear on the map of the world.

    http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/303/
     
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    A MAJOR part of the problem in this are is those who fail to acknowledge to role of the MALIAN MOORS (KEITA Dynasty or Clan) in the exploration and colonization of Amexem (ie "America") during the pre-Columbian era, who also were Black MUSLIM adherents of Islam, in fact they created in West Africa an ISLAMIC RULING DYNASTY.

    Secondly, in an attempt to deny their own West African ISLAMIC history, some Black people then confuse the Malian Moors with a rival group who are largely responsible for extending rule into Al-Andulus and the Iberian peninsula, which were ETHNICALLY MORE BERBER THAN ARABIC.

    In fact, they had nothing to do with the trans-atlantic trade because their ruling dynasty was short lived.

    The Almoravids (Berber: ⵉⵎⵕⴰⴱⴹⴻⵏ Imṛabḍen, Arabic: المرابطون‎ Al-Murābiṭūn) were a Berber dynasty of Morocco, who formed an empire in the 11th-century that stretched over the western Maghreb and Al-Andalus. Their capital was Marrakesh, a city which they founded in 1062 CE. The dynasty originated amongst the Lamtuna and the Gudala, which were nomadic Berber tribes of the Sahara traversing the territory between southern Morocco, the Niger river and the Senegal river.[1]
    The Almoravids were crucial in avoiding a precipitated fall of Al-Andalus to the Iberian Christian kingdoms, when they decisively beat a coalition of the Castilian and Aragonese armies at the Battle of Sagrajas. This enabled them to control an empire that stretched 3,000 kilometers north to south. However, the rule of the dynasty was relatively short-lived and the Almoravids fell - at the height of their power - when they failed to quell the Masmuda-led rebellion initiated by Ibn Tumart. As a result, their last king Ishaq ibn Ali was killed in Marrakesh in April 1147 CE by the Almohads who replaced them as a ruling dynasty both in Morocco and Al-Andalus.

    Amazing..........and yet you have tried to shoot at me?
     
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