Black People : Until We Understand white supremacy...

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  1. river

    river Watch Her Flow MEMBER

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    What it is and how it works everything else we understand will only confuse us--Dr. Ray Hagins

    First we must understand that all white people are not white supremists but all white people benefit from white supremacy. The smiling white people you meet who are so friendly and helpful they are the settlers. They come in after the white supremists have done their jobs oh sowell. They don't know what all the fuss and anger is about. They didn't see the blood, murder, rape and mutilation. They're just regular folks who want to live a decent life with their families.Yet on some level they know they are living so well at our expense.

    They have power but they don't have control. The difference is like a gun has the power to kill but the gunman controls who gets killed by the gun. As the majority in America and Europe white people have the power to keep other groups down. There is a minority within the majority that controls the media and the money. With this control they decide how the power of the majority will be used. The majority goes along with this because they know it will be to their benefit.

    White supremacy rests on the western belief that time is linear and the group that has the ultimate plan will gain the ultimate victory. The problem with that is there is a law in physics which says for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. This could not be true if time were linear. And if time is not linear then there can be no ultimate victory for any one group.

    Already America is on the brink of it's downfall. It is in the same place, politically, economically, morally, socially and every other -ly where Rome and Germany were just before they fell. Our government believes it won't make the same mistakes those other guys made but their technology will give them a control unattainable by Hitler. Every emperor in history believed he was smarter than his predecessors. America is not even 250 years old yet. It will go done in history as the shortest lived would-be empire ever.

    Our day in the sun is very near. Some of us will see this as an opportunity for vengeance but the thing about payback when people instigate it the debt is never paid in full. The vengeance we exact must be repaid to us again when our day comes to an end. And in a cyclicle world it will always come to an end just as it came to a beginning. Nobody knows who did what to whom first. We do not know where the vicious cycle of racial brutality began but we can decide where it ends by consciuosly and collectively doing the opposite. How can we do that if there will inevitably be an equal and opposite reaction to the action? Well, there is another law in physics called the law of inertia which says a body in motion will continue in that direction at the same speed unless a force changes it. We must be that force We also have a spiritual law called the law of attraction which those who utilize brutality to get on top or vengeance to get back on top cannot use to their benefit for they can only attract brutality and vengeaance.
     
  2. Alkebulan

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    hi sister River. :spinn: i don't kno 2 what xtent the contents of this post r ur views, or the views of mr. ray higgins, but, although i agree w much of the spirit of these statements, i respectfully disagree w som of the conclusions reached.

    "irst we must understand that all white people are not white supremists but all white people benefit from white supremacy. The smiling white people you meet who are so friendly and helpful they are the settlers. They come in after the white supremists have done their jobs oh sowell. They don't know what all the fuss and anger is about."

    this has been called the information age 4 good reason. 1st, i don't really believe there r very many ppl, yt or otherwise, who don't kno "what all the fuss & anger is about", but 2 the xtent that is tru, they don't kno because they don't WANT 2 kno. they wish 2 deny the portions of their history that make them uncomfortable.

    "As the majority in America and Europe white people have the power to keep other groups down." - only 2 the xtent that the oppressed ppl COOPERATE w the minority n power. that cooperation can b overt or covert, but it is nevertheless essential.

    "The majority goes along with this because they know it will be to their benefit." i agree, sort of, but wld state it differently. i believe the ppl of color worldwide, but particularly n the u.s., go along w a minority (globally) exercising hegemony over them b/c they hv bought n2 the minority's paradihm & societal norms. they hv determined, rightly or wrongly, that temporary, immediate material benefits r of mor importance & significance than the long term benefits that wld accure from the sacrifices concomitant w rejection of the prevailing pressures. as tony brown is fond of saying: "blk ppl r the only ppl n the world who blame the yt man 4 99% of their problems but spend 100% of their money with him". we forge the chains of our own continued oppression.

    i enjoyed & agree w much of the remainder of ur post, sister River. thanx for posting this. :great:

     
  3. river

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    Hey brotha Alkebulan,

    What you say here is on point. A lot of what you are disagreeing with is not what I actually said but I failed to make myself clear in the first place, which I should have done. Let me add a few things here and see if we aren't on the same page.


    Yes, in many cases it is deliberate ignrance. How would it benefit them to dig into our history to find out what they did wrong and how much they owe us?

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    "As the majority in America and Europe white people have the power to keep other groups down." - only 2 the xtent that the oppressed ppl COOPERATE w the minority n power. that cooperation can b overt or covert, but it is nevertheless essential.

    "The majority goes along with this because they know it will be to their benefit." i agree, sort of, but wld state it differently. i believe the ppl of color worldwide, but particularly n the u.s., go along w a minority (globally) exercising hegemony over them b/c they hv bought n2 the minority's paradihm & societal norms. they hv determined, rightly or wrongly, that temporary, immediate material benefits r of mor importance & significance than the long term benefits that wld accure from the sacrifices concomitant w rejection of the prevailing pressures. as tony brown is fond of saying: "blk ppl r the only ppl n the world who blame the yt man 4 99% of their problems but spend 100% of their money with him". we forge the chains of our own continued oppression.

    i enjoyed & agree w much of the remainder of ur post, sister River. thanx for posting this. :great:

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    This is where I did not make myself clear. I am not speaking of the whole African diaspora but of the situation in the U.S. where whites are the majority and we are of the minotrities. I am aware of the fact that in the big picture yt is the minority. Even in the U.S. if all the minotities joined together whites would be a minority. But I am speaking of the way things are without the "lf."
     
  4. Alkebulan

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    thank u

    thank u 4 that clarification sistah River. yes, rregretfully, i believe i did misunderstand som of ur post. i apologize.

    now that i hv a better understanding, YES, i would say we r on the same page. hotep & respect 2 u sistah River 4 bringin this much needed info. right now, i think obtaining a working understanding of yt racism is VITAL 2 our ppl's progress. i think we both agree on that.

    :kiss1: ---------------------> sistah River :)
     
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    No need to apologize dear brotha Alkebulan. I am glad we understand each other and the issue.

    :kiss: you back
     
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    Very important thread. It it of the utmost importance to be able to clearly see and define what it is you're up against in order to successfully defend yourself and wage a counterattack.

    Other useful definitions are:

    Eurocentrism: "an ideology or practice of domination or exclusion based on the fundamental assumption that all relevance and value are centered in European culture and peoples and that all other cultures and peoples are at best marginal and at worst irrelevant." From "Introduction to Black Studies," p 35, by Maulana Karenga.

    Yurugu: "A being in Dogon mythology which is responsible for disorder in the universe. This is a being conceived in denial of the natural order, which then acts to initiate and promote disharmony in the universe. In African Cosmology such a being is deficient in spiritual sensibility, is perpetually in conflict, is limited cognitively, and is threatening to the well being of humanity."

    From "Yurugu: An African Centered Critique of European Cultural Thought and Behavior," p xxviii, by Marimba Ani.
     
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    Brotha Sami,

    That Yurugu cat sounds almost like a white man.hmmmmmmm

    Thanks for sharing these vital resources with us.
     
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    This essay doesn't address the basic issue of today, that is global econonics. America has basically become a labor camp with people from all over the world participating as owners and workers. The people we do business with in oil are coming back with the money we spend, and buying up big parts of the country. The Japanese are taking over the auto industry. The Chinese are in Africa and doing business there to dismantle the fuel of white supremacy. Many multi national companies are relocating to South America, Asian, India etc. in search of cheap and skilled labor. Most of our large companies are publicly owned, and nobody really knows who owns most of anything.

    It seems to me that it is black people who live in the shadows of white supremacy. The rest of the world is saying get the f&ck out of our country and our business. No one is superior because of the color of their skin, but some of us (black folk) are still walking around with our heads down, thinking that the system is against us, so we call it white supremacy, and do nothing about uplifting ourselves because of it. Whites, contrary to what some people think, are running scarred, and recognizing that they are out numbered and that the resistance to their domination is too strong for it to continue. White Supremacy is in default, so stop giving credence to it.
     
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    Mr. Ron I don't agree with much of your philosophy but this post right here is on point.

    I would extend your sentiments and state that IF we remain comparatively weak we CANNOT expect chinese or indians or arabs or anyone else to treat us ANY differently than europeans have historically.

    Supremacy goes to those who have the best economic, political and military systems in place.

    Just because europeans are losing some power globally does not mean black people are acquiring it.

    No one is going to give us anything so lamenting about white supremacy and begging other ethnic groups do not represent solutions.
     
  10. river

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    What you say here is correct. I might add that my original post was not in the least meant to be a lament or begging anyone. It's about being aware, I brought a part of the picture to the table. You and Mr. Ron brought another part. I think we can put these parts together and get a bigger picture than any of us has alone.

    Just because white folks are running scared does not mean that now is the time for us to sigh with relief and think we are out of the woods. Scared white folks are the most vicious animals on this planet. We need to be more alert, more knowledgeable, more diligent now than ever.To advise Blacks to ignore white supremacy just because of a few chinks in its armour is very bad advice.

    I am not setting white supremacy up as an indomitable force that cannot be conquered. It is a force and it can be conquered but we will not conquer it if we walk around like Polly Anna thinking it doesn't exist.
     
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