Black Spirituality Religion : Understanding Psalms 2

[cherryblossom]

Well, "to-may-to/ta-mah-to." Again, that is your view and I have mine.


Old Testament Prophecies Of Jesus

Study 3 explained how God's purpose of salvation for men was centred around Jesus Christ. The promises which He made to Eve, Abraham and David all spoke of Jesus as their literal descendant. Indeed, the whole of the Old Testament points forward to, and prophesies about, Christ. The Law of Moses, which Israel had to obey before the time of Christ, constantly pointed forward to Jesus: "The law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ" (Gal. 3:24). Thus at the feast of Passover, a lamb in perfect condition had to be killed (Ex. 12:3-6); this represented the sacrifice of Jesus, "the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world" (John 1:29; 1 Cor. 5:7). The spotless condition which was required for all the animal sacrifices pointed forward to the perfect character of Jesus (Ex. 12:5 cp. 1 Peter 1:19).

Throughout the Psalms and prophets of the Old Testament there are countless prophecies about what Messiah would be like. They particularly focus on describing how he would die. Judaism's refusal to accept the idea of a Messiah who dies can only be due to their inattention to these prophecies, a few of which are now presented....

Old Testament prophecy Fulfilment in Christ
"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Ps. 22:1). These were the very words of Jesus on the cross (Matt 27:46).
"I am despised of the people. All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shake the head, saying, He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him: let him deliver him" (Ps. 22:6-8). Israel despised Jesus and mocked him (Luke 23:35; 8:53); they shook their heads (Matt. 27:39), and said this as He hung on the cross (Matt 27:43).

"My tongue cleaveth to my jaws...they pierced my hands and my feet" (Ps. 22:15,16). This was fulfilled in Christ's thirst on the cross (John 19:28). The piercing of hands and feet refers to the physical method of crucifixion used.
"They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture" (Ps. 22:18).
The precise fulfilment of this is found in Matt. 27:35.
Note that Ps. 22:22 is specifically quoted as applying to Jesus in Heb. 2:12.

"I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and am an alien unto my mother's children. For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up" (Ps. 69:8,9). This well describes Christ's feeling of estrangement from his Jewish brethren and his own family (John 7:3-5, Matt.12:47-49). This is quoted in John 2:17.
"They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink" (Ps. 69:21).
This happened while Christ was on the cross (Matt. 27:34).
The whole of Isaiah 53 is a remarkable prophecy of Christ's death and resurrection, every verse of which had an unmistakable fulfilment. Just two examples will be given:-

"As a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth" (Isa. 53:7) Christ, the Lamb of God, remained silent during his trial (Matt. 27: 12,14).
"He made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death" (Isa. 53:9).
Jesus was crucified along with wicked criminals (Matt. 27:38), but was buried in the tomb of a rich man (Matt. 27:57-60).
It is little wonder that the New Testament reminds us that the "law and prophets" of the Old Testament is the basis of our understanding of Christ (Acts 26:22; 28:23; Rom. 1:2,3; 16:25,26). Jesus himself warned that if we do not properly understand "Moses and the prophets", we cannot understand him (Luke 16:31; John 5:46,47).

That the Law of Moses pointed forward to Christ, and the prophets prophesied of him, should be proof enough that Jesus did not exist physically before his birth. The false doctrine of the physical 'pre-existence' of Christ before birth makes a nonsense of the repeated promises that he would be the seed (descendant) of Eve, Abraham and David. If he were already existing up in heaven at the time of these promises, God would have been incorrect in promising these people a descendant who would be Messiah. The genealogies of Jesus, recorded in Matt. 1 and Luke 3, show how Jesus had a pedigree which stretched back to those people to whom God had made the promises.

The promise to David concerning Christ disallows his physical existence at the time the promise was made: "I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels...I will be his father, and he shall be my son" (2 Sam. 7:12,14). Notice the future tense used here. Seeing that God would be Christ's Father, it is impossible that the Son of God could have already existed at that point in time when the promise was made. That this seed "shall proceed out of thy bowels"shows that he was to be a literal, physical descendant of David. "The Lord hath sworn in truth unto David...Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne" (Ps. 132:11).

Solomon was the primary fulfilment of the promise, but as he was already physically in existence at the time of this promise (2 Sam. 5:14), the main fulfilment of this promise about David having a physical descendant who would be God's son, must refer to Christ (Luke 1:31-33). "I will raise unto David a righteous Branch" (Jer. 23:5) - i.e. Messiah.

Similar future tenses are used in other prophecies concerning Christ. "I will raise (Israel) up a Prophet like unto (Moses)" (Deut. 18:18) is quoted in Acts 3:22,23, which defines the "Prophet" as Jesus. "A virgin (Mary) shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel" (Is. 7:14). This was clearly fulfilled in Christ's birth (Matt. 1:23).

http://www.biblebasicsonline.com/english/Study07OriginofJesus/0701OTPropheciesOfJesus.html





*However, concerning the underlined sentences, I do, personally, have need of further Biblical study. So, I will have to delve further on those statements made by the author of this page.*

 

[A007]

Well, "to-may-to/ta-mah-to." Again, that is your view and I have mine.

IS IT POSSIBLE FOR BOTH VIEWPOINTS TO BE CORRECT?

 

[cherryblossom]

Originally Posted by cherryblossom
Well, "to-may-to/ta-mah-to." Again, that is your view and I have mine.

IS IT POSSIBLE FOR BOTH VIEWPOINTS TO BE CORRECT?

Yes, A007, the phonetic vocalization of the fruit/vegetable called a "tomato" has two acceptable pronunciations.

There are many words in the English language like such. (for example: "data" can be pronounced as "day-tah" or "d(at)-a" and "route" can be said as "roote" or as "r(out)e."

 

[ru2religious]

ru2religious,

This is a mighty dissertation you have planted, it almost appears to be without slight, and very tight. Given what I have just stated, and to forgo discourse on it for the moment, what is your interpretation of Genesis 3: 15?

My only interest is to see or read your understanding to the above question, not a preaching to the choir, so to speak, for I have already credited this quote as a dissertation of sorts.

I do apologize that it has taken me so long to get back to your query.

I will make this as simplistic as I possibly can being that I'm long winded at times. Here's the issues, The verse never really actually existed according to the Roman Catholic Church. It was that verse and the following verse 16.

Its really hard given the state of knowing the scripture is fictitious in the first place. Nevertheless, there was a point that was trying to be made, but first we have to understand that 'Eve' is none other then 'Wisdom' herself and 'Adam' represent male and female, so we are not talking about a physical woman being that the female is part of what makes 'Adam', Adam. Eve was taken from Adam meaning 'Wisdom was taken from humanity' and not a literal female from Adam. This enmity wasn't between a literal female but 'Wisdom' vs 'Apep' the great serpent of the Underworld (Earth) i.e. Ignorance.

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

It shall bruise thy head represents Wisdom being transfigured and distorted by Apep/Snake. And you will bruise his heel which means the very foundation that Apep/Snake/Destroyer otherwise known as ignorance operates from. The heel represent 'Earth' as being the foundation of 'Apep'.

Last point, if the snake was cursed to its belly then its heel's shouldn't be a point especially given the fact that snakes don't have heels.

That is as about as basic as I can make it given that I don't have room to dive into it like I want to ... lol.

Peace


Ru2religious

 

[ru2religious]

Well, "to-may-to/ta-mah-to." Again, that is your view and I have mine.

Why did you write this? Just curious -

Old Testament Prophecies Of Jesus

Study 3 explained how God's purpose of salvation for men was centred around Jesus Christ. The promises which He made to Eve, Abraham and David all spoke of Jesus as their literal descendant. Indeed, the whole of the Old Testament points forward to, and prophesies about, Christ. The Law of Moses, which Israel had to obey before the time of Christ, constantly pointed forward to Jesus: "The law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ" (Gal. 3:24). Thus at the feast of Passover, a lamb in perfect condition had to be killed (Ex. 12:3-6); this represented the sacrifice of Jesus, "the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world" (John 1:29; 1 Cor. 5:7). The spotless condition which was required for all the animal sacrifices pointed forward to the perfect character of Jesus (Ex. 12:5 cp. 1 Peter 1:19).

Throughout the Psalms and prophets of the Old Testament there are countless prophecies about what Messiah would be like. They particularly focus on describing how he would die. Judaism's refusal to accept the idea of a Messiah who dies can only be due to their inattention to these prophecies, a few of which are now presented....

Old Testament prophecy Fulfilment in Christ
"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Ps. 22:1). These were the very words of Jesus on the cross (Matt 27:46).
"I am despised of the people. All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shake the head, saying, He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him: let him deliver him" (Ps. 22:6-8). Israel despised Jesus and mocked him (Luke 23:35; 8:53); they shook their heads (Matt. 27:39), and said this as He hung on the cross (Matt 27:43).

"My tongue cleaveth to my jaws...they pierced my hands and my feet" (Ps. 22:15,16). This was fulfilled in Christ's thirst on the cross (John 19:28). The piercing of hands and feet refers to the physical method of crucifixion used.
"They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture" (Ps. 22:18).
The precise fulfilment of this is found in Matt. 27:35.
Note that Ps. 22:22 is specifically quoted as applying to Jesus in Heb. 2:12.

"I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and am an alien unto my mother's children. For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up" (Ps. 69:8,9). This well describes Christ's feeling of estrangement from his Jewish brethren and his own family (John 7:3-5, Matt.12:47-49). This is quoted in John 2:17.
"They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink" (Ps. 69:21).
This happened while Christ was on the cross (Matt. 27:34).
The whole of Isaiah 53 is a remarkable prophecy of Christ's death and resurrection, every verse of which had an unmistakable fulfilment. Just two examples will be given:-

"As a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth" (Isa. 53:7) Christ, the Lamb of God, remained silent during his trial (Matt. 27: 12,14).
"He made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death" (Isa. 53:9).
Jesus was crucified along with wicked criminals (Matt. 27:38), but was buried in the tomb of a rich man (Matt. 27:57-60).
It is little wonder that the New Testament reminds us that the "law and prophets" of the Old Testament is the basis of our understanding of Christ (Acts 26:22; 28:23; Rom. 1:2,3; 16:25,26). Jesus himself warned that if we do not properly understand "Moses and the prophets", we cannot understand him (Luke 16:31; John 5:46,47).

That the Law of Moses pointed forward to Christ, and the prophets prophesied of him, should be proof enough that Jesus did not exist physically before his birth. The false doctrine of the physical 'pre-existence' of Christ before birth makes a nonsense of the repeated promises that he would be the seed (descendant) of Eve, Abraham and David. If he were already existing up in heaven at the time of these promises, God would have been incorrect in promising these people a descendant who would be Messiah. The genealogies of Jesus, recorded in Matt. 1 and Luke 3, show how Jesus had a pedigree which stretched back to those people to whom God had made the promises.

The promise to David concerning Christ disallows his physical existence at the time the promise was made: "I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels...I will be his father, and he shall be my son" (2 Sam. 7:12,14). Notice the future tense used here. Seeing that God would be Christ's Father, it is impossible that the Son of God could have already existed at that point in time when the promise was made. That this seed "shall proceed out of thy bowels"shows that he was to be a literal, physical descendant of David. "The Lord hath sworn in truth unto David...Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne" (Ps. 132:11).

Solomon was the primary fulfilment of the promise, but as he was already physically in existence at the time of this promise (2 Sam. 5:14), the main fulfilment of this promise about David having a physical descendant who would be God's son, must refer to Christ (Luke 1:31-33). "I will raise unto David a righteous Branch" (Jer. 23:5) - i.e. Messiah.

Similar future tenses are used in other prophecies concerning Christ. "I will raise (Israel) up a Prophet like unto (Moses)" (Deut. 18:18) is quoted in Acts 3:22,23, which defines the "Prophet" as Jesus. "A virgin (Mary) shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel" (Is. 7:14). This was clearly fulfilled in Christ's birth (Matt. 1:23).

http://www.biblebasicsonline.com/english/Study07OriginofJesus/0701OTPropheciesOfJesus.html





*However, concerning the underlined sentences, I do, personally, have need of further Biblical study. So, I will have to delve further on those statements made by the author of this page.*

There is only one prophesy of a coming deity that I agree with in the scriptures and his name is Heru/Horus.

Malachi 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

At the end of the scripture it reads, "and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall". Calves were the representation of Pharaoh's and Kings born under Ht-Hru/Hathor the Cow goddess whom children were the Pharaoh's (women only) and the Kings (men only). The Sun of Righteousness i.e. Heru/Horus the Sun Eagle/Hawk etc ... brings healing in his wings.

I said that to say, the bible is more clear about and Egyptian Messiah's such as 'King David i.e. Thoth Djehuty' and 'Heru/Horus' then Jesus i.e. Iesous/Ieso the Female Goddess of healing. There is absolutely no need not to mention the name Jesus in the Tanach if he was a prophecy of old. You've given a lot of scriptures but again, I can but choose not to break down each and everyone of them proving that they have not historical or theological bases of old.

The issues here is - where does the name 'Jesus/Yahshuah' actually appear in the Old Testament/Tanach in reference to a 'Savior'?

Please note as well. In order to validate a new theology such as Christianity you have to steal for the Old which is what they did at the Counsel Of Nicene, but I don't want to go through that as well because I'm sure that you've read that as well. If the name cannot, and have not been named in the Old Testament then the very essence of Jesus being an Old Testament prophecy has no validity.

Peace


Ru2religious