Black Spirituality Religion : Understanding Psalms 2

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    Understanding Psalms 2

    Psalms 2 is about the rage of the heathens. It is prophesy as to a vain plot (religious writings) heathen kings, leader and rulers will invent and plan in an attempt to crush the religion of a people called Israel, mainly Judah. The Psalm was most likely written by David the King while listening to Nathan the prophet Speaking as GOD.

    1: Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
    2: The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

    The heathen kings, leaders and rulers understood that they would never defeat the people of Israel as long as they maintained the Covenant and had an Anointed King. Thus they all had a great meeting to device a religion that could weaken the people of Israel and make them believe they had an Anointed King.

    7: I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

    GOD is explaining to David the King and the reader that the vain religious plot that will be created by the heathen kings, leaders and rulers will be marked with a decree, theology by GOD. That theology will be Thou art my Son.

    Now the reader begins to see that any religious writings that show GOD committing to a theology of a Son would be the Sign that it is the vain religious writings plotted by the heathen kings, leaders and rulers to keep the descendants of Israel defeated, breaking the Covenant and against their True GOD.

    The Psalm has nothing to do with David the King and his Anointing. When the Psalm was written David was already King. The Psalm deals with exposing the heathens plot to foil David’s lineage of Anointing.
     
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    Psalm 2 is the first Messianic Psalm in the book of Psalms, meaning that it contains a prophecy about the Messiah, Jesus Christ. It prophesies the coming kingdom, with Christ as King, and warns that those who do not bow to Him will be judged. No author for this Psalm is mentioned in the book of Psalms, but Peter ascribes this Psalm to David when he cites it in Acts 4.

    This Psalm is organized into the following four sections: 1. The rebellion against the Messiah's kingdom by the rulers of the earth (v. 1-3); 2. God the Father's reply in word and deed (v. 4-6); 3. The coming King and Kingdom described by the Messiah, Jesus Christ, Himself (v. 7-9); 4. An exhortation to submission to the coming King by the Holy Spirit (v. 10-12).

    The Psalmist begins with the question "Why?", concerning the reason that the people and the nations rebel against the Lord. Note that no answer to this question is given. In fact, there is no logical reason or explanation as to why people knowingly rebel against the God of the universe, their Creator, and even their Savior. These questions can be asked of multitudes in history. Before, during and after the time of Christ, people have united against the Lord.

    Many who would not unite on other grounds, unite against the Lord. For instance, during Christ's life, the Sadducees and the Pharisees were often united in their opposition to Christ. Though doctrinally they could not agree on very much, they often tried to turn the crowds against Christ with their questions on doctrine. Herod and Pilate are another unlikely pair of allies against Christ. Concerning the day of Christ's trial, Luke informs us: "That day Herod and Pilate became friends--before this they had been enemies" (Luke 23:12). According to Peter, the prophecy in this Psalm is partially fulfilled by Herod and Pilate's opposition to Christ. In a prayer, after citing the first two verses of this Psalm, Peter points out: "Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed" (Acts 4:27).

    Peter cited this Psalm in Acts 4 in order to comfort Christ's disciples. He was making the point that the opposition to Christ and His disciples was prophesied by God. Peter went on to say in his prayer that Herod and Pilate "did what Your power and will had decided beforehand should happen" (Acts 4:28). So also, we should realize that God is in control, even when we face opposition.

    The ultimate fulfillment of the prophesied rebellion in this Psalm is, of course, the rebellion of the earth during the end times. In the book of Revelation speaks about the spirits of demons that "go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty...Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon" (Rev. 16:14,16).

    In verse 3, the rebels state the motive for their opposition. They view God's law as "chains" and "fetters" that they want to "break off" and "throw away". In this, they show their ignorance. God's law is just, holy, righteous, fair and, for those who keep it, profitable , edifying and life-giving. "The law of the Lord is perfect, reviving the soul. The statutes of the Lord are trustworthy, making wise the simple" (Ps. 19:7). "So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good" (Rom. 7:12). "We know that the law is good if a man uses it properly" (I Tim. 1:8). Nevertheless, the rebels see it as "chains" and "fetters".

    Interestingly, there is a section of this Psalm devoted to each person of the Trinity. In this section, we have God the Father's response to the rebellion. The Father here is depicted as the One in control. First, He shows contempt for the rebellion, then He shows His wrath, then He states His sovereignty over the situation.

    Conspiracies against the God of the universe are ridiculous and foolish. Thus, the Father shows His contempt for the rebellion by laughing and scoffing. In a similar passage in Psalm 37, the reason for God's mocking is given: "But the Lord laughs at the wicked, for he knows their day is coming" (Ps. 37:13). God knows His own power and ability to quash any rebellion. However, He refrains from judging the rebellious because He is patient and longsuffering, giving the rebels a chance to repent. Nevertheless, at the appointed time, God will judge those conspiring against Him when He "rebukes them in his anger and terrifies them in his wrath".

    His judgment will be a confirmation of His anointing of Christ, for during the judgment He says: "I have installed my King on Zion, my holy hill". Note that the Father says "I have installed". Jesus Christ came to earth with the full backing and authority of the Father. Note also, Christ is described by the Father as "my King", for Christ was anointed by God and will be sent by God to rule the earth.


    In this last section, the Holy Spirit, through David, warns the rebels to repent, warning them of the judgment. This is in line with one of the purposes of the Holy Spirit. He is to "convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment" (John 16:8).

    He exhorts the kings to "be wise". Again, rebellion against the God of the universe is foolish and will lead to death. Also, the kings and the rulers will have no excuse for what they are doing because they have been "warned".

    Significantly, God gives the rebels a chance to repent. He offers mercy even to those in open rebellion against Him. Moreover, He also tells them how to obtain it. First, they are to "serve the Lord with fear". It is the clear indication of scripture that we are to "fear" the Lord. "The LORD Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy, he is the one you are to fear, he is the one you are to dread" (Isa. 8:13); "Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man" (Ecces. 12:13); "Since you call on a Father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear" (I Pet. 1:17); etc. Our lives should reflect that we fear the Lord. If we truly fear the Lord, if we truly understand His power and sovereignty, if we truly understand His wrath, we will do what He says. Here, the Psalmist says to "serve" the Lord with fear. We should understand that it is our privilege to serve the Lord. Too many people think that they are doing God a favor by serving Him. Take note! "Serve the Lord with fear".

    Second, in order to receive mercy, the rebels are to "rejoice with trembling". Even in our rejoicing, we are to, having the awareness of the holiness of God, tremble with fear. To "rejoice with trembling" is to recognize God's mercy on one side (thus, the rejoicing) and His wrath on the other (thus, the trembling). While in the midst of the blessings of God, we may forget that we are being blessed by a God that demands righteousness and reverence. Remember to "rejoice with trembling".

    Third, the rebels are to "kiss the Son". The kiss is a symbol of affection, homage and subjection. Thus, we are to love Jesus, worship Jesus, and serve Jesus. It is no disgrace, even for a king, to "kiss the Son"; it is no disgrace, even for the rulers of the earth, to submit to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

    If these solicitations to receive His mercy are ignored, the Lord will "be angry" and the rebels will "be destroyed". Rejected grace brings God's anger and the greater penalty. To reject God's free gift of salvation is to insult God and to denigrate the sacrifice Christ made. Indeed, God's anger is just.

    Note that "his wrath can flare up in a moment". Be ready! The end can come at any time. The day of God's wrath is near. "While people are saying, `Peace and safety', destruction will come on them suddenly" (I Thess. 5:3).

    But don't worry, as long as you "take refuge in Him", you will be "blessed", even through the day of God's wrath. The Psalm ends with a blessing. God always emphasizes His grace and mercy over His wrath and judgment. God's wrath is called "his strange work" (Isa. 28:21). When God describes Himself to Moses, again His mercy and grace are emphasized: "The LORD, the LORD, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished" (Ex. 34:6,7

    http://www.scripturestudies.com/Vol1/A2/a2_psa.html
     
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    Pss.2

    [1] Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
    [2] The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
    [3] Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
    [4] He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
    [5] Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
    [6] Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
    [7] I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
    [8] Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
    [9] Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
    [10] Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
    [11] Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
    [12] Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
     
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    Psalms is about King David Cherryblossom. The Old Testament doesn't prophesy of a coming messiah named Jesus. The ancient Hebrew would not have ever let any such ideology fall from their lips so this whole theory is based on a theology that is much older then the Hebrews or the Hebrew scriptures. In the most 'Literal-but-fictitious' sense of the Hebrew documentations any speech of these people always dealt with a King of Yisra`el/Asar`el. The word 'Messiah/Mesu' was not thrown around without the crowning of a king being involved.

    Revisit your scriptures and understand that the Scriptures of old were speaking of the house of Yisra`el as a whole or speaking specifically to 'KING DAVID' and not his seed 'KING SOLOMON'. The emasculate conception means that Jesus could not have come from the line of King David being that he was born of his mother. Unlike the Khememu the Hebrew received their crown-ship threw their father (paternal) so he couldn't have been called the seed of David through his mother, whom was from the house of Yahudi. Such a destination would have been against the rules of God himself biblically.

    Now to show that the scriptures was not in any form making reference to a man whom name never appeared once in reference to him in the Old Testament, I will provide scriptures which show without doubt that what is being used as prophesy for Jesus is in fact talking about King David/Twt/King Thoth or better phrased - David the apple of Gods eye/Thoth the apple of Ra's eye.

    Jeremiah 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it. 8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him: 9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them. 10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.

    Again -

    Ezekiel 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: 22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all: 23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwelling places, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God. 24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. 25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children FOREVER: and my servant David shall be their prince FOREVER.

    There is no Jesus in involved in any of the scriptures given above and these are the Major Prophets of the Old Testament who foretells of those who are to come. We still have another major prophet who has something to day about the Messiah a.k.a. King of Yisra`el/Asar`el.

    Again -

    Isaiah 55:3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David. 4 Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.

    When using the book of Psalms you have to first take into account that its actually about King David and YHWH ... King David is the actual Messiah that the scriptures is speaking about because that is who YHWH said will rule forever more an not somebody named Jesus of the New Testament.

    When we speak of the book of Isaiah we are speaking about the whole nation of Yisra`el/Asar`el as one. Were taking about the whole nation being bruised for transgressions, spear piercing the side of the Hebrew nation and so forth. There is no Messiah named Jesus Christ. PERIOD!!!

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    ru2religious,

    This is a mighty dissertation you have planted, it almost appears to be without slight, and very tight. Given what I have just stated, and to forgo discourse on it for the moment, what is your interpretation of Genesis 3: 15?

    My only interest is to see or read your understanding to the above question, not a preaching to the choir, so to speak, for I have already credited this quote as a dissertation of sorts.

     
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    Well, "to-may-to/ta-mah-to." Again, that is your view and I have mine.


    Old Testament Prophecies Of Jesus

    Study 3 explained how God's purpose of salvation for men was centred around Jesus Christ. The promises which He made to Eve, Abraham and David all spoke of Jesus as their literal descendant. Indeed, the whole of the Old Testament points forward to, and prophesies about, Christ. The Law of Moses, which Israel had to obey before the time of Christ, constantly pointed forward to Jesus: "The law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ" (Gal. 3:24). Thus at the feast of Passover, a lamb in perfect condition had to be killed (Ex. 12:3-6); this represented the sacrifice of Jesus, "the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world" (John 1:29; 1 Cor. 5:7). The spotless condition which was required for all the animal sacrifices pointed forward to the perfect character of Jesus (Ex. 12:5 cp. 1 Peter 1:19).

    Throughout the Psalms and prophets of the Old Testament there are countless prophecies about what Messiah would be like. They particularly focus on describing how he would die. Judaism's refusal to accept the idea of a Messiah who dies can only be due to their inattention to these prophecies, a few of which are now presented....

    Old Testament prophecy Fulfilment in Christ
    "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Ps. 22:1). These were the very words of Jesus on the cross (Matt 27:46).
    "I am despised of the people. All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shake the head, saying, He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him: let him deliver him" (Ps. 22:6-8). Israel despised Jesus and mocked him (Luke 23:35; 8:53); they shook their heads (Matt. 27:39), and said this as He hung on the cross (Matt 27:43).

    "My tongue cleaveth to my jaws...they pierced my hands and my feet" (Ps. 22:15,16). This was fulfilled in Christ's thirst on the cross (John 19:28). The piercing of hands and feet refers to the physical method of crucifixion used.
    "They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture" (Ps. 22:18).
    The precise fulfilment of this is found in Matt. 27:35.
    Note that Ps. 22:22 is specifically quoted as applying to Jesus in Heb. 2:12.

    "I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and am an alien unto my mother's children. For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up" (Ps. 69:8,9). This well describes Christ's feeling of estrangement from his Jewish brethren and his own family (John 7:3-5, Matt.12:47-49). This is quoted in John 2:17.
    "They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink" (Ps. 69:21).
    This happened while Christ was on the cross (Matt. 27:34).
    The whole of Isaiah 53 is a remarkable prophecy of Christ's death and resurrection, every verse of which had an unmistakable fulfilment. Just two examples will be given:-

    "As a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth" (Isa. 53:7) Christ, the Lamb of God, remained silent during his trial (Matt. 27: 12,14).
    "He made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death" (Isa. 53:9).
    Jesus was crucified along with wicked criminals (Matt. 27:38), but was buried in the tomb of a rich man (Matt. 27:57-60).
    It is little wonder that the New Testament reminds us that the "law and prophets" of the Old Testament is the basis of our understanding of Christ (Acts 26:22; 28:23; Rom. 1:2,3; 16:25,26). Jesus himself warned that if we do not properly understand "Moses and the prophets", we cannot understand him (Luke 16:31; John 5:46,47).

    That the Law of Moses pointed forward to Christ, and the prophets prophesied of him, should be proof enough that Jesus did not exist physically before his birth. The false doctrine of the physical 'pre-existence' of Christ before birth makes a nonsense of the repeated promises that he would be the seed (descendant) of Eve, Abraham and David. If he were already existing up in heaven at the time of these promises, God would have been incorrect in promising these people a descendant who would be Messiah. The genealogies of Jesus, recorded in Matt. 1 and Luke 3, show how Jesus had a pedigree which stretched back to those people to whom God had made the promises.

    The promise to David concerning Christ disallows his physical existence at the time the promise was made: "I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels...I will be his father, and he shall be my son" (2 Sam. 7:12,14). Notice the future tense used here. Seeing that God would be Christ's Father, it is impossible that the Son of God could have already existed at that point in time when the promise was made. That this seed "shall proceed out of thy bowels"shows that he was to be a literal, physical descendant of David. "The Lord hath sworn in truth unto David...Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne" (Ps. 132:11).

    Solomon was the primary fulfilment of the promise, but as he was already physically in existence at the time of this promise (2 Sam. 5:14), the main fulfilment of this promise about David having a physical descendant who would be God's son, must refer to Christ (Luke 1:31-33). "I will raise unto David a righteous Branch" (Jer. 23:5) - i.e. Messiah.

    Similar future tenses are used in other prophecies concerning Christ. "I will raise (Israel) up a Prophet like unto (Moses)" (Deut. 18:18) is quoted in Acts 3:22,23, which defines the "Prophet" as Jesus. "A virgin (Mary) shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel" (Is. 7:14). This was clearly fulfilled in Christ's birth (Matt. 1:23).

    http://www.biblebasicsonline.com/english/Study07OriginofJesus/0701OTPropheciesOfJesus.html





    *However, concerning the underlined sentences, I do, personally, have need of further Biblical study. So, I will have to delve further on those statements made by the author of this page.*
     
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    IS IT POSSIBLE FOR BOTH VIEWPOINTS TO BE CORRECT?
     
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    Yes, A007, the phonetic vocalization of the fruit/vegetable called a "tomato" has two acceptable pronunciations.

    There are many words in the English language like such. (for example: "data" can be pronounced as "day-tah" or "d(at)-a" and "route" can be said as "roote" or as "r(out)e."
     
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    I do apologize that it has taken me so long to get back to your query.

    I will make this as simplistic as I possibly can being that I'm long winded at times. Here's the issues, The verse never really actually existed according to the Roman Catholic Church. It was that verse and the following verse 16.

    Its really hard given the state of knowing the scripture is fictitious in the first place. Nevertheless, there was a point that was trying to be made, but first we have to understand that 'Eve' is none other then 'Wisdom' herself and 'Adam' represent male and female, so we are not talking about a physical woman being that the female is part of what makes 'Adam', Adam. Eve was taken from Adam meaning 'Wisdom was taken from humanity' and not a literal female from Adam. This enmity wasn't between a literal female but 'Wisdom' vs 'Apep' the great serpent of the Underworld (Earth) i.e. Ignorance.

    Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

    It shall bruise thy head represents Wisdom being transfigured and distorted by Apep/Snake. And you will bruise his heel which means the very foundation that Apep/Snake/Destroyer otherwise known as ignorance operates from. The heel represent 'Earth' as being the foundation of 'Apep'.

    Last point, if the snake was cursed to its belly then its heel's shouldn't be a point especially given the fact that snakes don't have heels.

    That is as about as basic as I can make it given that I don't have room to dive into it like I want to ... lol.

    Peace


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    Why did you write this? Just curious -


    There is only one prophesy of a coming deity that I agree with in the scriptures and his name is Heru/Horus.

    Malachi 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

    At the end of the scripture it reads, "and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall". Calves were the representation of Pharaoh's and Kings born under Ht-Hru/Hathor the Cow goddess whom children were the Pharaoh's (women only) and the Kings (men only). The Sun of Righteousness i.e. Heru/Horus the Sun Eagle/Hawk etc ... brings healing in his wings.

    I said that to say, the bible is more clear about and Egyptian Messiah's such as 'King David i.e. Thoth Djehuty' and 'Heru/Horus' then Jesus i.e. Iesous/Ieso the Female Goddess of healing. There is absolutely no need not to mention the name Jesus in the Tanach if he was a prophecy of old. You've given a lot of scriptures but again, I can but choose not to break down each and everyone of them proving that they have not historical or theological bases of old.

    The issues here is - where does the name 'Jesus/Yahshuah' actually appear in the Old Testament/Tanach in reference to a 'Savior'?

    Please note as well. In order to validate a new theology such as Christianity you have to steal for the Old which is what they did at the Counsel Of Nicene, but I don't want to go through that as well because I'm sure that you've read that as well. If the name cannot, and have not been named in the Old Testament then the very essence of Jesus being an Old Testament prophecy has no validity.

    Peace


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