Black People : Understanding Out-of-Wedlock Births in Black America

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  1. Keita Kenyatta

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    Revisiting the controversial Moynihan Report
    Ta-Nehisi Coates Jun 21 2013, 11:40

    I'm still making my way through some of the latest reconsiderations of the Moynihan Report. While doing that I've been thinking a lot about a number you see invoked whenever discussing the state of the black family--70 percent of all births among African-Americans happen out of wedlock. You often see this number invoked to show the moral or cultural decline in the black family:
    For African-Americans. That's embarrassing. And you know, in the entire recorded history of the planet, there has never been a greater voluntary abandonment of men from their children than there is today in black America. Never. I mean, when men went off to war, they had to go off to war. That wasn't voluntary. But never as great of voluntary abandonment of children by their fathers than in black America today.
    Or like this:
    Why don't the NAACP and similar organizations take all the money they use to challenge and complain about the standards that their groups (in the aggregate) don't meet when it comes to university admissions, selective high-school admissions, school discipline, mortgage loans, police and firefighter tests, felon disenfranchisement laws, employment policies that look at criminal records, etc., etc., and use that money to figure out ways to bring down the illegitimacy rates that drive all these other disparities?
    Just as often you see it invoked by black people themselves in much the same way. What undergirds all of this is the sense that the black community of today is somehow deficient in a way that the black community of yesteryear was not.
    I think its very important to get past the jeremiads and understand why the numbers look the way they do. And given that this is an old beef of mine, I figured I'd go through the numbers again, fool around with some spreadsheets and try to get in touch with my inner Derek Thompson.
    One obvious reason that you have a higher percentage of children born out of wedlock in the black community is that the number of unmarried women (mothers or not) has grown a lot, while number of married women has grown only a little. You can see that in the chart above, which I culled from these census numbers. The numbers are by the thousand. [​IMG]
    But while the number of unmarried black women has substantially grown, the actual birthrate (measured by births per 1000) for black women is it the lowest point that its ever documented.*
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    So while a larger number of black women are choosing not to marry, many of those women are also choosing not to bring kids into the world. But there is something else.
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    As you can see the drop in the birthrate for unmarried black women is mirrored by an even steeper drop among married black women. Indeed, whereas at one point married black women were having more kids than married white women, they are now having less.
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    I point this out to show that the idea that the idea that, somehow, the black community has fallen into a morass of cultural pathology is convenient nostalgia. There is nothing "immoral" or "pathological" about deciding not to marry. In the glorious black past, women who ma

    http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/ar...ut-of-wedlock-births-in-black-america/277084/
     
  2. Kadijah

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    I applaud the brother for saying exactly what I've been saying for years. Of course, for those who don't want to be informed, prefer their prejudices that sneer and smear, i.e., bruthas that can't get a woman, or bruthas who can't get the woman he thinks he deserves, as well as black men who marry white women thus have a "stake" in "proving" a deficiency in black women and black culture, no matter how bogus.... it matters not. Still, verification/confirmation is a nice thing to have. :)

    Or rather the :bs: of "cultural decline." Just as you don't have to drive your father's car, you don't have to adopt your father's hypocritical values, i.e., if you're raised in a 2 parent family and all you see growing up is slam! bang! arguments, cheating, physical/emotional abuse or abandonment, and breaking the vows taken before man and God, why should you replicate that vexacious, unproductive scenario in your adult life? If the biological urge to procreate is strong in you, why not be a mother without the pain and drama?

    Any "cultural decline" is on Baby Boomer parents who failed to show the value of marriage, not on their children or grandchildren who witnessed the pain and heartbreak.

    Again, as I keep saying, it's an American problem, not a black thang. :news:
     
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    So all of a sudden you agree with Ken's numbers? The numbers he used are also in the OP as apart of the census....
     
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    Kadijah Banned MEMBER

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    What the heck are you talking about? Where in that post do I say one thing about Ken.... or you.... or mention any "numbers".... much less agree with either of you?" Scheesh!
     
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    That's what the OP references as the source for the data. The same numbers Ken gave...
     
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    Kadijah Banned MEMBER

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    Why don't you and Ken get married? Scheesh! The OP "references" - what?! AND... "references as the source....." And the "source" is the SAME NUMBERS.... What the freak!???

    Which of the thousands of threads that you have nothing better to do than to search through did you see that? Cause it's NOT in the OP you're talking crazy about! :nuts:
     
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    Kadijah Banned MEMBER

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    Oh Hayle to the naw!!! I just realized this is ANOTHER thread you'll trolling with that Ken mess! Man, GTFOH! :mad:
     
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    Just forget it. LOL I'll discuss the original topics for these threads now..
     
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