I have to disagree on the name calling, James From Philly infer calling people names by using outright lies, exaggerations, and misrepresentations in this thread, this kind of stuff hurts Destee and kills conversations. Now I know back in 2002 why I did not post because back then I felt it was too uncivil and moved on, this is why Destee have rules to encourage civility. This topic is a great example how some try to silence others they disagree with. There is so much talk about what white people do to us but the real problem is what we do to each other, there should be a greater benefit of the doubt and respect among ourselves. We are so quick to think the worst of our own people, attack them, accuse them, try to negatively turn them into a character and that ends participation and finding common ground on future topics. Observers see the uncivil climate and move on. I don't do the drama stuff, back and forth with nonsense and waste my time on people who think their opinions are the only ones that are valid and have the only valid brand of blackness. They are those who can disagree and be civil and that is really a beautiful thing and it sets a good example of the kind of skills needed to be able to unify and grow based on the great majority of issues we agree on. In view of the big picture my opinion on Destee does not make a difference so why deal with the frustration with those who can't respect it. There are better ways to spend my time. I'm done, pissed and disappointed too bad this could not be a groove. Best of luck and wishes and may peace be with you all.