Law Forum : Two Videoed in Rape Found Guilty, More to Come

cherryblossom

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Bottom line, a lot of stupidity all around

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Yes, she was stupid; but her stupidity did not give them the right to sexually molest her or for others to mock her as a victim.

The boy, Michael Nodianos, was a freshmen at Ohio State Univ., a former student athlete of the same high school as the boys who raped her. He was not involved in the rape but made a video joking about it when he heard of it that night. So, he and his friends sat around making jokes. ---- And, no, that's not against the law; but it shows/displays the same lack of empathy, compassion, and morality that fueled the behavior of the boys who did rape her.

So, I have no pity that he had to leave Ohio State because of his "after-the-fact" stupidity.

Let this be a lesson to all parents to teach and instill in their children "right and wrong" and to speak/act out against wrong when they see it.

There is a lesson in this for the parents and children of this, ALL AROUND...... The ones at the party, the ones who did this, the ones who laughed/joked about it with their friends.

Unfortunately, after this horrific experience, the girl, herself, has learned her lesson about "stupidity" in the most graphic and humiliating way.

But, many of the others still don't get it, not the other children nor their parents.
 

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Yes, she was stupid; but her stupidity did not give them the right to sexually molest her or for others to mock her as a victim.

The boy, Michael Nodianos, was a freshmen at Ohio State Univ., a former student athlete of the same high school as the boys who raped her. He was not involved in the rape but made a video joking about it when he heard of it that night. So, he and his friends sat around making jokes. ---- And, no, that's not against the law; but it shows/displays the same lack of empathy, compassion, and morality that fueled the behavior of the boys who did rape her.

So, I have no pity that he had to leave Ohio State because of his "after-the-fact" stupidity.

Let this be a lesson to all parents to teach and instill in their children "right and wrong" and to speak/act out against wrong when they see it.

There is a lesson in this for the parents and children of this, ALL AROUND...... The ones at the party, the ones who did this, the ones who laughed/joked about it with their friends.

Unfortunately, after this horrific experience, the girl, herself, has learned her lesson about "stupidity" in the most graphic and humiliating way.

But, many of the others still don't get it, not the other children nor their parents.


That has more to do with age and group think. There are rumors that females were pressuring the girl not to press charges or testify.





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cherryblossom

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That has more to do with age and group think.

There are rumors that females were pressuring the girl not to press charges or testify.
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No, it isn't restricted to the teenagers.

The coach of the football team has almost been under attack for his failure to suspend the players who posted pictures/made comments about the rape on the night it happened. ---- Even the Principal of the high school and the Superintendent of the district did nothing because they both left it up to the coach to handle. ---- And since the coach didn't see fit to discipline any of the other players, OH WELL.

This whole case really kinda divided this small town.... Some people wanted the perpetrators punished AND the ones who were witnesses to it/took pictures, video.

And some others don't think they did anything wrong.

This is all a part of "Jock Culture." ---- When a society places more importance on athletics and athletes than on right and wrong, its a sad commentary, indeed.

When even other adults and parents dismiss and trivialize this kind of behavior as "Boys will be boys," this is further evidence of "Jock Culture."

So, no, you just can't chock it up to "age and group think."

This mindset has been demonstrated by many of the teenagers and many of the adults and parents in Steubenville, OH.

.....and then, you've also got the ones on the side of "victim-blaming" as well.

Some in this town also think/feel the girl is to blame because she shouldn't have gotten so drunk.
 

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'Stupidity all around'? Uh...no.
The girl's judgement was ridiculously poor. The actions of those males wasn't merely 'stupid'. It was disgusting, sociopathic and downright criminal.

This is about half the reason as to why why women don't report rape. Hell, who could blame them? They're dehumanized during the act and ripped to shreds when they actually seek help and justice.

Of course, it's always annoyed me that so many young females simply lack a self-protection instinct.
They're too trusting.
So...age and group-think? You've got a point...because this is something that usually happens to young females.
Older women know better than to get drunk around a bunch of males or entrust any male other than their family member, close friend or mate to safeguard their virtue when they're too inebriated to defend or speak up for themselves.

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cherryblossom
I do not drink around men, for reasons already stated. They see a drunken girl and think it's a 'free for all'.
I don't say that every man is a closet rapist. In fact, I don't know what the hell I'm saying.
I'm just sure that it's pretty sexist. *laugh*
But...hell, KEMETSTRY alludes to it (by calling the victim 'stupid' for being passed out at a party). He's a male and has more of inkling than I would.
So I can't be too far off base.

Let's be honest, it's not like it's 'us women' who run around making jokes and singing songs about 'pulling trains' on other women.... That's male thing.
Until THAT aspect of 'male culture' is addressed? Things like this will continue to go on and people on the outside will continue to blame the victim, alone.

The message should be about more than 'Women...don't let yourself get raped'.
Why not also focus on those who commit the acts? Y'know...the rapists and those who can observe a female literally dragged to/fro by the limbs and actually believe that she's a willing participant...?
Since when could an incapacitated individual give consent?
It's called 'voyeurism'...hello?
Those weird little freaks who took the pics, sent the texts and took the videos are just as guilty.
 

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It has been often stated that more people stress, "Women, don't get raped!", than, "Men, don't rape women!" because of gender biases. Why teach your daughter not to place herself in a bad situation, and meanwhile tell your son he need get it anywhere he can get it? Why aren't people teaching their sons to respect a woman's body, even if she shows lack of respect toward herself?

Laughing at someone who's gone through this, even if one believes they set themselves up for it, is horrible to say the least; we shouldn't mock others when they are down, out, hurt, injured, nor in trouble or distress as any of us could be there; not in the exact situation, but when they're looking for some compassion and get none, they should remember when they were chuckling it up.
 
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