Black Spirituality Religion : Twelve Proofs That Muhammad is a True Prophet...

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GP said:
Peace.Info.....Do ya boil the hell out of it first????????????? :)
peace GP,

No sir, I boil the heaven into it............. :haha:

all I do is hold it up to the heavens and let the son's/sun's 19 rays do the rest bra.....no pun intended!!!!

:toast:

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The 19 rays? Care to share some knowledge? Never heard of this. Peace.
 

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GP said:
The 19 rays? Care to share some knowledge? Never heard of this. Peace.
Peace,

there are exactly 19 rays that come out of the Sun & the #19 is a sacred #. The Egyptian god Anhkenaten & the founder of monotheism changed the worship of many gods into the worship of one god approximately 2 thousand years b4 jesus was said to be born. His symbol was a Sun disc with the 19 rays coming out of it.

Some say the #19 represents God (1) standing by or approving of what is inside of the womb (9 months) - this is also why in Islam the 19 Surah or chapter is dedicated to the women (Mary).........

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Thank you for sharing and for putting it so that even I could understand it.Peace
 

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PEACE TO ALL:

There in alot of misconceptions in this thread (based on my own understandings), I'd like to respond to it piece by piece.

Your patience is appreciated.
 

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info-moetry said:
Peace,

there are exactly 19 rays that come out of the Sun & the #19 is a sacred #. The Egyptian god Anhkenaten & the founder of monotheism changed the worship of many gods into the worship of one god approximately 2 thousand years b4 jesus was said to be born. His symbol was a Sun disc with the 19 rays coming out of it.

Some say the #19 represents God (1) standing by or approving of what is inside of the womb (9 months) - this is also why in Islam the 19 Surah or chapter is dedicated to the women (Mary).........

peace
PEACE:

The assertions about ANKHEN-ATEN are a fallacy, proprogated by western academia, to feed into their myopic concepts of Monotheism, while at the same time discrediting and dismissing the rest of KEMET, as "pagan".

Please check out my statements in this thread, on my site: CRADLE 2 THE GRAVE.

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Aqil said:
Muhammad ibn Abdullah (saw) is Allah's Prophet and the Final Messenger sent by Allah (swt) to the inhabitants of Earth.You should know that the Messenger, Muhammad ibn Abdullah (saw) is Allah's Messenger in reality and truth. The evidences that show his veracity are abundant. None but an infidel, who out of arrogance alone, could deny these signs.

Among these proofs:
SALAAM AQIL:

While I definitely appreciate the sentiment behind this post, I have to say that I find issue with the assertions that you have attempted to pass off as "proofs".

Please let it be known, that it is with an Islamic foundation of my own that I say this, and the following:



1. Prophet Muhammad (saw) was raised illiterate, unable to read or write, and remained like that until his death. Among all his people, he was known as being truthful and trustworthy.
This in and of itself, is not proof, or any other form of criteria otherwise, for Prophethood.

There are plenty of people in this world, past and present, that are illiterate, yet honest. Should each of these people be raised to the status of Prophet as well?

Before receiving revelation, he had no prior knowledge of religion or any previously sent message. He remained like that for his first forty years.
That is most INCORRECT.

As a nomadic merchant, MUHAMMAD had come in contact with numerous Christians, Jews, and followers of more ancient spiritual systems, from KEMET, Southern Arabia (HIMYAR), PERSIA, INDIA, even as far as China.

Further proof of this fact, is the fact that MUHAMMAD himself chose ALLAH from the pantheon of trinity god(desses) of ALLAH, ALLAT, and MIZNAT (all of which are mentioned in the QUR'AN).

How could he have known about ALLAH, and even written about the other 2 gods in the trinity, if he hadn't heard of them?

Despite being illiterate, MUHAMMAD was still intelligent, and was not born nor lived in a vacuum.

Revelation then came to Muhammad (saw) with the Holy Qur’an that we now have between our hands. This Qur’an mentioned most of the accounts found in the previous scriptures, telling us about these events in the greatest detail as if he witnessed them. These accounts came precisely as they were found in the Torah sent down to Moses and in the Gospel sent down to Jesus (saw). Neither the Jews nor Christians were able to belie him regarding anything that he said.
The problem with this, being that the greater majority of these tales from the BIBLE were false in and of themselves.....

The history of "MOSES" in KEMET from the Bible is one big LIE, and since PROPHET MUHAMMAD simply re-iterated it, what does that make him?

2. Prophet Muhammad (saw) also foretold of everything that would occur to him – and his community after him – pertaining to victory, the removal of the tyrannical kingdoms of the Zoroastrian kings of Persia and Caesar, and the establishment of the religion of Islam throughout the Earth. These events occurred exactly as he foretold, as if he was reading the future from an open book.
When did this happen?

ZOROASTRIANISM was already well on the decline prior to the coming of MUHAMMAD. Not to mention that many ZOROA ideas were assimilated into ISLAM as well.

CAESAR is gone? The institution(s) that CAESAR created are very much alive and well.

How do you think America came to be?

The only reason that ISLAM was spread about the earth, was because of the series of wars that Prophet Muhammad instigated (though I'm rather glad he did). So that "prophecy" was rather self-fulfilling.


3. Prophet Muhammad (saw) also brought an Arabic Qur’an that is the peak of eloquence and clarity.
If such were the case, why then do most Muslims the world over not know how to read the QUR'AN in Arabic?

What good does it do the followers, how "eloquent" the book and language is, if they cannot even read it?

What if someone told you, that ESKIMO writings are "the peak of eloquence and clarity".......Does that make any difference to you?

It challenged those eloquent and fluent Arabs of his time, who initially belied him, to bring forth a single chapter like the Qur’an.The eloquent Arabs of his day were unable to contest this holy book.
Rhetoric aside, this is not accurate either.

The Sabean Arabs of Souther Arabia at the time, questioned why Muhammad condemned their spiritual beliefs and pantheon (ALLAH, ALLAT, and MIZNAT), yet took one of their God(desses) (ALLAH) as his own.

Do you know what happened after that? Muhammad and his followers KILLED THEM FOR IT.

Indeed, until our day, none has ever dared to claim that he has been able to compose words that equal – or even approach – the order, grace, beauty, and splendor of this Glorious Holy Qur’an.
The problem being, there have been numerous Scriptures all over this earth, that "equal – or even approach" the words of the QUR'AN.

The QUR'AN was not the only God-inspired book in exsistence at that time: AKASHIC RECORDS, PERT EM HERU, BHAGAVAD GITA, I-CHING, and numerous others.

Can you tell me why the QUR'AN is special over these others?

4. The life history of this Noble Prophet was a perfect example of being upright, merciful, compassionate, truthful, brave, generous, distant from all evil character, and ascetic in all worldly matters, while striving solely for the reward of the Hereafter. Moreover, in all his actions and dealings, he was ever mindful and fearful of Allah (swt).
Really?

Is taking a 14 year old girl as a wife when you are in your 40's considered "upright"? Is owning slaves considered "merciful"? Is denying others of their religious freedom considered "compassionate"?

I do not take away from the fact that Muhammad was a great man, but a saint he WAS NOT.

But then, who is/was?

5. Allah (swt) instilled great love for Muhammad (saw) in the hearts of all who believed in and met him. This love reached such a degree that any of his companions would willingly sacrifice his (or her) self, mother or father, for him. Until today, those who believe in Muhammad (saw) honor and love him. Anyone of those who believe in him would ransom his own family and wealth to see him, even if but once.
What is this really a "proof" of? That people are capable of "Prophet-worship"?

Just because someone worships me, does not make me "great". People worship(ped) CAESAR, CONSTANTINE, ALEXANDER, and HITLER.

Are you telling me these men were "great", just because they were followed, and people sacrficed themselves for them?


6. All of history has not preserved the biography of any person in the manner it has preserved the life of Muhammad (saw), who is the most influential human in history. Nor has the entire Earth known of anyone whom every morning and evening, and many times thereafter throughout the day, is thought of by those who believe in him. Upon remembering Muhammad (saw), the believers in him will greet him and ask Allah (swt) to bless him. They do such with full hearts and true love for him.

7. Nor has there ever been a man on Earth who is still followed in all his doings by those who believe in him. Those who believe in Prophet Muhammad (saw) sleep in the manner he slept; purify themselves (through ablution and ritual washing) in the manner he purified himself; and adhere to his practice in the way they eat, drink, and clothe themselves. Indeed in all aspects of their lives, the believers in Muhammad (saw) adhere to the teachings he spread among them and the path that he traveled upon during his life.
C'mon man, this is just an out and out LIE.

I have one name, though it sickens me to say it, blows the name of Muhammad right out of the water:

JESUS.

Matter of fact, in the QUR'AN itself (that eloquent book), the name of JESUS is mentioned more than 2,000 times in various Surahs. The name of Muhammad is mentioned only TWICE.

Why, if ALLAH meant for Muhammad to be the greatest and "most influential" man of all time?

During every generation – from his day until our time – the believers in Prophet Muhammad (saw) have fully adhered to his teachings. With some, this has reached the degree that they desire to follow and adhere to the Prophet's way in his personal matters regarding that which Allah (swt) has not sought of them to adhere to in worship. For example, some will only eat those specific foods or only wear those specific garments that the Messenger liked.

Let alone all that, all those who believe in Muhammad (saw) repeat those praises of Allah (swt), special prayers, and invocations that he would say during each of his actions during day and night. Like what he would say when he greeted people upon entering and leaving the house; entering and leaving the masjid; entering and leaving the bathroom; going to sleep and awaking from sleep; observing the new crescent; observing the new fruit on trees; eating, drinking, dressing, riding, traveling and returning from travel, etc.

Let alone all that all those who believe in Muhammad (saw) fully perform – even to the minute detail – every act of worship-like prayer, fasting, charity, and pilgrimage-as the Messenger taught and as he himself performed. All of this allows those who believe in him to live their lives in all aspects with this Noble Messenger as their example – as if he was standing before them – for them to follow in all their doings.
Imitation is the greatest form of flattery, but does not a great Prophet make.

And neither does Prophet worship, for that matter.

8. There has never been, nor will there ever be, a man anywhere upon this Earth who has received such love, respect, honor, and obedience in all matters – small and large alike – as has Prophet Muhammad (saw).
This is repetitive from "proofs" # 5, 6, and 7. And no less accurate.

JESUS is the name of the one man (imaginary character that he was) that fills this position.

Most non-Islamic people in this world don't even know Muhammad was.

9. Since his day, in every region of the Earth and during every period, individuals have followed the Prophet from all races, colors and peoples. Many of those who followed him were previously Christians, Jews, pagans, idolaters, or without any religion. Among those who chose to follow him were those who were known for their sound judgment, wisdom, reflection and foresight. They chose to follow this noble Prophet after they witnessed the signs of his truthfulness and the evidences of his miracles. They did not choose to follow him out of compulsion or coercion, or because they had adopted the ways of their fathers and mothers.
This statement is just as accurate (if not moreso) for followers of Jesus.......Don't all races follow him? Haven't Muslims converted to become Christian?

This is rhetorical conjecture, and nothing more.

Indeed many of the followers of Prophet Muhammad (saw) chose to follow him during the time when Islam was weak, when there were few Muslims, and when there was severe persecution of his followers on Earth. Most people who have followed him have done so not to acquire some material benefits. Indeed, many of his followers have suffered the greatest forms of harm and persecution as a result of following their religious convictions. Despite all this harm and persecution, this did not turn them back from Islam. All of this clearly indicates to anyone possessing any sense that Prophet Muhammad (saw) was truly and really Allah's Messenger, and that he was not just a man who claimed prophethood or spoke about Allah (swt) without knowledge.
The same can be said of JEWS, CHRISTIANS, BUDDHISTS, and others. Such a statement does NOT make Muhammad or Islam special in this respect.


10. With all this, Prophet Muhammad (saw) came with a great religion in its creedal and legal make-up.
I thought the "religion" that Muhammad "came with" was the same one that the prophets before him did?

At least, that's what Muhammad said in the QUR'AN.

Muhammad didn't "come with" anything......He simply sought to refine the Hebraic spiritual system, and present it to his people, as opposed to the Hebrews.

He described Allah (swt) with qualities of complete perfection, and at the same time in a manner that is free of ascribing to Him any imperfection.
And this had not been done before him?

Neither the philosophers nor the wise could ever describe Allah (swt) like such.
What "philosophers"? The GREEKS?? They don't count anyways; they couldn't tie their shoes (assuming those savages wore any), if someone from KEMET hadn't taught them.

So why put the name of Muhammad, against that of fools and savages?

Indeed it is impossible to imagine that any human mind could conceive of an existing being that possesses such complete ability, knowledge, and greatness; Who has subdued the Creation; Who has encompassed everything in the Universe, small or large, and Who possesses such perfect mercy.
Are you talking about ALLAH or Muhammad here?

Nor is it in the ability of any human being to place a perfect law based upon justice, equality, mercy and objectivity for all human activity on Earth like the laws that Prophet Muhammad (saw) brought for all spheres of human activity – like buying and selling, marriage and divorce, renting, testimony, custody, and all other contracts that are necessary to uphold life and civilization on Earth.

11. It is impossible that any person conceive wisdom, morals, good manners, nobleness of characters as what the honorable Prophet (saw) brought. In a full and complete manner, he spread a teaching regarding character and manners toward one's parents, relatives, fiends, family, humanity, animals, plants and inanimate objects. It is impossible for the human mind alone to grasp all of that teaching or come with a similar teaching. All of that unequivocally indicates that The Messenger (saw) did not bring any of this religion from his own accord, but that it was rather a teaching and inspiration that he received from the One Who created the Earth and the high Heavens above, and created this Universe in its miraculous architecture and perfection.

12. The legal and creedal makeup of the religion that Prophet Muhammad (saw) brought resembles the engineering of the Heavens and the Earth. All of that indicates that He who created the Heavens and the Earth is the One Who sent down this great law and upright religion. The degree of inimitability of the Divine law that was sent down upon Muhammad (saw) is to the same degree of inimitability of the Divine creation of the Heavens and Earth. For just as humanity cannot create this Universe, in the same manner humanity cannot bring forth a law like Allah's law that He sent down upon His Servant and Messenger, Muhammad ibn Abdullah (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him).
Man, do you honestly believe that no one brought laws (spiritual or otherwise) to the earth, prior to Muhammad?

C'mon.

The 2 oldest civilizations to bring about complex judicial systems were KEMET and SUMERIA.

Those principles are still in effect to this very day. How did the redundant teachings of Muhammad supercede this?

(This is what I, and approximately 1.6 billion Muslims in the world believe today...)
I'm truly sorry to hear that you "believe" this.

But this sounds like "millions of flies" argument.......

Just because a million flies flock to it, doesn't make "it" good or right.

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Aqil said:
No I can't...what you cut and pasted is from a Christian website that has been on the Internet for quite some time now...
But isn't that what you did yourself: posted info from an Islamic website as well?
 

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SAMURAI36 said:
But this sounds like "millions of flies" argument...

Just because a million flies flock to it, doesn't make "it" good or right
"It" must be good or right for the flies...:)

aqil said:
...what you cut and pasted is from a Christian website that has been on the Internet for quite some time now...
SAMURAI36 said:
But isn't that what you did yourself: posted info from an Islamic website as well?
The Christian website is very anti-Islamic. The info I posted was originally published by the Islamic Assembly of North America (IANA). Here is the website:

http://www.iananet.org/
 

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Aqil said:
"It" must be good or right for the flies...:)
Good thing I'm not a fly then..... :rolleyes:

The Christian website is very anti-Islamic. The info I posted was originally published by the Islamic Assembly of North America (IANA). Here is the website:

http://www.iananet.org/
Be that as it may, one does not fight inaccuracies with more inaccuracies.

There is truth to be found--historical truths, about this and other subjects, but people have to be earnest and diligent enough to find it.

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