Black Spirituality Religion : TOWER OF BABEL

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    Can someone elaborate more on the biblical OT story of the Tower of Babel?

    (Just in a mood for a little knowledge)

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    Do you want the Biblical, or the historical?
     
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    What is the significant difference between the two?

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    Well, one is deemed factual, one is not. For one thing, a building as expansive as what the "Tower Of Babel" is biblically reported to have been, has NEVER been archeologically found, even though other architectual constructs have been sited althroughout the land formerly known as "Sumer" ("Shinar" in the Bible).

    The closest thing to this "tower", are the Ziggurats (the Sumerian version of Pyramids), that are still standing in the Middle East to this very day.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziggurat

    Thus, the difference between the Biblical, and the Historical.
     
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    Further info:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_babel

    Historical and Linguistic context

    "The Tower of Babel" by Pieter Brueghel the ElderThe name Babylon is from the Akkadian Bāb-ilu, which means Gate of the Gods. This correctly summarizes the religious purpose of the great temple towers (the ziggurats) of ancient Sumer (Biblical Shinar in modern southern Iraq).

    The religious context merely is a over-emphasized version of the historical account.

    No ziggurat was built because "God wanted to confuse languages".

    That's why it's important to separate religious allegory from historical events.

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    I was reading from the biblical perspective this morning, and I came across this 'event' so to speak. What interested me is it was told that the Sons of Noah (who were living at the time) were full of pride, and not only building the tower, but building the city was an act of demonstrating that pride. The Bible also states:

    But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building. The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other. (Genesis 11:5-7)

    This part was very interesting. According to the Bible, it seems to me that this was the reason why "The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them."

    What's the story behind this? Do you think it was an ungodly act (speaking of Nephilim) committed by the Sons of Noah?

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    Hey brotha Cedric,

    Yes that right there is the most interesting vese one can find in the bible.

    It tells us in a nutshell about the motives and character of the biblical version of god. It raises a lot of questions too.

    Why would an omnipotent God be worried about the acheivements of men? If you have a child you want them to go as far and as high as they can in life. You teach them how to avoid the pitfalls of pride and wealth. But you don't undermine their self-esteem and tear up their job applications. You don't sabotage their efforts. If you, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children why paint this dastardly picture of a god who hates to see his creation (children) achieve?

    Why would a god who is not the author of confusion be the cause of the most significant factor that separates people? How many wars wold not have been fought, lands not stolen, racism not perpetrated, peoples not subjugated if this god had left us alone to flourish in the peace we had before he decided that he did not come to bring peace but a sword?

    Why does a god who is omnipresent have to come down to look at a city?

    Why is the god who created the whole universe so threatened by his own creation that he is only happy when we are confused, broken, contrite, helpless and sorrowful--especially when we were none of those things before he intervened. That's like a doctor giving you poison so that you will need the medicine he wants to sell you,

    The tower of Babel represents an attempt by man to explain natural phemomenon (diverse languages) by creating a god whom they could not raise above their own spiriutal immaturity.
     
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    As with many scriptures it the reoccuring theme on the nature of man that is illustrated. I have often said of those who use the Bible as their source of inspiration that we need to have complete understanding and mastery of the first 3 chapters of Genesis. The first 3 charters of Genesis tells us who we are, where we came from, why we are here, who we serve and why we are in the condition we are in now. If you examine the scriptures you will find two faults in man. First: If man is given a choice man chooses to love himself more than he loves God. Second: man takes God for granted. When we look at the creation of man God created man equipped with knowledge and dominion over his world. This is why man was able to name everything in his world. God also had so much love for man he took a part of man out of himself so he would have someone to share with, bond with and love on his level. God created a paradise for man yet man was not satisfied. Man took all that for granted and basically told God "yeah everything you've done is all good but what have you done for me lately?" This is a prevailing attitude throughout the Bible...

    The scripture in question really has less to do about the towel itself than the lesson behind it. We see two things happening here. We see men building monuments to themselves. This is the same self love that got man in trouble in the first place. Then we see God's love despite his wayward children. creating a language barrier was not punishment be an act of love. God breathed life into man of which God invested a part of himself in man. Each man has a measure of God within himself. This is why God said if all men came together as one working on a common goal there would be nothing man couldn't do. Remember at that time man was subject to the desires of his flesh therefore if the power of God were focus upon something that was wicked man would doom himself to eternal damnation. Also this is the plan of Satan. One world government, one world church, one world ecomony, one world currency, new world order this is Satan's plan of world domination. If you look around Satan's plan is taking place. Look at Europe and the conversion to the Euro. These are things that have been foretold and will come to pass.

    We must always rememeber that God has written the script already therefore God is privy to the whole story. God is in the beginnig as well as at the end. We are just role player.


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