Haiti : TOUSSAINT L’OVERTURE (1743-1803) BLACK REVOLUTIONARY — Liberator of Haiti

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    The impassable mountains of Saint Domingue (Haiti). cut the island in two parts. The Spaniards occupied one part: the French took possession of tile We3tern part in 1630. With the use of Black Slave labour France made this colony the richest and most envied of all the other imperialist nations.
    During the 17th Century there were 2,000,000 black slaves in Saint Domingue who toiled under the yoke of slavery, and their cruel slave masters to keep up a steady flow of "Sugar", cotton and Indigo to France and increase the wealth of the plantation owners and France. The cruel treatment by the white made the slaves more determined to free themselves from slavery.
    Many slaves were escaping and using various means of taking revenge on the the whites — some used poisons, others tried to wreck the economy by burning the crops and killing the most valuable slaves. Macandal, a slave who had escaped and had succeeded in poisoning several slave masters, was caught and ordered to be burnt alive on a January afternoon in 1758. A boy of 15, Toussaint, watched Macandal twisting and writhing in the flames. At the same time the white people laughed, joked and mocked at Macandal’s agony. The slaves looked on in horror. This sight filled Toussaint with one ambition: to rid Saint Domingue of slavery and free his black brothers and sisters.
    Toussaint Breda, as he was then called, was born on the night of May 20th, 1743 in Cap Francis. He was the son of two slaves who toiled on a plantation in Cap Francis. Toussaint was a sickly child but as he grew up his body hardened with the harshness of slavery. He was taught arithmetic, how to read and write French and Latin. His father taught him the Arada language and how to use herbs for medicine. Toussaint was aware of the importance of his African ancestry by the stories his mother and father told him about Africa and the tactics that were employed in war by the various African Kings, and warriors.
    When Toussaint was old enough to take up duties as a slave he was put in charge of the cattle. He did his work well but was saddened at the menial mechanical jobs the Blacks were given. Daily he would watch his fellow slaves working on the sugar plantations, laboring under the lash of the whip. Toussaint was very clever, he hid his feelings: he smiled at the overseers and gave the impression that he was happy and contented; but always the sight of Macandal twisting in agony lingered in his memory, and the promise he made to free his people.


    At the age of 12 Toussaint could jump on a horse at full speed and make it perform anything he wished. He could also swim across a dangerous river without being in danger of drowning. By the time Toussaint was 21 be had read quite a lot on military art, economics, and politics.
    Slavery usually dulls the intelligence of a slave and degrades his character, but as we will see Toussaint was not dulled or marred by slavery in any way.

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    After reading the article in its fullness I was a little disapointed in the ending. Toussaint had one critical flaw that was not even mentioned. As great and resourceful as he was, he could not overcome the desire to associate with his former slave masters. He had the conditioning that many of our people suffer from even to this day. In the back of his mind he could not back away from or isolate himself mentally from the invisible bond that he psychologically maintained toward whites. Because of this failure to break his mental bonds, he went to dialogue personally with the French concerning the terms of the tready. They have no such alliegance toward him or us. Therefore he basically volunteered to be surrendered to his enemies and was taken to France where he was brutalized until he died in a French prison a few years after he surrendered to them. So often this aspect of his life and death are seldom adressed. Because of his mental conditioning, he never realized that what he held on to about whites forced him to remain a slave until his voluntary surrender to his white masters. He died seeking the approval of whites is the lesson that a people of color should uderstand and teach there future generations . Whites have no such loyalty to us. Never have and never will have this trained mind set. They love themselves and their own kind too much for that kind of thinking. Peace
     
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    Greetings brotha Seksen, I'm sure your realise that the 'link' is an extremely abridged version of Toussaint's life and death. Its interesting that you see his actions as
    (and you are entitled to your view). Whereas I see his 'actions' as doing what every General (Leader of Men/politician) does - meet and communicate their 'agendas' to each other (even today). Eye could almost guarantee (but I wont ;)) that Toussaint never voluntarily surrendered to any 'white master'. His 'mistake' - and it is no real mistake - was thinking that those 'Generals' whom he was dealing with, were as Honourable as he.

    Peace
     
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    I have read other accounts of Toussaints surender and life story. He was told by his own generals to send REPRESENTATIVES to discuss the treaty. He was hard headed and wanted to face the French and discuss the terms face to face at the table of negotiotion. Only an ignorant person wants to face an enemy face to face at this level of politics. This is why SECRETARIES, AMBASSADORS, NEGOTIATORS are used in discussing the terms of political agreements instead of the PRESIDENT personally who got the victory over an enemy in war. Retalliation is always possible if you make an appearance before terms are settled. As I said earlier, he wanted to personally negotiate with the whites. He also wanted them to accept him as their equal. He also wanted to be restored as a member of the White Catholic Church. This is the same mind set of many blacks today,and you know this is true and factual. Why do you think so many of us want to marry mssah,and his children, or want to move next door, or bleach our skin or our hair blond to try to look like the one who has done us the most harm. This a mental issue regardless of what you think or say. As for as I know you could have some of the same issues as he had. By the way, this article is not the only information about the beliefs, life, conflicting ideas,mindset and ego of Toussaint L'Overture. Peace
     
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    Please show & prove these alligations on our ancestor because you are making a lot of harsh charges without any proof. All you seem to want to do in this thread is talk ugly about him and discredit his efforts. We all have our opinions, but you seem to be going out of your way for this brother.

    Can you post a link, or direct me to the reading material you mentioned where you found all of this *new info* on the brother?

    - :gossip:
     
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    Brotha Seksen you have touched on various issues above and I'm a little confused as to what you are trying to say. There are many accounts of Toussaint L'Overture - as with anything, it is all dependant upon what source material you read. And you seem to know what he wanted. I would say that to understand the man you must also understand the culture he was born into. Eye already know we will not see eye to eye on this matter, and its all good because you will have your view and eye will have mine. Eye will not be drawn into debate with you over a great Ancestor's mental health. Neither you were or eye were there, nor did we interact with him and its a futile exercise imo. But what eye do know is that he attended that 'meeting' with those Generals with the full knowledge that he had left behind an effective command structure! :jumping: and one that did not falter in its purpose.

    As to 'men' and ego's ... imma leave that one right there!.:10200:

    Peace
     
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    Toussaint is famously known as the "Slave who defeated Napoleon"
     
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    I admire his military genius, determination to win and his stamina on the battlefield. I also know that a wise person has to be more than a good fighter to stay ahead of their enemies. As a people we need to develop this same balance in all of our aspirations. This is needed because our enemies keep changing their stratagies on us. They keep one or two steps ahead of us because we in general are reactionary rather than projectionary in our outlook on possible future events. To the other person who wants me to give them sources, you will have to research and force your mind to lookup various souces for yourself. I will not "give you" or "spoon feed you", what you refuse to do to gain knowledge for yourself. No one or two opinions are the tell all or be all on any subject. My advice to all is read, research, and look into more than one, two, or three sources to gain a balance of information on any subject. In other words, FORCE YOUR MIND TO GROW AND ADRESS MORE THAN NARROW VIEWS ON ANY SUBJECT. Peace
     
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    LOL @
    - you haven't even heard my view! Nor did i ask you to research anything for me...I simply asked for the source (s) you say you were quoting because i have never heard anyone (IN ALL OF MY RESEARCH) talk so ugly about the brother as you previously did. It kind of reminded me of those white so called scholars who try to discredit the brother. You do realize this is the Haiti forum where we are here to big up our hatian family and their efforts, no?

    It appears you've only changed your tune after being asked to provide PROOF of your very questionable accusations. :eeek:

    Which means, just like those so called white scholars, that you're making up ish!!

    I mean you've been here for a while and you've seen some of these types of threads and you want me/us to believe that you don't think the posters here know about Touissant L'ouveture or ever heard of him??
    - brilliant suggestion, but the only problem is that it doesn't seem like you've followed your own advice. :confused:


    & just so there's no hard feelings, a gift.....

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