Black Parenting : To the single moms raising young Black men

[rapunzal24]

To avoid the scandal, I thought he didn't want to cause her shame, that is why he wanted to avoid public knowledge. Maybe you have a quote from the Bible that will give me a new insight.

I stand corrected. He wanted it done privately so as to avoid the scandal

Quit lurking





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[Chevron Dove]

Yes

Uhm, you do realize that tradition has it Joseph was murder for protesting a tax collection? Perhaps you should stay away from these scriptural analogies. They leave your arguments full of holes. HE did not condone sex out of wedlock. In fact, he hels traditional views on that issue.


Sister dont screw up like this, isnt bashing. It is a cautionary tale. Ignore it to ones peril. Moreover, not recognizing it is why the current bad situation exists. Some things DO follow you for life

This is not a support for single mothers. It is a condemnation for a double standard. How dare you stone a female that many of you had been with or wanted to. Again, you have it twisted! and wrong

The problem is, you keep finding excuses for the screw up and thus enables the original sin. You want it both ways. It doesnt work that way





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I put the entire context of that scripture that shows I agree with you in that Jesus never condoned 'adultery' but he told the woman to sin no more. So you can tell me to 'stay away from using the Bible' in the same manner that Europeans outlawed the Bible even though it is intended for all to see all over the world, but that is wrong. I have the right to reference the Bible just as I should be able to research and access other references in a research. Now your belittleing me, and that is wrong.

When you say, 'some things do follow you for life', you ignore the power of God's forgiveness, and you ignore the complete story of Mary of magdalene. Her actions were forgiven by Jesus and he healed her, and she followed him. So when you say, 'people's actons follow them for life', in reality, it may not be the person who ask for redemption, but it is often others who want to bash that person, and continually throw up issues that they have already gotten the victory over.

No, I would never condone 'the sin', but I believe in helping people who want to live a healthy life. God forgives the sinner, not the sin. This thread is about helping a single mother raise her son, it should not be about bashing her for wanting to do that. You come in this thread bashing her for having a relationship that caused this beautiful son of her to be here on this earth. Let's deal with the child, not bash the mother.

Oh yeah, the traditon you stated about Joseph, you need to provide a reference because I'm sure you know that is not in the Bible.

 

[chuck]

"Many females reject your views of theor chastity"


Really?

Well, I'm not sure about that, but yes, from a government perspective, I definitely hold women responsible for negative actions, but at the same time, it is wrong to bash a mother seeking mankind, men, to be responsible for their children. i agree that the lack of marriage is what is wrong. But i believe that there are many women who want to be married but then, there are many men who don't want to marry either. The institution of marriage is being ignored and people just want to have relationships for fun and ignore the responsible part that goes along with relationships. But people make mistakes, however, it is how we recover from these mistakes, many times that makes us great people and victorious. Just because someone may have made a mistake and concieved out of wedlock doesn't mean they can't get the victory. That is why I think the story about Jesus and his mother Mary is so important for Black people. Jesus was like 'a step child' in a way, and Joseph should have been responsible enough to respect Mary as this son grew up, but I tell you, most Christians overlook what happened when Jesus was about 12, and later when he was at the cross and there is NO MENTION OF JOSEPH. He could not sustain, and his negative actions affected his own sons, the brothers of Jesus. The sins of the father do affect their generations. But no matter, Mary stuck it to the end through and through, and she was rewarded, and that's is what I call a story to encourage mothers, especially Black mothers who might have been abandoned by their children's fathers and who are trying to fend for their sons. If they hang in there, just like Mary, one day they will be rewarded, to have great men, just like Mary. Jesus looked out for his mother even while he was on the cross, he directed his friends...because his brothers, Mary sons, weren't even around.

However, I do take serious issue with Black women who choose to dominate mankind, but when a women is seeking help from men and gets bashed, I believe that is so detrimental to the Black community as a whole. It helps no one. It tears down our people. Single mothers need support and encouragment from Black men not scorn. So that leads me to your 'general reference' of the gospel:

[3] And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
[4] They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
[5] Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
[6] This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
[7] So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
[8] And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
[9] And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
[10] When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
[11] She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. JOHN 8:3-11

See, the problem here is that so many men want to attack women and at the same time, hide their mistakes, their sin. Now how in teh world could they get that women and not drag that man out and stone him too? Something is wrong with the priesthood. Now, I am grateful that I've been married to one man for about 24 years, and I have no desire to commit adultery, and my children our his biological children, and i suppose that it is the nurtured instinct in me that has developed that causes me to see things that you or others may not see. But I believe in community building, and we can't get anywhere if we don't try to uplift people who are willing to be uplifted. But no, I am not for anyone who don't want to be uplifted. If someone wants to stay in their sin, then, I'm out.

Yes

Uhm, you do realize that tradition has it Joseph was murder for protesting a tax collection? Perhaps you should stay away from these scriptural analogies. They leave your arguments full of holes. HE did not condone sex out of wedlock. In fact, he hels traditional views on that issue.


Sister dont screw up like this, isnt bashing. It is a cautionary tale. Ignore it to ones peril. Moreover, not recognizing it is why the current bad situation exists. Some things DO follow you for life

This is not a support for single mothers. It is a condemnation for a double standard. How dare you stone a female that many of you had been with or wanted to. Again, you have it twisted! and wrong

The problem is, you keep finding excuses for the screw up and thus enables the original sin. You want it both ways. It doesnt work that way

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The issue and problem is you operate on a faith based level...

But not even those of the same religious faith (on this thread) agree with you...

Also those you are striving to reach and teach might not even be of the same faith...

So I suggest a different approach to get them to face up to what you allege or are their shortcomings...

The short version:

Don't preach and do teach...

Peace, out!

 

[chuck]

This sounds like self-responsibility to me. Am I correct?

Yes, some of us might well have fond memories related to going to the church of our grandparents and parents eras...

But, these days, even on past threads of this website, some did and do complain about how too many of today's churches are less a positive reflection of anybody making a difference, i. e., promoting ethical standards, teaching about high moral standards, etc., and more about just about hyping money making dreams and schemes...

The mega pew monsters near Detroit's Grand River Avenue and the one under construction on Detroit's Woodward Avenue are meant to serve who and its pastors teach what?!?

You continue to live in Detroit, so run down the real, Kemey...

And thanks in advance...

 

[Kemetstry]

To avoid the scandal, I thought he didn't want to cause her shame, that is why he wanted to avoid public knowledge. Maybe you have a quote from the Bible that will give me a new insight.

A scandal IS shame. You got one right. Quit while you're ahead. lol





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