Black Spirituality Religion : Thug Heaven? Heaven for a G?

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  1. ifasehun

    ifasehun Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Since as long as anybody can remember, young brothers have been pouring out liquor on the street corner for their fallen friends. Young men that have died from gang violence, disease, police violence and drug wars.


    Thug Heaven?
    This has spawned a popular aspect of Hip Hop, which is pay homage to fallen "street soldiers" which inevitably pushed the question, "Is there a Heaven for a G (gangster)?"

    Well the short answer is yes. Africans and Native Americans believe EVERYONE, with the exception of disturbed souls (that their death was so violent and unexpected that they have to be ushered into the afterworld through special means. Many middle passage, civil war soldiers, Vietnam vets, lynching victims etc. fall into this category). There is a "heaven" for thugs, but it isn’t pretty.

    Heaven is simply the afterworld and it is "good" or "bad" based on how you live. Indigenous people say rapists go to live with rapists in the afterworld. Killers, egomaniacs, bigots, etc. They go to a place to reside with people like themselves. So they will be surrounded, at least initially with all the misery they experienced in life.


    When we tell the family of these dead children that their children are finally at rest, we are most likely lying. Many relive their days on Earth so they can fully understand the evil they caused others. Their souls do not rest. They are tormented and troubled.
    We call these people that die but do not become Ancestors "Dark Deceased" in some cultures.

    What do Thugs do in Heaven?
    But what they do in Heaven is the same as what righteous people do. They recount their time on Earth, hear what lessons they failed to learn, and begin to process that for reincarnation. Some are so terrible that they are not given opportunities to return as long as their evil is felt on Earth. If Hitler was human (and I have reason to doubt that he was) you can be sure that he probably hasn’t reincarnated yet. It wouldn’t be logical to let me cross over into Life again when millions of spirits that haven’t caused that much suffering are waiting to reincarnate as well. (Please know these references to numbers are for human understanding and aren’t to be taken too literally. The point is that many ancestors and what we call "Yet to be Born" are waiting to experience Divine Creation.)

    Should I pour out a little Liquor?
    But it’s important to realize that the pouring of Liquor or Libation is a rite RESERVED EXCLUSIVELY for those that lived good MORAL lives. When we pour libation to a person we are HONORING and INVOKING their character, behavior and beliefs. We are asking them to bring us MORE of what they gave us on Earth.

    When we pour liquor to fallen "street soldiers" we are INVOKING the sale of drugs, the use of firearms, the objectification of women, the fear they breed among our elderly, the vice grip they hold on our blocks. We are asking them to BRING MORE of that into our lives. To help us continue to fight gang wars. To help continue to be able to do WHATEVER it takes to get fly clothes rims and secret "cribs" where we hide secret girlfriends. We are invoking their desire for money, their desire for revenge, their desire for power and respect.


    We are welcoming more crime, more death, and more materialism into our lives.

    When we pour liquor to a dead gang member we are praying for MORE gang members. When we pour liquor to a dead pimp we are praying for MORE pimps to be born and molded.

    And on and on the cycle goes. There is a spiritual consequence for performing this rite on the wrong people.

    "The Rules"
    • We do not pour libation for people that died in violence that was not community endorsed (just war) - In most cultures they don’t get public funerals either.
    • We do not pour libation for criminals. - In most cultures they don’t get public funerals either.
    • We do not pour libation for deceased children, even they were good people. What could a child spirit offer us in the way of wisdom???
    • We do not pour libation for people that died of ailments out of norm for there age or that betray a bad lifestyle. - In most cultures they don’t get public funerals either.
    • We do not pour libation for people that commit suicide. No exceptions. (This is always the one that everyone feels they ought to do it "anyway" and end getting hurt even WORST.)
    • We only pour libation for Elders that were moral and responsible.

    Healing the Thugs
    If you have a loved one that didn’t die as an Ancestor you can pray for their spiritual elevation in your prayers to God, not the Ancestors. Pray that they learn the lessons of their lives well and that they make it safely to the afterworld if they aren’t there already. Light a candle every once in awhile for them.

    If you feel the presence of a relative or friend that died violently, was a criminal, a sexual predator, a poor parent, or had any other bad characteristics that made them unpleasant to most, you should DEMAND that they LEAVE and find DIVINE SPIRIT. It’s not your job to help them do that, because as vagrant spirits they are MORE dangerous than they were alive and become very DESPERATE and VIOLENT in their confusion. Only a professional spiritualist should call and work directly with one of these spirits. You can light a candle for them to move towards as a "metaphor" for spiritual realization. That is. Anything more and you may get hurt. (Literally. I have seen this happen with my own eyes.)


    What Impact do Dark Deceased have our lives?
    Many of u are fighting with spouses because of vagrant spirits that couldn’t keep relationship during their lives or battling with a boss that walks with a vagrant spirit that was a slave master etc. Or you want to give up the gang life but feel "compelled" back by an old friend that is now a morally unresolved spirit.

    This is why you shouldn’t pour libation to them. Or call their names in praise. (Notice how your grandparents didn’t speak about certain people?)

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    for those that love traditional african religion
     
  2. Sekhemu

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    Interesting thoughts. As a spiritualist, I agree wholeheartedly with this though I wouldn't consider the realm for extremely evil people a 'heaven.' It may not be fire and brimstone, but anyone who can be 'content' doing so much harm to others are always in a hell both in the physical plane and on the astral realms. Spiritual growth is impossible when you are that evil, though I believe God gives up on no one, even the most wicked of souls.
     
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    their only a myth, no such thing as Thug heaven or for a G
    just something these weak minded people came up with
    no real truth to it so it holds no value ..............................
     
  6. ifasehun

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    sorry james. even if the article is mine?

    i am the author of the article and owner of the site. i only posted teh link because the article is updated there with supplementary info.
     
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    I feel real bad for people who think there is a heaven for those like "thugs." I don't understand that reincarnation stuff, so I just won't say anything on it.
     
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    I believe if an evil person is to go to a 'heaven', they must free themselves of the evil behavior first.

    So while I agree with the article, I think heaven is a misnomer for the realm evil spirits who have not evolved go to.
     
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    That heaven and hell stuff is like a whirlwind. Things get really mixed up. I think I agree with you, Karmashines.
     
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    Heaven is prospering in life, hell is misery confusion, deciet, etc. If I'm wrong, name what is better or worse than those two extremes.
     
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