Black History Culture : They Came Before Columbus.. Excellent 47minute lecture by Ivan Van Sertima

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    REFERENCEs : The books on Columbus Mr. Sertima is speaking of in the beginning of the video

    Christopher Columbus, his life, his work, his remains, as revealed by original printed and manuscript records, together with an essay on Peter Martyr of Anghera and Bartolomé de las Casas, the first historians of America by John Boyd Thacher.

    Published 1903 by The A.H. Clark Co. in Cleveland .

    Archive.org links:

    Volume 1 : http://www.archive.org/details/christophercolum11thac
    Volume 2 : http://www.archive.org/details/christophercolum02thacuoft
    Volume 3 : http://www.archive.org/details/christophercolum03thacuoft

    You can download a free digital copy or view each volume online.. I reccomend you save the FULL TEXT version along with a PDF version. The text version will allow you to search for keywords.. the EPUB format is incredibly compact.. Download SIGIL which is a EPUB format Writer/Reader to view and even EDIT these files.

    download this video.. http://www.keepvid.com
     
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    "..but as I come to close, i want you to bear this in mind: the history of the world is not written,
    the history of Europe.. perhaps.. There remains a great deal to be done. There's a whole world out there[..] a whole new set of things are emerging.. this is no closed chapter.. this last chapter has been written with a certain eye.. an eye that has been blind to the genius of the African. Therefore it is only by opening another eye.. by having a different kind of illumination, a different kind of vision.. that the history of the Americas.. that the history of the African can truly be written."

    -Ivan Van Sertima
     
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    I can most certainly agree with Ivan Van Sertima that "We Came Before Columbus;" but I have strong doubts that those kingdoms/civilizations in the Americas "Came Before Kemet" as some authors may hypothesize.

    Science has even attested that LIFE (Mitochondrial Eve) originates in AFRICA.

    So, I have strong mis-givings that Africans developed the Americas BEFORE we developed AFRICA.
     
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    Skuder I have a copy of this book They Came Before Columbus... It is an eye opener to say the least.
     
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    Where has Van Sertima stated that Afrikans in the Amerikas developed before we developed Afrika?

    From most of what I have read that is written by Van Sertima he has shown links to the Mande speaking Malian Moors, and an earlier group from around 800 BC.
     
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    This is not an answer to your post.. but your reference to the Mande languages reminded me of a post I made in another thread that I meant to move over here..
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    ...Here are some scraps from my own research of Van Sertima's assertions:
    In, "African Language Structures (1973)", the author mentions some linguistic linkeage between the Mayan languages of Central America and Mande languages of West Africa. He then, rather arrogantly, dismisses the links as "coincidence", but when you consider what we know of the Southern Equatorial Current and also the evidence mentioned by Keita about the Tobacco and Cocaine being found in Kemet, it appears rather more likely that the Mande and Mayan languages are indeed connected.

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    To go along with that.. here is an excerpt from a Maritime publication describing The South Equatorial Current that connects West Africa to Central America..

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    And here is a chart of the ocean currents between Africa and the Americas.

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    And here is a side by side depiction of Mayan and Egyptian Hieratic Alphabet.

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    (I'll post the book I got this last piece from when I find it..​
    I did this screen shot quite a while ago)​



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    Come on now, REALLY??....You actually QUOTED ME yet you still asked me THIS?!

    WHERE do you see that I said that VAN SERTIMA stated that "Africans in the Americas developed before Africa??"

    I SAID, "as SOME AUTHORS may HYPOTHESIZE," obviously meaning/indicating that an author OTHER THAN Van Sertima has intimated this claim.

    Moreover, my post was directed to Skuderjaymes who KNEW EXACTLY to what "OTHER AUTHOR" I was referring. ----- Specifically, that "OTHER AUTHOR" would be Horace Butler who wrote "When Rocks Cry Out" which is a thread posted by Fine1952.

    http://destee.com/index.php?threads/when-rocks-cry-out.63554/


    ......And, I'm not being snarky when I say this >>>>

    But maybe you really do need to get some eye-glasses cuz otherwise your post to me comes off as snarky-ness to ask me this when I so clearly said otherwise.

    Either you genuinely missed or mis-read part of my post OR your intentions were otherwise.
     
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    omowalejabali, cherryblossom,

    Yeah.. that's my bad... I meant to answer that message from Cherryblossom to close that loop that you stepped into... Cherryblossom and I were over in the Rocks Cry out thread.. and this is just a spillover from that..

    -my bad..
     
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    No, it's not "your bad." --- Even though my post had an "inside meaning" to you, that still doesn't explain/excuse how he misconstrued/twisted what I said.
     
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