Libya : The United States of Africa with Libya's Khadafy as president

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Through groups like the Nation of Islam, many African Americans have come to believe that Islam was our original religion, and that Christianity was a slave religion. This explanation is convincing to those who do not have a knowledge of African history. However, for those that do have a knowledge of African history. It is known that Islam is not the original religion of the black man, it was introduced into Africa through slavery (the Trans-Saharan trade, which pre-dates the American slave trade by hundreds of years), and wars (Jihads). Furthermore, for those who know about African history, it is known that Christianity/Hebrews were in Africa for hundreds of years before it was in <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=Europe&v=56">Europe</a> (Axum in Ethiopia was a Christian civilization since 300 AD, and it had ties to the religion since the Queen of Sheba meet Solomon).

Despite this small history lesson, the best way for you to understand why Islam is so popular among African Americans is to ask a Black Muslim Joyce (I'm not one). I have no problem with the Nation of Islam, in fact I support many of their economic & cultural beliefs. I just don't happen to believe their religious philosophy. I for one have religious tolerance, as I believe that religion wars/tribalism, etc....have been key factors in preventing Africans from uniting. Since this is slightly off topic, I'd like to move it elsewhere. However Joyce if you're interested, you might get a better understanding of this subject by reading a discussion between myself, Chukwuemeka, & DreamFunk in the African Stereotypes thread (on this forum).
Fire! well said my Lord. the necessity for Black Supremacy, Black Power is a real one, as Marcus Garvey teaches, Race first. which means we have to cannonize our own martyers, saints, and God/King. it is only right that we see God throguh our own specticles, for if I am Black and we were made in the Image and Likeness of JAh then God in Conscious must be Black.

let us keep this medetation alive, Did you ever come across the example Idid Amin set. It is teh greatest example aswell as Haile Selassie I's in Africa. in teh case of what and how to deal with these Arabs and Islam in Africa? (the program of Idi Amin is what we need. (note, who is not a demon but a God and King of Africa)

Nation of Islam, some good things about them, but they are leading out black brothers and sisters to the wrong place. and they know Islam is not African, don't let that free mason society fool you (not dirested to you)

Blessed Love
 

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Prophet Chris said:
Fire! well said my Lord. the necessity for Black Supremacy, Black Power is a real one, as Marcus Garvey teaches, Race first. which means we have to cannonize our own martyers, saints, and God/King. it is only right that we see God throguh our own specticles, for if I am Black and we were made in the Image and Likeness of JAh then God in Conscious must be Black.

let us keep this medetation alive, Did you ever come across the example Idid Amin set. It is teh greatest example aswell as Haile Selassie I's in Africa. in teh case of what and how to deal with these Arabs and Islam in Africa? (the program of Idi Amin is what we need. (note, who is not a demon but a God and King of Africa)

Nation of Islam, some good things about them, but they are leading out black brothers and sisters to the wrong place. and they know Islam is not African, don't let that free mason society fool you (not dirested to you)

Blessed Love

I agree with all of you about the Arabs. They absolutely mean us no good. Arabs have taken Islam and turned it around to disguise their dirty way of life and that is demoralizing women and enslaving Black Africans, and subjugating Blacks all over the world. So I am there with all of you.

However, we need to be clear about Islam. Islam means submitting to the will of God, plain and simple. Just because these fools have turned it around doesn't make Islam all bad. A Muslim submits his will to the will of God. If we followed this doctrine we would be a at peace that is not just Islam that is African.

When I went to Senegal, a 90% Muslim country, I founded it to be very peaceful, and the leaders not using Islam to brutally enslave the people. However the women to me still don't have a voice and Islam is used to keep them down. That is my problem with what is done with Islam in Senegal.

The muslims there also follow there traditonal cultural ways. They dance their dance, they sing their songs and follow their African traditons which is good. Women are empowered to express themselves in that light. So it is not all bad. There is need for improvement.

Now back to Khadafi, as far as I know he is supporting, financially the AFrican Union. He has yet to give Minister Farrakhan the 1 billion dollars he promised him, and he can do that now that the sanctions have been lifted.

I don't trust him and I am hoping that Black African leaders from all over the diaspora will pool their monies and support the African Union and tell Khadafi to go you know where.

Lastly, brothers and sisters, we cannot alienate ourselves from the brothers and sisters who call themselves Christian, Muslims and Jews. We must embrace them, understand the similarities of what they believe and our traditional systems and show them and a patient way that it does not matter what they are but that our unity will save us not our religious belief.

Submitting to God's will is as African as you can get.
 

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One of the biggest aspirations of the PanAfrican movement is to form a United States of Africa. Similar to the recently formed European Union, a United States of Africa would link the economies, industries, militaries, and various resources of several African nations into one powerful entity. Ideally this Nation would function like the US with One President and a cabinet, with each individual country acting as member states. This idea grew out of the failure of OAU (Organization of African Unity) in the 1960s. However it gained more attention in the late 1990s when Libya's President Moammar Khadafy suggested the concept to Nigeria & South Africa (after his failed attempt to form an Arab League).

A chief concern for the proposed United States of Africa (and the main reason the idea has not yet come to fruition) is how to merge the incredibly diverse peoples and culture of Africa. Besides tribalism and border issues, a major bar to the success of such a venture would be language issues. One of the biggest factors which led to the "cultural" success of the United States was the common language factor. Khadafy realizing this, would solve this problem by having the official language of the proposed African Union be Arabic. However this would be difficult as most countries in Africa speak either English or French. It also brings up another issue, that of leadership.

I believe that the idea of a United States of Africa is a great one. One neccessary for the prosperity of Africans throughout the Diaspora (making an effort to create a Black Super Powever, instead of making Western European countries great). However as with many issues involving Africa and black people in general, the leadership must be questioned. Khadafy loyalty appears to lie more with his Arabs ancestors and Libya rather than Africa. That he proposed (actually championed) the United States of Africa after his efforts to form an Arab League failed can't be overlooked. Also his insistence on making the offical language of this proposed union Arabics is a nod to the Middle East. Not to mention that he would like the United States of Africa to work closely with the Middle East.

Africa is a continent that is rich in natural resources, which includes Oil (Nigeria, Congo, and Equatorial Guinea). Since oil is the biggest resource of the Arab nations, it is not economically advantageous for Africa to form a connection. Furthermore, the terrorist links of the Middle East would leave the proposed United States of Africa open to attack before it had a chance to develop. Khadafy himself was considered to be the world's biggest terrorist in the 1980's, and he recently admitted that he was attempting to build a nuclear bomb (although he has publicly stopped building Weapons of Mass Destruction). All this would make an African/Arab partnership dangerous for Africa.

My question to my fellow PanAfricanist is whether or not you think a United States of Africa is neccessary? If so, do you think it is possible? What language should be chosen? What type of Economic System should be established? Lastly who do you think could lead it? Lets Discuss!
Gaddafi is dead so no there should be no one head of a United Africa nor should it condescend to what the EU is. a corporate controlled oligarchy devoid of any input from the masses
 

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Agreed Chukwuemeka! Arabs are the original enslavers of Africa. The Arabic controlled Trans-Saharan slave trade pre-dated the Trans-Atlantic by some 1000 years. Although less well known (at least to non-historians), this slave trade was no less brutual. Arabs made Eunichs out of male Africans, used female Africans as sex slaves, and surplanted native African religion & culture with their own (regardless of what my brothers in the NOI say, Islams is no more our native religion than Christianity is). According with numerous reports Arabs are even continuing to enslave Africans in the Sudan till this day, and they are causing much turmoil with Jihads. An African/Arabic marriage would be a treacherous one to say the lest.

Sadly I believe that the sole reason that Africans are considering (defering) a merger with Arabs is because there are currently no African leaders with political and economic influence on a global scale: South Africa's Mbeki is weak (caters to white folk too much), Senegal's Wade is a puppet of the French, Equatorial Guinea's Nguema is a dictator that would make Saddam jealous, Nigeria's Obasanjo can't control the turmoil in his own country, etc. Merging with Arabic nations (including Africa's North: Morroco, Egypt, Libya, Tunsia, Algeria) would give a proposed United States of Africa more global respect, but again I think the risk outweighs the benefits.

If this idea is to work......the participating states would have to be very carefully selected. In in many cases, current administrations would have to be removed. One of Africa's biggest administrative problems is that it suffers from old leadership. Many of Africa's leaders were raised during colonization, and they have ruled for 30 years or more (Zimbabwe's Mugabe is an example of this). New blood needs to be brought in.........literally. Africa is badly in need of new ideas, and new leadership! With the right people behind it I believe a United States of Africa could become reality.
The idea of using Mugabe as an old African leader with nothing but problems for his people is totally wrong.
I have followed the issue of Zimbabwe closely on the New African news magazine and found to my greatest delight the lies, misinformation the west and their confused followers put out there to defame Uncle Mugabe failed to work.
Westernized minds find it difficult to see the continued lies and deceptions greedy invaders have been feeding us for ages to undermine our progress.
The current educational system must change, and the origin, source of all religions, their defects and effects on the Afreecan mind clearlly spelt out.
How can you progress when your enslaver remains your teacher?
 

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The idea of using Mugabe as an old African leader with nothing but problems for his people is totally wrong.
I have followed the issue of Zimbabwe closely on the New African news magazine and found to my greatest delight the lies, misinformation the west and their confused followers put out there to defame Uncle Mugabe failed to work.
Westernized minds find it difficult to see the continued lies and deceptions greedy invaders have been feeding us for ages to undermine our progress.
The current educational system must change, and the origin, source of all religions, their defects and effects on the Afreecan mind clearlly spelt out.
How can you progress when your enslaver remains your teacher?
But when Mugabe passes on, who do you see left to stand up to Amero/Euro recolonization?
 

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But when Mugabe passes on, who do you see left to stand up to Amero/Euro recolonization?
Our people in Zimbabwe will never let us down, they survived because they knew the lies, deceptions, killings and the near war to be the handiwork of people without any spiritual or emotional connection to the land.
I do not have any particular person or candidate in mind to replace our great bro but am confident the people will never let any baby politician steal or sell their hard won land freedom.
 

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Gaddafi is dead so no there should be no one head of a United Africa nor should it condescend to what the EU is. a corporate controlled oligarchy devoid of any input from the masses
Where exactly on this planet are the masses making any significant input with regard to either their individual or collective advancement?

Was it the input from the masses or Gaddafi’s intelligently focused leadership that gave ALL Libyans completely free healthcare [regardless of the expense/including getting treatment from the best specialists in the world] and education to as high a level as they wanted to go?

Are our lower echelons in the UK, USA the rest of the Diaspora and Africa any more consistently STUPID than the White Trash who are at least as poor and uneducated whereas look at just how consistently CLUELESS some of those REDNECKS who have attended the best schools and colleges in the USA are, apart from possibly too much inbreeding, what is their excuse?

Isn’t the crucial difference the fact that whites and the other more successful ethnic groups within the USA have their own intelligentsia very seriously focused on their collective advancement and well being whereas despite the efforts of some of our best scholars, all we have is a diverse array of TRAITORS/SELLOUTS who will do anything to anyone for money, which brings me back to my question below?

Can you NOW relate to why ALL the peoples of African ethnicity in general, in the USA and the rest of the Diaspora along with the Africans in Nigeria, South Africa and the rest of Africa in particular NEED the so uplifting TRUTHS of an African centred History Curriculum as the core of resurrecting both the individual and collective self esteem necessary to kick start the African Renaissance in the 21st century, by providing our people in general, our youth specifically with a strong foundation with regard to our capabilities in every area of human activity, TODAY?

Isn’t ANYONE who genuinely believes they are not programmed
graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE?
 

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Where exactly on this planet are the masses making any significant input with regard to either their individual or collective advancement?

Was it the input from the masses or Gaddafi’s intelligently focused leadership that gave ALL Libyans completely free healthcare [regardless of the expense/including getting treatment from the best specialists in the world] and education to as high a level as they wanted to go?

Are our lower echelons in the UK, USA the rest of the Diaspora and Africa any more consistently STUPID than the White Trash who are at least as poor and uneducated whereas look at just how consistently CLUELESS some of those REDNECKS who have attended the best schools and colleges in the USA are, apart from possibly too much inbreeding, what is their excuse?

Isn’t the crucial difference the fact that whites and the other more successful ethnic groups within the USA have their own intelligentsia very seriously focused on their collective advancement and well being whereas despite the efforts of some of our best scholars, all we have is a diverse array of TRAITORS/SELLOUTS who will do anything to anyone for money, which brings me back to my question below?

Can you NOW relate to why ALL the peoples of African ethnicity in general, in the USA and the rest of the Diaspora along with the Africans in Nigeria, South Africa and the rest of Africa in particular NEED the so uplifting TRUTHS of an African centred History Curriculum as the core of resurrecting both the individual and collective self esteem necessary to kick start the African Renaissance in the 21st century, by providing our people in general, our youth specifically with a strong foundation with regard to our capabilities in every area of human activity, TODAY?

Isn’t ANYONE who genuinely believes they are not programmed
graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE?
lower eschelon? that sounds kinda elitist bro, exactly what percentage of the African population do you consider lower echelon?
 

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