Black People : The Truth About Thanksgiving

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  1. Nisa

    Nisa Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    “When we met with the Wampanoag people, they told us that in researching the history of Thanksgiving, they had confirmed the oral history passed down through their generations. Most Americans know

    Activist Russell Means
    that Massasoit, Chief of the Wampanoag, had welcomed the so-called Pilgrim Fathers—and the seldom-mentioned Pilgrim Mothers—to the shores where his people had lived for millennia. The Wampanoag taught the European colonists how to live in our hemisphere by showing them what wild foods they could gather, how, where, and what crops to plant, and how to harvest, dry and preserve them.

    The Wampanoag now wanted to remind White America of what had happened after Massasoit’s death. Massasoit was succeeded by his son, Metacomet, whom the colonists called “King” Philip. In 1675-1676, to show “gratitude” for what Massasoit’s people had done for their fathers and grandfathers, the Pilgrims manufactured an incident as a pretext to justify disarming the Wampanoag.

    The whites went after the Wampanoag with guns, swords, cannons and torches. Most, including Metacomet, were butchered. His wife and son were sold into slavery in the West Indies. His body was hideously drawn and quartered.

    For twenty-five years afterward, Metacomet’s skull was displayed on a pike above the whites’ village. The real legacy of the Pilgrim Fathers is treachery. Most Americans today believe that Thanksgiving celebrates a boar harvest, but that is not so.

    Massasot Treaty
    By 1970, the Wampanoag had turned up a copy of a Thanksgiving proclamation made by the governor of the colony; the text revealed the ugly truth: After a colonial militia had returned from murdering the men, women, and children of an Indian village, the governor proclaimed a holiday and feast to give thanks for the massacre. He encouraged other colonies to do likewise—in other words, every autumn the crops are in, go kill Indians and celebrate your murders with a feast.

    The Wampanoag we met at Plymouth came from everywhere in Massachusetts. Like many other eastern nations, theirs had been all but wiped out. The survivors found refuge in other Indian nations that had not succumbed to European diseases or to violence. The Wampanoag went into hiding, or joined the Six Nations, or found homes among the Delaware Shawnee nations, to name a few. Some also sought refuge in one of the two hundred eastern-seaboard nations that were later exterminated.

    Nothing remains of those nations but their names, and even some of those have been lost. Other Wampanoag, who couldn’t reach another Indian nation, survived by intermarriage with Black slaves or freedmen. It is hard to imagine a life terrible enough that people would choose instead, with all their progeny, to become slaves, but that is exactly what some Indians did.”

    (The above text was excerpted from Russell Means’ autobiography entitled, “Where White Men Fear To Tread.”)

    AACOOLDRE Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    So Thanksgiving is based on killing indians. How did this fact evade Blacks and Reds in this media age at this late date.
  3. info-moetry

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    This is from a song entitle "Nature of the THreat" by Rass Kass back in about 2000............

    Ras Kass

    Let freedom ring with a buckshot, but not just yet
    First we need to truly understand the nature of the threat
    And a pale man walks in the threshold of darkness
    Roughly 20,000 years ago the first humans evolved
    with the phenotypical trait, genetic recessive
    Blue eyes, blonde hair and white skin
    Albinism apparently was a sin to the original man, Africans
    So the mutants traveled North of the equator
    Called Europeans later, the first race haters
    So here's the Devil's alpha to the beta
    Cause history's best qualified to teach one
    Quoting German philosopher Schopenhauer
    "Every white man is a faded or a bleached one"
    Migration created further mutation
    Genetic drifts, evolution through recombination
    Adaptation to the climate
    As the Caucus Mountain man reverted to that of a primate
    Savage Neanderthals, until the late Paleolithic age
    That's when the Black Grimaldi man came
    With the symbol of the dragon, fire and art
    Check cave paintings in France and Spain to the Venus of Willendorf
    Around 2000 B.C. Southern Russians migrate in small units
    Those who travel West populated Europe
    Those who went East settled in Iran, known as Aryans

    1500 B.C. some crossed the Khyber Pass into India and
    created Hinduism, the first caste system, the origins of racism
    A white dot on the forehead meant elite
    The black dot - defeat; untrustable, untouchables
    They wrote the holy Vedas in Sanskrit
    That's the language that created Greek, German, Latin and English
    Now the Minoans around 2000 B.C.
    Starts on the island of Crete, in the Agean Sea
    The Greek culture begins Western Civilization
    But "Western Civilization" means "White Domination
    Myceneans learned from Kemet, called Egypt in Greek
    It existed since at least 3000 B.C.
    Creatin geometry and astronomy
    This knowledge influenced Plato, Socrates and Hippocrates
    Cause Imhotep, the real real father of medicine
    Was worshiped in Greece and Rome in the form of a Black African

    The word Africa comes from the Greek "Aphrike"
    meaning "without cold"; the word philosophy means "love of knowledge"
    Stole from first man, Greek power expands
    The first Greek fraternities band
    The word gymnasium is Greek for "naked"
    This was the place where adolescent boys were educated, and molested
    This was accepted because Greek culture was homosexual
    For example, Sappho trained girls on the island of Lesbos
    Hence, the word lesbian
    December 25th, the birth of Saturn
    A homosexual god, now check the historical pattern

    December 25, now thought the birth of Christ
    Was Saturnalia, when men got drunk,
    f**ked each other then beat their wife
    Fact is, it was still practiced, til they called it Christmas

    So put a gerbil on your Christmas list
    The Hellenistic Era, Alexander the Great
    Conquers all the way to India leavin four successor states
    By the Fifth century B.C., R.O.M.E.
    succeeds to be the conqueror of Egypt and Greece
    But had the threat of the Black Phoenicians in Sicily
    The Punic Wars began 264 B.C.
    The Black general Hannibal and Carthaginian Peace
    In 146 B.C. Carthage fell after a six-month siege
    Rome sold every citizen to slavery
    The first genocide of history
    And more bisexuality in sight; Julius Caesar was known as
    "every woman's husband and every man's wife"
    Spartacus Revolt, a slave rebellion that lost
    Where 6,000 slaves was nailed on a cross
    Cross? Aw, sh*t! Jesus Christ! Time for some-act-right
    Christians get your facts right
    Cause Christ was not his name
    That's Greek for "One who is anointed"
    Yoshua Ben Yosef was his name, do Christians know this?
    So who do you praise, do you know his name?
    Or do you do this in vain?
    Accepting the religion they gave slaves to behave

    Peep the description of historian Josephus
    "Short, dark, with an underdeveloped beard was Jesus"
    He had the Romans fearing revolution
    The solution was to take him to court and falsely accuse him
    After being murdered by Pilate how can it be
    these same white Romans established Christianity
    Constantine would later see the cross in a dream
    In his vision, it read "En Hawk Signo Wonka":
    "In this sign we conquer" - Manifest Destiny
    In 325 he convened the Nicean Creed
    And separated god into three
    Decided Jesus was born on December 25th
    and raised then on the third day is a myth
    Plus to deceive us
    Commissioned Michelangelo to paint white pictures of Jesus
    He used his aunt, uncle, and nephew
    Subconsciously that affects you
    It makes you put white people closer to God
    (Yo, 'The Man' got game like a motherf**ker!)
    True indeed, f**k it, JIHAD
    In the eight century Muslims conquered
    Spain, Portugal and France and controlled it for 700 years
    They never mention this in history class
    cause o'fays are threatened when you get the real lesson
    Moors from Baghdad, Turkey threatened European Christians
    Meaning, the white way of life; hence the Crusades for Christ

    On November 25th, 1491
    Santiago defeats the last Muslim stronghold, Grenada
    King Ferdinand gave thanks to God for victory
    And the Pope of Rome and declared this date to forever be
    A day of "Thanksgiving" for all European Christians

    Now listen, when you celebrate "Thanksgiving"
    What you are actually celebratin
    is the proclamation of the Pope of Rome
    Who later, in league with Queen Isabella
    sent Cardinal Ximenos to Spain
    to murder any blacks that resisted Christianity
    These Moors, these black men and women
    were from Baghdad, Turkey

    And today, you eat the turkey, for your "Thanksgiving" day
    as the European Powers destroyed the Turkeys
    Who were the forefathers of your mothers and fathers
    Now fight the power,

    Now around this time, Whites started callings us Negroes
    That's Spanish for black object meaning we're not really people
    but profit
    , and the triangle trade begins - they seize us
    Queen Elizabeth sends the first slaves on a ship named Jesus
    Stealing land from the indigenous natives
    Gave them alcohol to keep the Red Man intoxicated
    Whites claim they had to civilize these pagan animals
    But up until 1848 there's documented cases
    of whites bein the savage cannibals, eatin Indians
    In 1992, it's Jeffery Dahmer
    They slaughtered a whole race with guns
    Drugs, priests and nuns
    1763, the first demonic tactic of biological warfare
    As tokens of peace, Sir Jeffery Amherst
    passed out clothing and blankets to the Indian community
    Infested with small pox, knowing they had no immunity
    Today it's AIDS, you best believe it's man made
    Cause ain't a **** thing changed.. let me explain
    Now since people of color are genetically dominant
    and Caucasoids are genetically recessive
    and Whites expect to be predominant, meaning survive as a race then
    they simply must, take precautions
    That's why they're worried about their future now
    Cuz by 2050, almost all the Earth's population
    will be brown, then black, so understandin that, whites counterreact
    (I'm sayin'.. man.. them fools
    ain't nothin' but a teaspoon of milk in the world color majority)
    So they created a system
    to force blacks into an unnatural position
    That re-enforces the position of natural inferiority
    In addition, created guns and developed the ethnocentric view
    that God justifies every *******' thing they do
    Condition people to perceive whites' culture as civilized
    and every other culture considered primitive - not true!
    Racism is the system of racial subjugation against nonwhites
    in every areas of human relation
    Entertainment, education, labor, politics
    Law, religion, sex, war and economics
    See blacks were 3/5 of a man with tax purposes intended
    You think you're Afro-American?
    You're a 14th amendment and a good n*kka
    Jews don't salute the f**kin' swastika
    but n*kkaz pledge allegiance to the flag that accosted ya
    They never teach about the break of islands like Jamaica
    But before slaves came here whites would take a
    pregnant women, hang her from a tree by her toes
    Slice her stomach with a knife
    and let the unborn baby fall to the floor
    And stomp an unborn child in front of all the slaves
    to inbreed fear, so they'd be scared and behave
    and not rebel more
    Understand all whites must be perceived as potential predators
    I paraphrase historian Ishakamusa Barashango
    "Understand that regardless of the lofty ideas ingraved on paper
    in such documents as the Constitution or Declaration
    the basic nature.. of the European American white man
    remains virtually unchanged".. so check

    This is the nature of the threat

    One of the realest Rhymes you will ever see...............
  4. Pharaoh Jahil

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    There is still not a conscious flow that comes close to this!
  5. Sodwn2earth

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    So does this mean it's wrong to celebrate thanksgiving????
  6. Pharaoh Jahil

    Pharaoh Jahil Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Put it like this, while everyone is sitting around eating tomorrow, the Native Americans are going to be out mourning. Now, I would think considering the history of the Afrikan in this country that we should take into consideration how the Native American feels about this day.
  7. soulsearcher

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    White culture isn't going to teach this no way. And most of our schooling is done from whites. The image they put forth is that of Native Americans and whites sitting at the table feasting happily.

    Native Americans and Blacks also aren't as 'bonded' as some groups were during slavery days (though there were issues even back then). So this may further contribute to not being aware of what is true history, or just being apathetic to it because it doesn't pertain to one's own racial demographic.

    But yeah.. it is rough. My husband and I personally do not care to celebrate it, but it's difficult when you have other family members that are not as enlightened. :(
  8. SUN OF RA

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    More "Light" on Pranks-giving (Thanksgiving)

    And while we’re at it, let’s get the story or picture straight on the Pilgrims. After all, no lie can last forever. The Pilgrims were not some innocent and oppressed class of Christians who were seeking freedom from harsh treatment and religious persecution by the Church of England. The Pilgrims constituted the dregs of English society. They were the rejects! They were prostitutes, thieves, prisoners, sexual deviants, etc. The Pilgrims were thrown out of England and sent to cultivate a new colony in America owned by British business men (we call it community service today after being convicted of a crime). The Pilgrims were sent to cultivate a colony (corporate jurisdiction) named Virginia after the name of the corporation called the Virginia Company.

    In fact, according to history, no ship ever landed on Plymouth Rock. No such place ever existed. The Plymouth Rock story was created in 1741 by one of the descendants of the original Pilgrims. The Pilgrims did however stop in the city of Plymouth on their way to Virginia, but it was only because they were running low on alcohol (beer and rum). Yes, the Pilgrims were drunkards!

    The Pilgrims were degenerates! They ate rats and leather aboard the Mayflower (which was a slave ship) in order to stay alive. Of the 105 Pilgrims that made the voyage to America, only seven of them were mentally sane when they landed on American soil. The rest were mentally deranged.

    Once in America, the Pilgrims practiced cannibalism, homosexuality, rape, theft, and every other unimaginable act. One Pilgrim out of starvation violently murdered and butchered his wife and then ate her. Another Pilgrim dug up a dead Native American who was murdered three days prior and ate him. These acts and others are borne witness by 31 year old governor of the New England Pilgrims in a journal that he wrote in the year 1642:

    …and yet all this could not suppress the breaking out of sundry notorious sin, especially drunkenness and uncleanliness, not only in continence between persons unmarried, for which many both men and women have been punished sharply, some married persons, but that which is even worse, sodomy … Nevertheless Mayflower ancestry is still considered the highest in the United States.

    - Governor Bradley, 1642 (Journal)

  9. spicybrown

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    The Hype

    In a sense yes it's wrong, since we are the most oppressed peoples on the planet. Would it be safe to practice Middle Passage Day, on a cruise ship?
  10. Sami_Ra_Maati

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    More background info on Misgiving Day is found at:


    by Susan Bates
    Most of us associate the holiday with happy Pilgrims and Indians sitting down to a big feast. And that did happen - once.

    The story began in 1614 when a band of English explorers sailed home to England with a ship full of Patuxet Indians bound for slavery. They left behind smallpox which virtually wiped out those who had escaped. By the time the Pilgrims arrived in Massachusetts Bay they found only one living Patuxet Indian, a man named Squanto who had survived slavery in England and knew their language. He taught them to grow corn and to fish, and negotiated a peace treaty between the Pilgrims and the Wampanoag Nation. At the end of their first year, the Pilgrims held a great feast honoring Squanto and the Wampanoags.

    But as word spread in England about the paradise to be found in the new world, religious zealots called Puritans began arriving by the boat load. Finding no fences around the land, they considered it to be in the public domain. Joined by other British settlers, they seized land, capturing strong young Natives for slaves and killing the rest. But the Pequot Nation had not agreed to the peace treaty Squanto had negotiated and they fought back. The Pequot War was one of the bloodiest Indian wars ever fought.

    In 1637 near present day Groton, Connecticut, over 700 men, women and children of the Pequot Tribe had gathered for their annual Green Corn Festival which is our Thanksgiving celebration. In the predawn hours the sleeping Indians were surrounded by English and Dutch mercenaries who ordered them to come outside. Those who came out were shot or clubbed to death while the terrified women and children who huddled inside the longhouse were burned alive. The next day the governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony declared "A Day Of Thanksgiving" because 700 unarmed men, women and children had been murdered.

    Cheered by their "victory", the brave colonists and their Indian allies attacked village after village. Women and children over 14 were sold into slavery while the rest were murdered. Boats loaded with a many as 500 slaves regularly left the ports of New England. Bounties were paid for Indian scalps to encourage as many deaths as possible.

    Following an especially successful raid against the Pequot in what is now Stamford, Connecticut, the churches announced a second day of "thanksgiving" to celebrate victory over the heathen savages. During the feasting, the hacked off heads of Natives were kicked through the streets like soccer balls. Even the friendly Wampanoag did not escape the madness. Their chief was beheaded, and his head impaled on a pole in Plymouth, Massachusetts -- where it remained on display for 24 years.

    The killings became more and more frenzied, with days of thanksgiving feasts being held after each successful massacre. George Washington finally suggested that only one day of Thanksgiving per year be set aside instead of celebrating each and every massacre. Later Abraham Lincoln decreed Thanksgiving Day to be a legal national holiday during the Civil War -- on the same day he ordered troops to march against the starving Sioux in Minnesota.

    This story doesn't have quite the same fuzzy feelings associated with it as the one where the Indians and Pilgrims are all sitting down together at the big feast. But we need to learn our true history so it won't ever be repeated. Next Thanksgiving, when you gather with your loved ones to Thank God for all your blessings, think about those people who only wanted to live their lives and raise their families. They, also took time out to say "thank you" to Creator for all their blessings.

    It is sad to think that this happened, but it is important to understand all of the story and not just the happy part. Today the town of Plymouth Rock has a Thanksgiving ceremony each year in remembrance of the first Thanksgiving. There are still Wampanoag people living in Massachusetts. In 1970, they asked one of them to speak at the ceremony to mark the 350th anniversary of the Pilgrim's arrival. Here is part of what was said:

    "Today is a time of celebrating for you -- a time of looking back to the first days of white people in America. But it is not a time of celebrating for me. It is with a heavy heart that I look back upon what happened to my People. When the Pilgrims arrived, we, the Wampanoags, welcomed them with open arms, little knowing that it was the beginning of the end. That before 50 years were to pass, the Wampanoag would no longer be a tribe. That we and other Indians living near the settlers would be killed by their guns or dead from diseases that we caught from them. Let us always remember, the Indian is and was just as human as the white people.

    Although our way of life is almost gone, we, the Wampanoags, still walk the lands of Massachusetts. What has happened cannot be changed. But today we work toward a better America, a more Indian America where people and nature once again are important."