Black Children : The Truth About School Integration

Angela22

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So instead of separate but equal, which was really separate and unequal, we got integration with inequality still, because caucasians were PO'd that blacks wouldn't take whatever was given.

And blacks were led to believe it couldn't be inequality that was holding us back, because being integrated just had to automatically mean everything was fair, which was of course, BS and a cover up.
 

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I think that it is unreasonable to believe that the the government's intent was malevolent when they began to favor integration.

I think it's pretty naïve to think there was no malicious intent on their part. I didn't think such was the case, at first, either.
 

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"Beginning with the condition of black neighborhoods, would it be safe to say, perhaps, somehow, racism white supremacy played a central role? Or, are black folks at fault, themselves, for ghettos?"
I will start by saying that it is almost impossible for me not to adopt an extremely dynamic view on this simply because there are so many factors to consider. Black people are not at fault for the existence of ghettos. Basically, black people have been at a disadvantage because they had trouble integrating into society after slavery was abolished, and they were not able to accumulate capital, so yes, discrimination did play a huge role. But one huge causal factor for the condition of black neighborhoods and schools today is the fact that the large scale immigration of black people into neighborhoods(especially in major industrial centers) caused white people to move out, consequently making property values drop.



"Since we have acknowledgement of some racism and discrimination, aren't these acts carried out by individuals? And if so, institutions then, are set up, organized and ran by individuals, correct?"
I did say that there were mistakes made within the school system. So I did not dismiss any instances of racism that may have been perpetrated by authorities within that institution. However, that has little to do with local property taxes and ethnic emigration, which I suggested had a lot to do with the condition of black neighborhoods and schools.



"This same economic system you speak of, didn't it benefit from free slave labor, at the outset? What would be your take on Reparations, as restitution, for the indigenous ancestors of that forced free slave labor market?"
I was suggesting that it is set up in a way that naturally creates large disparities. I suggest we talk about that more elsewhere, because it is a huge topic to cover. And my take on slavery reparations is that they are simply unrealistic. If a sum were to be payed to African Americans, or direct decendents of slaves, there arises the problem of deciding on who to tax to get those funds. There are programs we can use to decrease wealth disparities between ethnic groups, and I would favor something along those lines instead.



"Why would white people pick up and leave and take businesses with them? The appearance is that prejudice, as you suggest it be called, is strongly related to racism and discrimination."
When people move from an area, they typically take their businesses with them. This migration(the "white flight") happened because of high population density, the immigration of ethnic minorities into ethnically homogenous areas, and because of the fear of dropping property values. I prefer to uses the word "prejudice" when I am referring to unfavorable views and feelings that one person may hold against an entire racial group, because that is what it is.
 

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"Beginning with the condition of black neighborhoods, would it be safe to say, perhaps, somehow, racism white supremacy played a central role? Or, are black folks at fault, themselves, for ghettos?"
I will start by saying that it is almost impossible for me not to adopt an extremely dynamic view on this simply because there are so many factors to consider. Black people are not at fault for the existence of ghettos. Basically, black people have been at a disadvantage because they had trouble integrating into society after slavery was abolished, and they were not able to accumulate capital, so yes, discrimination did play a huge role. But one huge causal factor for the condition of black neighborhoods and schools today is the fact that the large scale immigration of black people into neighborhoods(especially in major industrial centers) caused white people to move out, consequently making property values drop.



"Since we have acknowledgement of some racism and discrimination, aren't these acts carried out by individuals? And if so, institutions then, are set up, organized and ran by individuals, correct?"
I did say that there were mistakes made within the school system. So I did not dismiss any instances of racism that may have been perpetrated by authorities within that institution. However, that has little to do with local property taxes and ethnic emigration, which I suggested had a lot to do with the condition of black neighborhoods and schools.



"This same economic system you speak of, didn't it benefit from free slave labor, at the outset? What would be your take on Reparations, as restitution, for the indigenous ancestors of that forced free slave labor market?"
I was suggesting that it is set up in a way that naturally creates large disparities. I suggest we talk about that more elsewhere, because it is a huge topic to cover. And my take on slavery reparations is that they are simply unrealistic. If a sum were to be payed to African Americans, or direct decendents of slaves, there arises the problem of deciding on who to tax to get those funds. There are programs we can use to decrease wealth disparities between ethnic groups, and I would favor something along those lines instead.



"Why would white people pick up and leave and take businesses with them? The appearance is that prejudice, as you suggest it be called, is strongly related to racism and discrimination."
When people move from an area, they typically take their businesses with them. This migration(the "white flight") happened because of high population density, the immigration of ethnic minorities into ethnically homogenous areas, and because of the fear of dropping property values. I prefer to uses the word "prejudice" when I am referring to unfavorable views and feelings that one person may hold against an entire racial group, because that is what it is.


Its been a very good dialog Jionni1, I really enjoyed having it. The take away concessions are noted in blue, above. However, let me share another interesting perspective on Reparations:



White boy talking reparations


Discussion in 'Black People Open Forum' started by BlackScratchFever, Jun 15, 2013

http://destee.com/index.php?threads/white-boy-talking-reparations.76605/#post-808748

http://destee.com/index.php?threads/white-boy-talking-reparations.76605/#post-808773



Obviously, my preference would be racism white supremacy over the simple matter of prejudice, which occurs within racial groups, daily; and is considered nowhere near the cause of the effect to what we've been having a conversation about.
 

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The comments here about "separate but equal (and usually unequal) versus "integrated" schools provides much to think about. And, true, I recognize the integrated schools were strongly tilted to white community values....and having been a substitute teacher in inner city schools, I began to sense the truth in this.
Not that I know what it is, but I definitely believe schools, and education, must be able to relate socially to black community values, and I say this knowing I still need to begin to understand what those values really are, and what they should mean.
One thing I want to say here....is in predominantly black schools where white kids were in the minority, I found the black majority seemed far more willing to welcome the minority white kids into their world, than majority white schools welcomed black minorities. In schools where I taught, I began to pick up on this and found it quite uplifting. And deeply of interest.
 
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