Black People : The Truth about Black Wall Street

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  1. river

    river Watch Her Flow MEMBER

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    Most of us know how white supremacists bombed Black Wall Street in Oklahoma in 1921. What we may not know is that all the Blacks in the Wall Street community did not die. There were enough survivors to come back and rebuild their wealth within five years. They prospered until the time of integration then fell apart.
    Neither bombs, nor Jim Crow, nor the KKK destroyed Black Wall Street. It was destroyed when we allowed ourselves to be lulled into thinking that just because we had access to what Whites had we no longer needed to have our own.
    People what we build for ourselves is not merely a reaction to segregation that we can discard once we achieve integration. Like my mother likes to say, if the grass looks greener on the other side of the fence, it’s because the people on the other side are taking care of [RJ1].
    It is important, crucial and vital that we remember what Whites have done and are still doing to us. But if we stop there, we find ourselves with nothing to combat the despair of powerlessness. What we need to combat despair is not ignorance of what was done to us but knowledge of how we responded. We are not powerless. We have come back and rebuilt what we lost from the ashes of white supremacy. Remember that, too.

    Let's put our heads together. I'd like each of you to think of a reason why we should have our own sruff and post it on this thread.
    [RJ1]
     
  2. Fine1952

    Fine1952 Happy Winter Solstice MEMBER

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    the tricknology of integration was never meant to work in our favor....
     
  3. river

    river Watch Her Flow MEMBER

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    Like the man said to be integrated is to be a guest in smaddy else's school, smaddy else's restaurant, smaddy else's whatever. How can people have nothing to bring to the table and wonder why no one respects them?
     
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    Tukseege Institution directed by Booker T. Washington inspired many African Americans to build freedom towns. While at Tukseege many learn to read, write, and do arithmetic. This allowed many to do bookkeeping which is the basis of business administration. Coupled with brick masonery they were able to build homes and busineses, schools and churches. Blacks had reached 65% literacy by 1885, much more than Whites particularly newly Europeans coming from serfdom where many couldn't read nor write. This put the nation at war within as Blacks prospered while many poor whites starved. Also because of slavery Blackd dominated the skilled labor. Many Whites were unskilled, lazy and uneducated, just ripe for racist propaganda that fueled lynching.

    But you speak of intergration as if it was pushed on Blacks. But a group of crooked Blacks engineered the failure of Black progress via advocating Civil Rights, denouncing skill labor as demeaning and menial, attacking Black independents, spying for the government, and infiltrating social groups with sabotage. Booker T and Marcus Garvey both were assassinated by Integrationist secret groups who were and are connected with White Freemasonry.

    Asking why is a child's question. The question should be how, how do we start development again?
     
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    river Watch Her Flow MEMBER

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    Meritorious Manumission.

    There have always been the greedy and the kiss-ups among us. I think integration was both pushed on us and. as you say, championed by those in our ranks who wanted other than the best for us. It could never have taken hold if it didn't have support from the top.

    Some say that Martin Luther King fought for integration. Others say no he fought for desegregation—access to public facilities and transportation. My uncle is 77 years old and he recalls how whites used to go into the "colored" bathrooms and clog up the toilets and break the sinks. So I cannot group those who fought for desegregation together with those who fought for integration.

    What you say about Tuskegee and how we had a leg up on skilled labor is on point. As far as asking how to do something, there are individuals who know how and some of them are doing it. We must work on getting this knowledge to those who want and need it. Ideally, we want to rise as a whole, but we cannot make everybody do the right thing and there are some who will not listen to any solution to their problems that requires an effort on their part. We can't feel like we've failed if we can't reach those who don't want to be reached. But for those who do, we have the knowledge of how to succeed and we can put it out there.

    Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
     
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    Fine1952 Happy Winter Solstice MEMBER

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    My inference was to Trick of Integration by Gerald Smith who provided a very comprehensive backdrop still overlooked and ignored.

    No cop out here Dear:heart:River ---eye just know that the issue as you present it --is unresolvable on two fronts in its present state of delivery:

    1. Self
    and
    2. Collectively​

    a. By self eye mean OUR individual inability to heal and get past OUR "pains" --both past and present-- in order to love ourselves and move forward.

    b. By collectively eye mean OUR collective inability to heal & get past OUR "present and previous" injustices in order to love and accept each other and move forward bearing in mind that both of these are contingent upon US embracing all of OUR historical markers (eg. slavery, jim crow, reconstruction).

    These two sticking point "are still on the table'' as far as eye am concerned and until we ruminate, digest and then successfuly eliminate their contents from OUR minds and bowels OUR presence will never effectively be felt as a guest at anyone elses school, restaurant or anywhere else until WE become guests at OUR OWN TABLE.

    ex. Would YOU attend a party at YOUR family or friends' house empty handed?
    or
    Wouldn't YOU want to have YOU own table to return to after attending other tables?
    Bottom Line -- All of OUR "INTERNAL DIVISIONS" need to reach a common ground and that there in is the real problem as WE both know.

    Great Topic:heart:

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    This Black Holocaust is the bain of our existence...
    and as a result has created a psychological reaction in black people that prevents and impedes our ability to rebuild our communities as we once did...

    Fake-@$$ Jews continually push the reminder of their little minute holocaust to the front of the table because their premise is "never again". WE as black people hide OUR thoughts and feelings about OUR Black Holocaust --that still continues to this day-- because our premise is "to forget the past" -- which approach is more logical?

    FEAR is a hayelava Thing!!?​
     
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    I agree that there was support from whites at the top to push this false concept of integration. While blacks plan for the year, whites who seem to be in charge plan for the century. I called it a false concept of integration for a reason. Integration benefits us if done right, however Blacks in the U.S. fought for inclusion instead. The sit-ins, etc... were not really integration strategies. They were actually examples of inclusion, which helped cause us to be in the shape were in today.

    It's easier for foreigners to come here and integrate into white America because they come as a unified culture, and have something to integrate with, meanwhile employing their own. Integration in it's true sense is having something of value, and combining it into the integral whole. Somewhere along the line, we got fed the wrong concept of integration by trying to blend in with whites, with no economic base. And whites knew this, and they probably helped push this false concept of integration with the help of some of the blacks in higher places.
     
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    Fine1952 Happy Winter Solstice MEMBER

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    As Malcolm X so rightly stated...

    "Segregation is that which is forced upon inferiors by superiors. Separation is done voluntarily by two equals... The Negro schools in the Negro community are controlled by whites,... the economy of the Negro community is controlled by whites. And since the Negro... community is controlled or regulated by outsiders, it is a segregated community...Muslims who follow the Honorable Elijah Muhammad are as much against segregation as we are against integration. We are against segregation because it is unjust and we are against integration because [it is] a false solution to a real problem..."

     
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    We must not forget the past. The past is the visible future. Those who remember the past and learn from it will always remain one step ahead of those who try to forget the past.

    I think we are on the same page as far as having our own table, or at least having our own to bring to the global table. We cannot survive as isolationists. We cannot thrive if we see everybody as an enemy. Our problem is not that we are unable to build our communities. Our problem is that we no longer see the need to do so. We have what it takes. One big problem right now is that we have so much, we do so much, yet everyone else benefits from what we produce accept us. We get a little money and we run out to buy clothes and stuff to make other people rich. Spending our money on liabilities instead of assets. A poor man is a man who can't afford to start his own business but he can afford to buy Ring Tones.

    Thanks for sharing the book title. I will check it out.
     
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    Ur Welcome, Sweetie!

    "Trick of Integration" is a short essay -- just click on the link ;)

     
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