Black People : THE SOUTH IS KILLING HIP-HOP?? Opinions

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  1. naija-man

    naija-man Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    I was browsing the net...and i decided to catch up on old memories, so i logged on to youtube and watched the "How come" track by Wyclef,Canibus& Yo'soun dour....AND I READ SOME OF THE COMMENTS....I just wanted 2 know how u felt about waht these guys had 2 say...from 1 hip-hop head 2 anotha'..THESE ARE THE COMMENTS:
    http://youtube.com/comment_servlet?a...=TcE3XpTgDu4

    magician234
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    THEN HE SAID: "What would be the outcome if the south won - the death of hiphop!"



    WHAT DO U GUYZ THINK..IZ THE SOUTH REALLY KILLING HIP-HOP..WITH ALL THEIR CRUNK AND SNAP-TUNES???
     
  2. Da Street So'ja

    Da Street So'ja Banned MEMBER

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    well me being from where it blew up

    NY rap is dead, died with biggie
    Jay-Z is still out there but he's too mainstream now you know what i mean

    the south has their style and in my opinion we are keeping hip hop alive

    because hip hop started out as girls and partying

    so they sound like they're in line with that

    i don't personally like some of the stuff but i respect it

    it's about partying

    real hip hop died long time ago

    once it went mainstream and was control by the man

    and you know what happens when the man puts his hand on something

    do i need to go further?????????

    the basis of the origin hip hop is not upliftment but partying
     
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    "the basis of the origin of hip hop is not upliftment but partying"

    Here we go again. This reminds me of the folks (not you brother DSS) who blamed the West Coast and "gangsta rap" for killing hip hop yet it emerged right before the so-called Golden Age (1988-92).

    If we want to talk about the "death" of hip hop let's start not with the death of Biggie but the emergence of P-Diddy and look at what direction this "culture" has gone into. We end with Danity Kane and Doddy videos with Nicole Scherzinger.

    How can one seriously talk about the South killing "Black culture" when perhaps the highest concentration of BLACK PEOPLE is still in THE SOUTH.

    Dallas, Houston, New Orleans, Atlanta, Miami, Orlando...these are not only becoming major centers of hip-hop and R&B music but emerging sports and entertainment centers.

    West coast rap has gone mainstream with Snoop.

    East coast rap has gone mainstream with P-Diddy, Jay-Z, Nas and Eve doing videos with Gwen Stefani.

    The funniest part of this notion concerning the South is look who Jay-Hiova is hooked up with. A bootylicious Southern Gal, Beyonce, who is the hottest woman, Black white, or Latino, or Asian, in the Entertainment industry!
     
  4. OmowaleX

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    Let's consider the origins of "Crunk" going back before the formation of Three Six Mafia, to DJ Paul and Lord Infamous, around 1990-91. There were 3 themes to their music: sex, drugs and violence. Very much the same as hard-core Rock. They came out taking shots at Bone, Thugs and Harmony.

    Now, what was the state of East Coast hip hop CULTURE in 1991?

    View it in 1991 within the context of the releases that came out then compared to the material that is being released today.

    http://rateyourmusic.com/list/diction/1991_hip_hop
     
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    Maybe your tastes change as you get older. You evolve and learn. Those younger than you love this,maybe because it's simple.

    Fact of the matter is,there are not many great lyricists or poets out there on the scene,or rappers brave enough to rap about different things,or put a different spin on known ones.

    Love her constantly,consistently,and with concern. Peace!
     
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    Is the South killing Hip Hop......nah not at all.........If anything we are doing our best to keep it alive .......Crunk isn't the only type of music coming out of the South and Crunk is not and never was meant to be conscious it's about partying as a lot of Southern music is......

    It's funny to me how folks glamorize and make old school Hip Hop so much more pure than it really was ......listen to a lot of them old songs they were about money, women, sex, and violence .......along with some stuff that could be considered positive.........

    There are still positive groups and music out there ....maybe it doesn't get the airplay some would like but the same can be said for some other genres of Southern music .....concerning whats on the radio to me it goes to what Wes Snipes told Denzel in Mo Betta....."You gotta play what the people want to hear" ...........


    If you want to hear "positive" music usually now as was the case in the past you have to hit underground radio same with some of the other styles of music coming out of the South and other places .....

    Also there are still a load of good lyricists out there ....they might be saying what you want to hear but you still have to give them theirs......

    To me the Hip Hop world has always had a NYC bias and now when NY ain't the hub anymore all of a sudden we're killing it ........



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    RED

    GREAT POINT

    OmowaleX - I missed your point

    hip hop didn't start out as upliftment but partying???

    i was there and i have to tapes to prove my case

    your point about diddy is good

    but when bad-boy come out in 1994 hip hop was definitely hot

    please expound on your point brother i would like to understand better
     
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    brother DSS

    I agree with you that "hip hop didn't start out as upliftment but partying" as a recorded medium. I am sure though that Afrika Bambaataa would disagree with this point.

    "i was there and i have tapes to prove my case"

    No need to prove anything to me. I am the SAME age as Grandmaster Flash and have my own tapes and "wax" as well.

    The point I was trying to make is that "southern rap" as well as west coast "gangsta rap" were already well established in 1991 before the so-called Golden Age came to an end circa 1992. Dr. Dre's "The Chronic" ushered in "G-Funk" and by then the Geto Boys and early 3 Six were already emerging in the hip hop "Underground".

    In essence, to blame "Crunk" or "Screw" or any other form of Southern hip hop or rap for somehow destroying "hip hop culture" is foolish. As I am sure brothers Red and Manasiac would agree, "Screw" and "Crunk", to the Southerner are not even seen as "hip hop" but a distinct "culture" in itself.

    They are forms of "Southern roots music".
     
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    Peace & Respect Destee Fam!

    Great topic. Right now I’m between this mainstream Atlanta Southern Hip-Hop and my own idea of what Hip-Hop should be. Like so many Brothas and Sistahs here, I grew up directly influenced by Hip-Hop in Harlem in the early 80s. 123rd street, the Apollo- 2 blocks away. Doug E. Fresh was a friend to the Block, Slick Rick- and just about every up and coming DJ at that time. Like so many, I was MC’in- at a very tender age. While I still produce Hip-Hop, and I might Rap here and there, I would never consider myself a Rapper. However, as a digital Artist/designer I help to promote allot of the independent Rappers in the South.

    Hip-Hop is an African expression. Some say it was born in the Bronx, some say it was born somewhere between Malcolm X, Muhammad Ali, James Brown and Richard Pryor. Hip-Hop is the result of the talking African drum. It can be traced thru Africa, the Caribbean- soca- Reggae- up thru South America- to the South and then the North- just like Slavery itself. We lost the language but not the rhythm, we speak over the drum because we are translating what the drum is saying. At least, this is the theory. We all know certain rappers who translate these drums more to perfection than others.

    In the south, even I have accused some Southern Rappers of being more nonsensical and ignorant when it comes down to the pure lyrical content of their music. As somewhat of a propaganda “specialist” it is my job to give some of these Rappers a “vision” that might be much greater than what their music is expressing. We must also consider the fact that real Hip-Hop died a long time ago. Some Rappers on the independent level are still living the dream of what real Hip-Hop is, but on the mainstream- Hip-Hop is buried and gone. Real Hip-Hop is an Ancestor that we ask for guidance every now and then. Hip-Hop is now being used as physiological warfare.

    It might be our fault for underestimating the power of sound. Whales can paralyze their victims with sound. Sound can also retard the mental awareness and consciousness of people. If we underestimate sound, then we underestimate music and “programming ability” it has. I know some producers personally in the South that use very little talent to produce the majority of their “hits.” Some of us can use “fruityloops” and make an ingenious masterpiece, but unfortunately most of those producers and rappers with very little talent are using the easiest methods and getting into the mainstream. It’s more cost-effective for the Record labels, and the profit margins are bigger. So those of us who grew up listening to real “Hip-Hop” are scratching our heads trying to figure out where this, “B.S” music is coming from? Realistically I could produce an entire album with 2 soda cans tied with a rubber band in the South, and get in it into the mainstream. But the real magic is what happens next: The subliminal process that happens during the final mix and mastering. I respect those who know and understand that process and use the technology to expand minds and not enslave them.

    All you have to do is ask yourself a serious question, if life gave you the answers to all your questions, and all the questions everyone on Earth needed to know- would you use Hip-Hop as the vehicle to deliver that message? That’s what Hip-Hop used to be, a vehicle for prophets, thinkers and revolutionaries – making them dance was just to distract Massa.
     
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    OmowaleX

    THANK YOU OmowaleX

    great statement

    remember Funky Four plus 1

    they were before their time i played a 15 minutes record for a young rapper and he was like wow they were doing like this in 1980 and he said "**** i though i was doing something"

    Sha-Rock was before time str8 rap could stand on her own

    i did love the furious five

    but i think Spoonie-G did not get enough credit
     
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