Brother AACOOLDRE : The Skinny on Jesus

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  1. AACOOLDRE

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    THE SKINNY ON JESUS
    By Andre Austin

    1. Judas didn’t sell Jesus out for 30 pieces of silver he tried to save his life.
    2. Jesus was killed by Pilate and Herod Antipas and not by the Jews
    3. Jesus body didn’t rise to heaven but his spirit did.
    4. Mary didn’t give birth by virgin means but by “sperma“.
    5. The most important act for Jesus disciples was to love God and mankind rather than believing Jesus died for mankind sins.

    6. Adam didn’t pass sin on to mankind. The tree of knowledge were based on Egyptian deities of Shu and Telfnut mainly concerning moral order leading to eternal life.

    7. Martyrdom contradicts the Love doctrine in Christianity.

    8. God didn’t sacrifice his only begotten son as an act of “Love” because Mary and Joseph begot Jesus.

    9. Christians make Jesus out to be the Tree of life in the Garden of Eden which is based on the Egyptian deity called Shu.

    10. The myth of the Garden of Eden was in Africa specifically in ancient Egypt created by Egyptian priests and copied by Jewish ones
     
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    Enensa Aunghk Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    This is an excellent post. I have several questions about it.

    (1)Are you saying the Jesus was an actual historical figure; that he actually walked the Earth and that the events which transpired in the gospels happened exactly as described? If so, what references could we draw from to verify this? How do we verifty this?

    (2)Could you explain the statement that Jesus' body did not rise to heaven but his spirit did? Could you explain the concepts of spirit and heaven as you understand them?

    (3)What is "sperma"?

    (4)Could you explain how did you arrive at the conclusion that the tree of knowledge was based on Shu? Could you explain what the tree is and what Shu is as you undertand it?

    (5)Could you break down how Shu and Tefnut apply to moral order?

    (6)How do they make Jesus out to be the tree of life? Where is this stated?

    (7)Could you explain the myth of the Garden of Eden as you undetstand it?

    Thanks
     
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    Myth & Allegory

    All of It!

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    Onyemobi Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Good stuff
     
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    :lol: LOL

    Your sharp questions might have cut this '' excellent post '' short.
    Time will tell

    In the mean time, thanks for the execellent questions



    :time: 2 wake ^

    :peace:
     
  6. AACOOLDRE

    AACOOLDRE Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    I WILL ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTONS WITH SOME ESSAYS I"VE ALLREADY WRITTEN IN THE PAST


    Adam would die if he ate from the tree of knowledge

    The Myth: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (Gen 2:17).

    The Reality: The purpose of this story is to condemn the Egyptian idea that knowledge of moral order would lead to Eternal life, which conflicted with Hebrew monotheistic teaching. It’s a sophisticated attack upon Egyptian philosophical doctrines in the OT but when the NT is released Jesus became the deity Shu reclaims the role of the Tree of life).

    The relationship between moral order and eternal life lay behind the biblical story about the Tree of knowledge of good and evil and the tree of life. Yet, despite the close parallels between the two descriptions, there is one glaring conflict. In the Egyptian text, Nun (the great flood) urged Atum to eat of his daughter Tefnut (moral order) giving him access to knowledge of moral order. In genesis, God forbade Adam to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, denying him access to moral knowledge. Along with the Tree of knowledge being based on moral order of Maat. The Ten commandments were based on the 42 declaration of Maat. Jesus modified the Ten commandments to focus on love rather than the death penalty for some of the Ten orders.

    This inconsistency appears in the face of a moral conundrum in the biblical account. It would seem that god lied and the serpent told the truth. Initially, god ordered Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge, telling him that he would die on the very day that he did so. Yet, later, after eating from the fruit of this tree, Adam not only lived ( for about another 9 hundred years), but God feared that he would obtain eternal life if he ate from the tree of life and so it became necessary to expel him from the Garden.


    The Egyptians believed that if you lived a life of moral order, the god Osiris, who ruled over the afterlife, would award you eternal life. That was the philosophical link between these two fundamental principles of life and moral order, and that is why Egyptians depicted them as the children of the creator. In effect, knowledge of moral behavior was a step towards immortality and godhood. That is precisely the issue framed in Genesis.

    When Adam ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, god declared that if Adam also ate from the tree of life he would become like God himself. But Hebrews were monotheists. The idea that humans could become god like flew in the face of the basic theological concept of biblical religion, that there was and could be only one god. Humans can’t become god-like???

    The Hebrew story is actually a sophisticated attack on the Egyptian doctrine of moral order leading to eternal life. It begins by transforming life and moral order from deities into trees, eliminating the cannibalistic imagery suggested by Atum eating of his daughter. Then, Adam was specifically forbidden to eat the fruit of moral order/Maat. Next, Adam was told that not only wouldn’t he achieve eternal life if he ate of moral order but that he would actually die if he did eat it. Finally, Adam was expelled from the garden before he could eat from the Tree of life and live eternity.
    Conclusion:

    Because Adam didn’t pass a DNA gene type of sin into every human ancestor in Africa there was no requirement for Jesus to die for mankind’s sins. We all have freewill to sin or not to sin.


    WHAT AND WHO IS THE TREE OF LIFE
    By Andre Austin

    St Augustine states “Christ himself is prophetically called the Tree of life, because he is wisdom”-City of God Chapter 26. The Egyptians regarded Shu as a principle of life.

    Before the Jews in Jerusalem falsified the Old Testament the Garden of Eden was on the banks of the Nile and the Tree of Life was in Heliopolis, Egypt also known as On, the “city of the Sun”. When you need some light in your bedroom you turn the switch on. And when we are in need of truth of spiritual matters we need to turn the lights on too.

    Egyptologists claim that the Tree of life was based on the Egyptian deity Shu. “Shu typified light, heat and air” (The Mummy, Budge, p.365). Shu and his twin were responsible for creating mankind just like Jesus did. “The legend as to the origin of Shu is far more likely to have been the product of some indigenous dark-skinned race” (The gods of the Egyptians, Budge, V.1.p305”.

    The names of Joshua, Sun of Nun and Jesus were one and the same. Joshua holds up the Sun and Moon just like Shu in Egyptian myth. Joshua in Hebrew was Jeho-Shua. The Jeho part was a latter insertion so it was Shu, Sun of Nun originally. The Jewish scribes wanted to try to hide Joshua’s originally Egyptian name. In myth Shu and his twin was ancestor to many Egyptian deities.

    So if Jesus and Joshua was the same based in part on the Egyptian Shu and Shu was the Tree of life then Jesus was the Tree of Life. The tree of life was based on Truth/Maat. So living in truth gets you eternal life through Shu/Tree of life. So lets use some inductive reasoning facts from the Gospel.

    1. “Have life through his (Jesus) name”-John 20:31 Jesus name is Shu/Light
    2. “Children of Light”-John 12:36 meaning offspring of Light/Shu
    3. “True light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world-John 1:9
    4. Jesus is the “True Vine” John 15:1
    5. The grape vine is the tree of life and those drinking the wine/blood have Life see
    (Luke 22:17-20 & John 6:53-54).
    6. Truth and Light goes hand and hand like the tree of life/light/wine/blood
    7. Jesus is claimed to be the light of the world.
    8. The New city in heaven will have lights not needing the sun just like Heliopolis, Egypt also known as On, the “city of the Sun”.

    Conclusion:
    It is written “Our savior Jesus Christ who hath abolished death and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel” 2 Timothy 1:10 This could not be if he wasn’t the tree of life/light/Shu. Further more we have the words: “Have the light of Life” John 8:12. Shu is light, the tree of life is Therefore Shu who later became the character Jesus.
     
  7. AACOOLDRE

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    The Myth: The Garden of Eden was Out of Africa?

    Answer: The reality: Not at all the Garden was in Africa. Eden originally represented the Isle of flames, the first land in the Egyptian Creation myths. In the Heliopolitian tradition, that would be located from the mythical Eden at Heliopolis,Egypt.

    Where did god plant the Garden of Eden? Much has been written on this subject but without any definitive answer. The text provides few clues. Genesis places it in the east, which is where the sun rises, and also locates it west of Nod, where Cain built the first city. Unfortunately no one knows where Nod is. But, the Bible called Thebes No one letter off from Nod.

    The chief clues to Eden’s location are the references to the four rivers, Pison, Gihon, Hiddekel, and Euphrates, all of which split off from a main river that flows out of Eden but which is not named.

    A cursory glance at the text will demonstrate the origins of this tale, for the river of Eden is described as having four branches. There is only one river in this part of the world that fits this description, and that is the Nile, with the four branches forming the Nile Delta. Here, then, is the true crucible for the Genesis story in Egypt

    The first river, Pison, encompasses all the land of Havilah, which has very good natural resources, such as gold, bdellium, and onyx. The location of Havilah is unknown, but most scholars believe it corresponds to Arabia. Genesis 10, however, which describes various geographical relationships, depicts Havilah as a son of Cush, and Cush is Ethiopian.

    The second river, Gihon, “compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia”. This places two rivers in the vicinity of Cush, an area south of or near the south of Egypt.

    Hiddekel, the third river; goes toward the east of Assyria, and clearly corresponds to the Tigris river, one of two great waterways of Mesopotamia. The fourth river is still known as the Euphrates, the other great river of Mesopotamia.

    What’s wrong with this picture? We have two rivers in Asia and two south of Egypt. How can these four rivers be connected to a single source? What is the mighty water source from which the other four split off? And where is the Nile, which runs through Egypt, between Asia and Ethiopia? The story in its present form represents a late editing by someone familiar with Babylonian traditions but not knowledgeable about African geography.

    Several clues suggest that the unnamed mighty river from which these other four rivers flow is the Nile.

    1. The Nile is the only river not listed in the text.
    2. Such identification would account for how Eden’s geography could include two rivers south of Egypt that link up to other rivers sources far to the north.
    3.The Garden of Eden story derives from the Heliopolitian creation myth. In that story, after the first land emerged and the waters drew together in the Nile, the god Shu went down to Heliopolis and became Osiris in the form of grain, thus planting a garden east of the Nile.
    4. Egyptian tradition placed the Tree of life in Heliopolis, the sun city. Logic would flow that the tree of life was based on Shu, a God of light/Sun. So we have Jesus (Shu) son of the sun and Nun
    5. The first land in Egyptian tradition came to be known as the Isle of Flames (because of the flaming mountain that arouse out of Nun/water) and each of the cult centers claimed to be the site of the first land. In Genesis, after God expelled Adam and Eve from the garden, he blocked the entrance with fire-wielding Cherubs, which suggests the idea of an “Isle of flames.

    These points indicate that the story about four rivers flowing from one river coming out of the Garden of Eden had nothing to do with the two Asian waters described in the Genesis story. Originally, the four branches would have been Nile tributaries two of which split off in the north and formed the Egyptian delta, and two of which split off in the north and formed the Egyptian delta, and two of which split off in the south by Ethiopia.

    Subsequently, when the Hebrews came to Babylon, they replaced the names of the two Nile branches forming the Egyptian delta with the names of the two Mesopotamian rivers forming the Mesopotamian delta. They left the two southern branches intact.

    As the Hebrews began to look at their history from a Babylonian perspective, they identified many of the biblical stories with similar tales in Mesopotamian literature, often losing track of the original Isle were transformed into fiery swords wielded by Cherubs.

    In Mesopotamia, the Hebrews learned stories about a place named Dilmun, which was widely known in that region as an ancient paradise from the first times. As they substituted Mesopotamian traditions for the Egyptian, they believed that Eden and Dilmun may have been one and the same place.

    Notes:
    SKULLS CONFIRM THAT ALL MANKIND ORIGINATED FROM AFRICA. “Modern humans are derived from a single point in Africa British scientist say…the study places the original root of modern humans in south-central Africa. (Jet magazine Aug,6, 2007. P.11)

    Scientists Find A DNA Change That Accounts For White Skin
    By Rick Weiss

    Scientists, [from Penn State University], said yesterday that they have discovered a tiny genetic mutation that largely explains the first appearance of white skin in humans tens of thousands of years ago, a finding that helps solve one of biology's most enduring mysteries and illuminates one of humanity's greatest sources of strife.

    The work suggests that the skin-whitening mutation occurred by chance in a single individual after the first human exodus from Africa, when all people were brown-skinned. That person's offspring apparently thrived as humans moved northward into what is now Europe, helping to give rise to the lightest of the world's. See web site: ( Washington Post 12-16-05 p.A01
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...121501728.html).

    How could the Garden of Eden not be in Africa with all of this data?
     
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    Yah-SHU-A

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    THE OCTOGON

    Eight is enough we used to say when it came to a family. Lets explore the Egyptian myths, motifs of their creation stories that influenced the Bible. When God said let us make man in our image God name was Elohim implying more than one god or his attributes and functions. The trinity is just 3 of 8 gods who took part in the creation.


    In the Hermopolitian Creation myth, four males and four females emerged from the primeval flood and crawled onto the first land. These 8 were known as the Ogdoad collectively gave birth to Ra who floated on a lotus while the benben bird flew above. These eight were called by different names at different times.

    1. Nun 5. Naunet the primeval waters (this would be Noah and his entire family below)
    2.Huh 6. Hauhet the boundless and its opposite
    3. Kuk 7. Kauket darkness and its opposite
    4. Amen 8. Amaunet i.e. the hidden wind an its opposite

    Or:
    1.Frog 5. Snake (Family of Noah known by other names)
    2. Frog 6. Snake
    3. Frog 7. Snake
    4. Frog 8.Snake In Hebrew the letter for Nun evolved from image of a serpent.

    Nun signified the primeval flood and Egyptians usually portrayed him in anthropomorphic form, standing waist high in the primeval waters and holding aloft a solar boat with the other 7 deities.

    Now enters Noah with a Boat too having four males and females emerged from a worldwide flood after a mountain arouse out of the waters and incorporate the story of the black Raven/BenBen Bird.

    Noah’s family of himself, 1, his three sons and their 4 wives corresponds to Egyptian creation myth of the Octagon stories:

    1. Noah=Nun Jesus comes like Noah (Luke 17:26) therefore is Joshua son of Nun. “By God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water” 2 Peter 3:5.
    2. Ham black soil/land emerging from the waters of the Nile; hence we have Adam/Atum coming into existence from dust/black mud forming a mound.
    3.Shem in Hebrew its root means eight which takes us to hermopolis, Egypt
    4. Japheth= transliteration as Ja or Jo. In J-PT part of the names contains the same letters used for the Memphite Creator deity, Ptah. Japheth Bible ancestors are Tubal and Tubal-can a people associated with metalworking. It’s no coincidence the Egyptian Ptah was chief of craftsmanship. The name Ptah also symbolized the relationship of combining the eight Hermopolitian deities with Ptah.Ptah , the primeval hill , who is the thought and word of all the gods. Ptah names the eight gods. Jesus would be Ptah the word in 2 Peter 3:5 and in John’s The Word that helped in Genesis at creation..

    Another set of Egyptian Eight/ Or family of Noah by other names:

    1.Shu (Air)
    2. Tefnut (Moisture or fire)
    3.Geb (Earth) also Joseph Jesus earthly father but in body/earth of Mother Mary the Nun
    4. Nut (Sky)
    5. Osiris given new life with substitute penis/Obelisk and this is the real origin of circumcision on the Eighth day in the Bible.
    6.Isis
    7.Seth (opposite of good). This is why bible says God created evil
    8.Depths (unseen world.

    In the Bible it states “the generations of heaven and earth (Gen 2:4-7). As if heaven and earth were husband/Geb/earth and wife/Nut/sky comes from Egyptian myths.

    If you read the first chapter of Genesis you can match up the four elements with the Egyptian: The Hebrews substitute Elohim for Amen, but Amen was restored as a creator god God in Rev 3:14.

    1. Earth and heaven took space but had no form or content
    2.darkness
    3. Watery deep
    4. A wind/Spirit upon the waters

    The darkness was the deep, abyss of the water (Nun). In the beginning God created the heaven and earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters (Gen. 1:1-2)

    The Hebrews adopted the Egyptian creation scheme but separated the deity from the natural phenomena.

    Now in Christian baptism we have some components of the Egyptian creation myths:

    1. Emerged in water Nun and comes standing up as a pillar/Obelisk
    2. A Dove spirit/Benben bird flies over your head
    3. We hear the voice of God/Ptah
    4. We have the heaven opening up

    Remember Nun was pictured waist deep in water holding up the 7 other deities.
     
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