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mexican steal black jobs,,,,,,,

Carpentry: A job Americans 'won't do'?


By Stu Bykofsky
Philadelphia Daily News


FRAMED BY a brilliant blue sky, Joshua was on the roof, driving nails in a home rising at the Villages at Buckingham in Bucks County when a black Mercury Grand Marquis pulled up.
Four men got out and one hailed Joshua in the Portuguese of his Brazilian homeland.

The men were not from Immigration and Customs Enforcement. ICE never shows up at local work sites, say the guys I'm riding with, from Philadelphia's carpenters' union, Local 1073, which covers residential construction.

To check that out, I call and ask about the number of job-site arrests made around here. ICE spokesman Richard Roacha says arrests are not broken down by region or by industry. Enforcement is "centered on employers," he adds. That's good, but not having local or industry numbers is bad. Inexplicable, really.

Three or four times a week, Local 1073 guys visit construction sites to gather information, educate workers and cajole nonunion, but legal, workers into joining the union to get better pay, benefits and protection.

Union business agent Mark Durkalec, 47, is driving the Grand Marquis, with me riding shotgun. In the back seat are union representative Bill Dykan, 47, and carpenter Anilson Borgas, 46, who translates when necessary.

A Brazilian who became an American citizen in 2003 - it took almost five years and $3,000 in lawyers' fees - Borgas takes the unregulated arrival and employment of his former countrymen personally. It is an attack on his livelihood, his family, his rights as an American citizen.

In Buckingham, when Borgas asks Joshua whom he works for, Joshua squints and looks at the sky.

He doesn't know.

Another man on the site says two of the men pay taxes, the four others don't.

Joshua's confusion is understandable, since he works for a subcontractor and is likely falsely classified as an independent contractor. That means he gets no protection due employees and probably pays no taxes.

"We say illegal workers. It's really illegal employers," says Dykan, a guy with a priest's easy ability to talk with anyone.




On "Good Day, Philadelphia" a few weeks back, Councilwoman Maria Quinones-Sanchez spoke on behalf of illegal workers, parroting the tired cliche that they do only jobs Americans won't.

Quinones-Sanchez crossed a line when she added, "I do not foresee a union carpenter going out to work the fields."

Maybe union carpenters won't do field work, but they will do carpentry, and those jobs are being sucked up by the undocumented workers who accept lower pay than any American would - or should.

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/loc..._job_Americans__won_t_do__.html#axzz0pEbGMTSb
 
My point is that:

1) We must be allowed, as every other nation in the world, to enforce immigration laws....None of this "MEXICANS WITHOUT BORDERS" garbage.

2) The Arizona law is not the comprehensive answer.

3) The federal government is responsible for the comprehensive solution.

4) The Arizona law will encourage the federal government to act.

5) The issue with Carabello is not unique at all and short of comprehensive reform, will continue to occur with or without the Arizona law.

"This individual was held in local law enforcement custody over the weekend on an ICE detainer based on initially available information that he was an alien subject to deportation. ICE took custody of him on Monday morning and released him within one hour, after his identity was verified, and the ICE detainer was canceled."

But such incidents are not unusual, said Stevens, who went through the files of an immigration and refugee rights project and found that 82 cases -- 1 percent of the total -- involved U.S. citizens, most of whom had been held for three months to a year.

That would translate to 4,000 of the 400,000 people detained last year by ICE, Stevens said. She also tracked 30 cases since 2003 where ICE went a step further and deported U.S. citizens, she said. In one case, it took a man wrongfully deported to Jamaica a decade to put together the paperwork to return to the United States, she said.


I fully understand that immigration control will be imperfect and that that imperfection will more often than not effect non-white people. ( I cannot, in good faith, consider that a reason to simply say "hey, once they are in the country illegally, don't mess with them because 1% of the people you detain will be legal residents or citizens.) I do not believe in open borders and I do not support the ability of illegal immigrants to think they don't have anything to worry about once they make it past the fence)
 
Another man on the site says two of the men pay taxes, the four others don't.
Joshua's confusion is understandable, since he works for a subcontractor and is likely falsely classified as an independent contractor. That means he gets no protection due employees and probably pays no taxes.

"We say illegal workers. It's really illegal employers," says Dykan, a guy with a priest's easy ability to talk with anyone.




On "Good Day, Philadelphia" a few weeks back, Councilwoman Maria Quinones-Sanchez spoke on behalf of illegal workers, parroting the tired cliche that they do only jobs Americans won't.

Quinones-Sanchez crossed a line when she added, "I do not foresee a union carpenter going out to work the fields."

Maybe union carpenters won't do field work, but they will do carpentry, and those jobs are being sucked up by the undocumented workers who accept lower pay than any American would - or should.

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/loc..._job_Americans__won_t_do__.html#axzz0pEbGMTSb

But they save us money on our grocery bill......don't that count for something. :em3400:
 
...I do not want to live in a nation where American citizens are asked "Where are your papers?" We are better than that...

Then Connie should resign and move to Mexico.....oh, that's right, they have strict immigration laws down there.

So, it's ok to ask "Where is your drivers license, registration, and proof of insurance" in connection with a traffic stop or other police action, but if those documents are used to verify legal driving status AND legal residency, she don't want to live in a nation that enforces its laws? If that is her standard for not wanting to live in a certain place, I'd venture to say that Connie probably cannot find a place on earth where she would "want to live".
 
Then Connie should resign and move to Mexico.....oh, that's right, they have strict immigration laws down there.

So, it's ok to ask "Where is your drivers license, registration, and proof of insurance" in connection with a traffic stop or other police action, but if those documents are used to verify legal driving status AND legal residency, she don't want to live in a nation that enforces its laws? I'd venture to say that Connie probably cannot find a place on earth where she would "want to live".

You are something else. A drivers license does not prove citizenship, nor does a library card, proof of insurance, etc. I know you understand this, and if you don't go back and read the article on the experience of Eduardo Caraballo. It can take days to establish a person's citizenship.

if you cannot see that this law provides an undue burden on Americans who "look" Mexican, you are lacking intelligence. I am an American of Puerto Rican descent. When growing up in California, many times people yelled at me (as they drove by), "%@*%&$ Mexican!" So it is possible that driving through Arizona I would be forced to prove my citizenship. How do I do that? A DRIVERS LICENSE DOES NOT PROVE CITIZENSHIP.
 

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