Black People : The right side of the immigration debate

Sekhemu

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The states with the highest percentages of illegal immigrants are struggling the most financially. California is a prime example.



If you purchased a home in Arizona, would you allow mexicans to have free access to that home because it is their ANCESTRAL land? Would you allow them to come into your house and go into your refrigerator and remove your resources because it is on their ancestral lands?

The fact is if the united states vacated texas, arizona, new mexico, navada, and california and gave it back to mexico, they would still cross the new border for the opportunities that exist in the United States. It is not about geographic location, it is about economic opportunity. Mexico simply does not provide its people economic opportunity...this is related to the WAY the country is run, not the geographic location of the country.
They're only "illegal" because another group conquered them and confiscated their lands.

Number two: why would I purchase a home on land in the middle of a contentious immigration struggle. Only a pretentious and arrogant ignoramous would do that.

Much of the land out wast is sacred to native people and before I even thought about moving there I would consult their "tribal" elders.

Your point is a muted one

Number three: its entirely possible that IF the white man vacated the lands he stole "they" would still be crossing the borders. This also begs the question what would be the state of affairs for mexicans and 1st nations peoples if white americans hadn't taken their lands in the first place. America helped create the conditions that precipitated mexican immigration, now all of a sudden we wanna cry foul ball.

The standard of living for 1st nation and mexicans have degenerated over the last two hundred years. Western banksters, multi-nationals and the mexican oligarchy have waged a long protracted plan to squeeze all the natural resources and intellectial capital out of black and brown people with no end in sight.

You're right, this crisis is mostly about opportunity but more specifically, the lack thereof. Whites are the minority in mexico but control the vast majority of the wealth. Until this equation is reversed we'll continue to see mexicans entering our country "illegally"
 

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you either cut and pasted these weak red herrings from some racist website, or you are a white troll - MANAGEMENT- THIS IS AN EITHER OR STATEMENT: I AM NOT CALLING HIM A TROLL OUTRIGHT -



And then there are the global economic contradictions to restricted labor movement. If you are pro globalization, which if you are pro capitalist you MUST be, then you need to understand some basic economics. Globalization is based on the liberalization of the forces of production. traditionally, the forces of production were land, labor and capital. Farming not being the basis of world trade anymore, they are now capital, labor and technology. So under globalization, a natural evolutionary condition of global capitalism, what is promoted and necessary is free flowing capital, free flowing technology and free flowing labor for it to function at full efficiency. Free flowing capital has been achieved, as even national governments cannot impede its flow. free flowing technology has been achieved, as production processes in places like honduras and vietnam in many instances are more high tech than those in core countries like the U.S. However, labor has not been allowed to flow to where it is needed. This situation impedes globalization. So if you are pro globalization, then you must advocate the elimination of visas and the free flow of labor to where it is needed. What I say to pro globalization folks is put up or shut up.
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It's not about us, in my opinion, it's about this government.

In 1335, the Black Death Plagu happened in Europe and now, they want to tell the truth about this, but still, not in schools. They say at least 1 MILLION migrated to Zuni-Pueblo lands in Mexico; THATS BLACK 'NATIVE' LAND when expulsions happened in Europe. Then say millions came to Brazil. They say the AZTECS came with the HURONS from Wisconsin and migrated down through California...joined with the CHOLULA and then came down into Mexico.

AZTECS ARE MEXICANS. They changed their name. Aztecs fought with the Cholula agains the natives...

1492, Columbus was supposed to have founded America...

These Aztecs thought Cortez was thier white, blonde haired, blue-eyed god and asked the Spanish to kill off their enemies...BLACK 'NATIVES'...BLACK MAYANS...AND the Spanish did that. The Aztecs are NAZI. They came from Europe.

The Spaniards brought smallpox, and shot off the Blacks but then they also got the Aztecs, to their surprise.

In North America, millions of Black Natives were killed, butchered and the straight haired natives were apart of this killing. They were Nazi... They helped the white man...

...About 300 years later, when the white man came at them in the 1800s, the Straight hairs forgot about what they did in the AD 1500s...but the white man did not forget...

The white man knows how to pit one group against the other...
...they know how to suppress the truth until they want to use it to their benefit.
 

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It's not about us, in my opinion, it's about this government.

In 1335, the Black Death Plagu happened in Europe and now, they want to tell the truth about this, but still, not in schools. They say at least 1 MILLION migrated to Zuni-Pueblo lands in Mexico; THATS BLACK 'NATIVE' LAND when expulsions happened in Europe. Then say millions came to Brazil. They say the AZTECS came with the HURONS from Wisconsin and migrated down through California...joined with the CHOLULA and then came down into Mexico.

AZTECS ARE MEXICANS. They changed their name. Aztecs fought with the Cholula agains the natives...

1492, Columbus was supposed to have founded America...

These Aztecs thought Cortez was thier white, blonde haired, blue-eyed god and asked the Spanish to kill off their enemies...BLACK 'NATIVES'...BLACK MAYANS...AND the Spanish did that. The Aztecs are NAZI. They came from Europe.

The Spaniards brought smallpox, and shot off the Blacks but then they also got the Aztecs, to their surprise.

In North America, millions of Black Natives were killed, butchered and the straight haired natives were apart of this killing. They were Nazi... They helped the white man...

...About 300 years later, when the white man came at them in the 1800s, the Straight hairs forgot about what they did in the AD 1500s...but the white man did not forget...

The white man knows how to pit one group against the other...
...they know how to suppress the truth until they want to use it to their benefit.

WTH??????????????


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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I saw Al on TV today opposing the new law in Arizona because of racial profiling.

Hmmmmmm???? It seems everyone wants to piggy back the success of those who made racism unacceptable and a political death blow. The gays are doing it, now the Mexicans are trying to make restricting their access to go and come into another nation and to gain access to that nations health care, and other resources paid for by the tax payers of that nation about racism.

What is your opinion on what is the right side of the immigration debate for Black people and other legal minority citizens?

The only benefit I see in supporting illegal immigrants is that it waters down white supremacy from a political perspective. The more white leaders try to appease the hispanic vote by allowing them to go and come as they please and have access to American resources the more anchor babies and such will result in the white majority no longer being the majority. Once they are no longer the majority, they have much less political power.

Just my opinion. I would love to hear others.
Please understand that this law is not about illegal immigration. This law is about the fact that the police in Arizona now have the right to stop and harass anybody... ANYBODY for no reason whatsoever other than what they look like. This includes legal U.S. citizens AND IT INCLUDES BLACK PEOPLE.

Please don't fall for that "Oh this will only affect the illegal Mexicans" lie.
This law is an EXTREMELY slippery slope. Racial profiling is illegal right now. It is currently against the law for the police to pull you over and harass you for no reason whatsoever. But this law will make it legal. And once they make it legal to profile Hispanics, how long do you think it will take before they use that law as a basis for legally profiling us?

The ink won't even be dry on that legislation before the police are out there profiling US left and right, stopping US for no reason, asking US to prove who we are and demand that we prove that we have the right to be there.

This is purely a gateway law to legalizing racial profiling. Once Arizona passes it, other states will follow, then profiling will soon be legal nationwide. Thus having a reason to put more of us behind bars. And that is why so many black people are against it.

This law won't do jack to stop illegal aliens from coming here. The only REAL way to stop illegal immigration is to impose steep fines, prosecute, or even shut down the companies and corporations that hire illegal aliens, but the powers that be in Washington (especially the Republicans) aren't going to do that because many of those companies are major campaign contributors.


IMO, if they are legal citizens, that law won't bother them. If they are illegal, it will.
Again, don't believe the hype. African Americans are legal citizens, that never stopped them from using racist laws against us, now did it?
 

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You do have at least one link to back this up right? Im kind of wondering where the Caribs, and Tianos fit in. You know those Caribbean Indians. That were thought to come out of Venezuela

Originally Posted by Chevron Dove
It's not about us, in my opinion, it's about this government.

In 1335, the Black Death Plagu happened in Europe and now, they want to tell the truth about this, but still, not in schools. They say at least 1 MILLION migrated to Zuni-Pueblo lands in Mexico; THATS BLACK 'NATIVE' LAND when expulsions happened in Europe. Then say millions came to Brazil. They say the AZTECS came with the HURONS from Wisconsin and migrated down through California...joined with the CHOLULA and then came down into Mexico.

AZTECS ARE MEXICANS. They changed their name. Aztecs fought with the Cholula agains the natives...

1492, Columbus was supposed to have founded America...

These Aztecs thought Cortez was thier white, blonde haired, blue-eyed god and asked the Spanish to kill off their enemies...BLACK 'NATIVES'...BLACK MAYANS...AND the Spanish did that. The Aztecs are NAZI. They came from Europe.

The Spaniards brought smallpox, and shot off the Blacks but then they also got the Aztecs, to their surprise.

In North America, millions of Black Natives were killed, butchered and the straight haired natives were apart of this killing. They were Nazi... They helped the white man...

...About 300 years later, when the white man came at them in the 1800s, the Straight hairs forgot about what they did in the AD 1500s...but the white man did not forget...

The white man knows how to pit one group against the other...
...they know how to suppress the truth until they want to use it to their benefit.
 

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I don't feel like we're in a position to carry the mantle of anyone else when we have so many of our own unresolved issues, and no other group is championing our causes, while piggybacking on ours or expecting us to be allied with them.
 

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yeah. well, I've only scratched the surface.

The Aztecs are written to have lined up natives a mile long, marched individuals up to the top of their temples, cut their hearts out and thrust them down the steps...

...they came from Europe due to the Black Death Plague and the Expulsion...Celtiberians, Spain...

...they did those Black Native in...

The Library has a documentary called CONQUEST and now they show, not only ESTIVANICO but, many Africans [actors] who they brought with them to use in order to attack the Zuni-Pueblo natives in New Mexico...in search of the Seven Cities of Gold... Coronado and his company slaughtered those Black Navites...all up in North America in the AD 1500s from Florida, up the coast...Mexico...

The natives had strife before the Europeans came but this government will not teach this because they have used to to their benefit. Black people are always being exploited by others...in this system...

The natives killed Hiawatha's wife, Minihaha, because he was trying to bring the message of peace between the straight hairs and the bushy haired natives even before the Europeans came with their exploitative movements to divide and conquer...

i've only scratched the surface...
 

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