Black Spirituality Religion : The Quran...Paradise...and the Near Death Experience.

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  1. Ralfa'il

    Ralfa'il Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Check out this very descriptive view of Paradise Allah gives us in the Koran 55: 46-78-


    "But for such as fear the time when they will stand before (the Judgment Seat of) their Lord, there will be two Gardens-

    Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-

    Containing all kinds (of trees and delights);-

    Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-

    In them (each) will be two Springs flowing (free);

    Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-

    In them will be Fruits of every kind, two and two.

    Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

    They will recline on Carpets, whose inner linings will be of rich brocade: the Fruit of the Gardens will be near (and easy of reach).

    Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

    In them will be (Maidens), chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before them has touched;-

    Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-

    Like unto Rubies and coral.

    Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

    Is there any Reward for Good - other than Good?

    Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

    And besides these two, there are two other Gardens,-

    Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-

    Dark-green in colour (from plentiful watering).

    Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

    In them (each) will be two Springs pouring forth water in continuous abundance:

    Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

    In them will be Fruits, and dates and pomegranates:

    Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

    In them will be fair (Companions), good, beautiful;-

    Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-

    Companions restrained (as to their glances), in (goodly) pavilions;-

    Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-

    Whom no man or Jinn before them has touched;-

    Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-

    Reclining on green Cushions and rich Carpets of beauty.

    Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

    Blessed be the name of thy Lord, full of Majesty, Bounty and Honour. "






    Now check out the vivid descriptions of what is experienced by people of different religions and backgrounds when they die and are able to come back and relate what they saw-




    "I remember the fear of impact (getting hit), however, I have no recollection of the impact or having my body become totally integrated with the bicycle, nor hurtling over sixty feet through the air and landing in the canal. My next memory was quite a scene in the hospital emergency room. It was the most unique experience of my earthly life. Unique, because I was observing my own body in the emergency room and all the activity going on, except that I was not in my body. I was above it all - looking down. I was feeling no pain.

    Everyone was very busy. I knew by their activity that I was in serious trouble. There was much discussion about how to extract me from the tangled wreckage of my bike and/or whether they would need to leave me in it until I was stabilized enough to try. I could see and hear everything. It was gruesome. It was frightening. They finally decided they had me stable enough to get rid of the bike and they called for a welding specialist to bring a torch to help cut me out of the bike. Thank God my body seemed to be unconscious. All of this would have been quite enough for my young mind to endure - until one nurse, whom I knew, said to another, "Well - it certainly makes you wonder if it is worth saving this mess."

    She nearly scared me to death! At that moment, it was more than I could stand above and watch. I wanted to run away from this scene. I needed to escape. Quickly, I turned, took one step through the wall so to speak and found myself in total darkness. I looked back - nothing but darkness! Before I could barely think, "Now I've done it!," I apparently took another step; and I was instantly in the most beautiful garden I have ever seen. This garden was like a formal terrace which had been carved out of a rough mountain, just a few feet below the peak. Everything was white marble and evergreen. The air was so incredibly light and clear and fresh and cool. It seemed like I was breathing pure chilled oxygen. The garden was trimmed in evergreen shrubs, each a perfect specimen; and the fragrance of evergreen lightly scented the air. This place seemed so perfect in every detail. Directly in front of me, just a few steps away, was a marble bench which seemed to invite me to come, sit, and rest.

    As I sat down and breathed in the fresh wonderful air, I looked around. What a wonderful place to rest. The floor was flat and smooth, polished to perfection such that it looked seamless. This garden terrace was surrounded by low marble pillars and a marble railing and looked like it had been formed right out of the side of the mountain in one seamless effort. I noticed the stark contrast between the formal perfection of white marble and the surrounding mountain that was rough and ragged by comparison."


    http://www.bibleprobe.com/goines.htm




    "Thomson doesn't remember crashing his car or the accident itself. All he remembers is that he immediately found himself in "velvety pure, non-threatening darkness" with a speck of light in the distance. He said he didn't necessarily feel like he "went into the light," but rather he and the light "merged into one." Immediately he experienced overwhelming feelings of peace and love – completely non-judgmental and infinite in nature.

    "Think of all of the good things you can feel and amplify those as much as you can imagine," Thomson said. "That's only a fraction of what it feels like."

    Upon entering the light, a place where Thomson said he thinks time and space doesn't really exist, he found himself in a garden with a pine tree in the not-too-far distance. From behind the tree walked a translucent figure who leaned over and pointed in the direction of a nearby hill range. From the hill range came three figures, one of which Thomson said was his late grandfather. Thomson said the figures didn't have bodies he could see, per se, but he is confident of the three beings' presence and is positive one of them was his grandfather."

    http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org/epilepsyusa/thomsonron.cfm




    "Our investigation begins with what happened in the spring of 1987 to Jennine Wolff of Troy, New York. She was thirty years old at the time. Due to complications from endometriosis, she suffered numerous bouts of hemorrhaging, several surgeries (including a hysterectomy), an additional hemorrhage of massive proportions, and, finally, emergency surgery. During the final operation, she floated out of her body and entered another realm of existence (pages 51-53, paperback version, "BEYOND THE LIGHT"):

    "Suddenly I was aware of being in the most beautiful garden I've ever seen. I felt whole and loved. My sense of well-being was complete. I heard celestial music clearly and saw vivid colored flowers, like nothing seen on earth, gorgeous greenery and trees."

    http://www.iands.org/pmh17.html



    This is why I'm a Muslim....
     
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    You're a Muslim because you like gardens? :confused:

    I don't know where you live, but just about every major city in America has a Botanical Gardens. I'm sure they would tickle your fancy.


    This is the issue that bothers me though:

    The Islamic concept of Jannah (Heaven) seems to be a very sexist one--which coincides with the contemporary Arab view of sexuality.

    Arabs from the Classic till the modern times are notorious for their propensity towards sexual exploitation of women.........Orthodox Islam actually teaches that women DO NOT HAVE A SOUL.

    As such, it is of no surprise to me, that the Islamic concept of heaven is lying around with virgin women, and since women have no soul, then there is no place in heaven for them, since they have no soul to get there in the first place.

    Such a misogynistic theology :(

    PEACE
     
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    Ralfa'il Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    "And whoever does righteous deeds, whether male or female, and is a believer - they will enter the Garden, and not the least injustice will be done to them."
    Koran 4:124





    "Whoever does good, whether male or female, and is a believer, We shall certainly make them live a good life, and We shall certainly give them their reward for the best of what they did." Koran 16:97
     
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    Out of curiosity, RALF, can you read Arabic?
     
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    Ralfa'il Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    A Christian Near Death Experience.




    "The first near-death experience I had was in May of '64, when I was nine. I was running across the street, and hadn't seen or heard any cars coming. I remember blanking out in the middle of the road. The ladies in the beauty parlor saw this little totally limp body being hit and flying 100 feet in the air. I landed on my head without a scratch, and fell into a 2-week coma.

    The doctors were astounded that I lived. They didn't know how I could have been unconscious on impact, but said that if I hadn't been totally limp I'd have broken every bone in my body & died.

    I woke up briefly in the ER entrance and sat up. Then I was out for 2 weeks. At first, for an endless time - over and over and over like a broken record I kept seeing those last few minutes of finding 2 pennies with my best friend, going into the candy store & exactly what w chose and from what shelf, then going out, getting halfway across the street and blacking out. Then it would start again endlessly. (A clairvoyant professor. I had in the mid-70s at a Waldorf Teacher Training Institute said that "it wasn't a traditional coma I was in, but rather", he said, "your body was 'on hold' while decisions were being made elsewhere." He spoke with a British accent. He said that I had to come to the decision to return.

    Anyway, then suddenly, from this endlessly repeating scenario, I found myself in a lovely setting. I was standing next to a tree in a peaceful place with a lovely blue sky. In front of me was a charming flowing brook or little river. All along the other side of it were rolling hills covered with majestic lovely Roman Cypress trees.

    Just to my right was a sweet arched bridge crossing the river. After a little while I crossed the river and walked partway up a hill to the closest tree. I sat leaning against its trunk, just enjoying the peaceful atmosphere.

    Suddenly, to my left, someone stepped out of 'nowhere', from behind the next closest tree. There was something very familiar about him - and so very special about him that I knew - I KNEW - that I wanted to go back with him (Jesus). In those few moments when he approached I saw the place where he had come from, and even the architecture of his home. He came from way way off in another galaxy. It was back and up off my right shoulder. He lived in what looked to me like a white palace that had a lovely inner courtyard with balconies overlooking it."


    http://www.enlightenedbeings.com/near_death_experience.html



    "But those who believe and do deeds of righteousness,- we shall soon admit them to gardens, with rivers flowing beneath" Koran 4:122
     
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    I suppose then, that I'm not going to get an answer to my question in the previous post? :confused:
     
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    Ralfa'il Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Sam

    Respect

    You call yourself "God" and claim to KNOW everything so you shouldn't need one.
     
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    It's interesting how you resort to a totally irrelevant statement, in order to evade a practical question asked of you.

    Since I am GOD, and since I KNOW what being GOD means (and you do not), I will indeed glean the answer to my question:

    YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO READ ARABIC.

    Thank you for sharing this information with me.

    PEACE
     
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    Ralfa'il Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Sam

    EGOMETER: Out of Sight
     
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    ORIGINAL EGOMETER: Excuse me, no disrespect to you. The beauty of the Original men and women (Afrikan descendants) is the unending creative potential they possess. Please be original in your posts, because respect is both earned and shared. Thank you and continue to destroy the ego across the board.
     
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