Black Spirituality Religion : The Quality of our Fate depends on how we treat Black Women

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  1. Perfection

    Perfection Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    There is simply no escaping the fact that in order for the social climate of black people here, especially in the West, to increase its individual and collective quality of existence then there must be a return to the acknowledgement, acceptance and practice of her glory.

    For those who may try and evade the Perfection thesis, they may want to consider the realization that it should be understood the glorification of Black Women is merely a single modality among pre-existing menu-related elements to the Black Woman's Perfection. Put another way, your glory as a Black Woman is an aspect of Perfection just like your beauty is and your intelligence is and your sophistication is. They all come under the same umbrella of your Perfection, as they are all intimately related. Therefore, the quality of our collective future will ultimately depend on whether Black Women are treated as Perfect--not average-- beings, by us black men, and she herself must come to see herself as she truly is, a Perfect being. This is our assignment as great people. This is your 'balance.' This is the essence of 'black power.'

    OK, one of the pressing questions which is usually ask concerning the Black Woman's glory is, Why is it not done more frequently? To answer that question, we must examine certain variables which influence one engaging in the activities of our Black Woman's glory like how one is studied in the historicity of the Black Woman's glory, the personal desire to yield to the actuality and the existence of calcification in the pineal gland. Let's you and I first discuss the historicity of the Black Woman's glory as it relates to some black men possessing feelings of inadequacy. On our way there, we should be reminded of what Dr. Barashango stated:

    Unfortunately, some brothers may be a little less than comfortable with the resurgence of this knowledge. Nevertheless, I suggest an awakening to the historical reality---that all available scientific evidence reveals---that it was the Black Woman who first came to the understanding of and implemented the principles of civilization should not in any way cause the Black Man to feel the need to indulge the machoism of male chauvinistic insecurities." ---quote from pages 2 and 3 from Ishakamusa Barashango's Afrikan Woman the Original Guardian Angel. (bold is mine).


    With that in our left hand, let us review what's in our right which is a powerful observation from our Queen, Chevron Dove. Initially Queen Dove had paused to some parts of my analysis in the other room about the glory of Black Women. She stated there also that, after she had read through my entire analysis she concured with the theme of my critique but she reserved her rights to advise me not to underestimate the precarious scenario which some black men sometimes face. She advises:

    I would like for this to be considered as well; Maybe it would be difficult to glorify Black Women if you as a Black man have been harmed by one in a powerful position and then, from a psychological POV, it would be impossible for such a Black man to value some type of balance, even if he professes this. In that type of situation, it would be hard for a Black man to see a balance because if he is made to worship a dangerous type of Black woman in power, it would mean that he is DEMEANED!!! His male being has been comprimised. He will have been effiminazed if he has been forced to accept that type of woman as being superior. You may find this difficult to believe but there is such a thing as abusive women who have been placed in powerful positions to throw down the Black man. I believe that in order to have a blaance, this issue needs to come out, and it has not come out yet. That issue is the gem of White Supremacy.

    I agree with the Queen's powerful, insightful and empathetic analysis adding only a clarification for the Black Woman's glory in defense of us black men. I do recognize and say this often in my work and I speak it here in this Garden that there are, like Queen Dove points out, in her words, black women who are "abusive." She also points out those Black Women "mistresses" who are the handmaidens of the eurocentric seek-and- destroy machinery. I concur, like I always have. It would be illogical, as well as immoral, if I try and argue that there are not Black Women amongst us who may not exemplify certain attributes which would be considered harmful to the black collective.

    It is not a habit of mine to share negative personal stories about Black Women but I will for the purposes of the current discourse. There is this Queen who works at this gas station who always treated me bad. No matter how nice I would be, she just wasn't going to offer me an olive branch. She is one of the rare Queens who was able to scale the walls of my patience lol. But to make a long story short, after two years, (2 whole years) we were able to come to an understanding about the friction she was giving me. I wont go into the details but suffice to say I understood and now we are on cordial speaking basis whenever I'm there at her station. I could have gone to another station but she is our Queen and I know we all go through things.

    So yes, I can provide you with some horror stories about Black Women. I also can provide you with similar--and worse-- horror stories about other races and cultures. Black Women can have bad days just like anyone else can, right? Is anyone here trying to persuade us that other races of women don't do many of the things that Black Women are accused of doing in their relationships (and more)? Why is it that when our Black Women do things that others do she is brought to the gallows? That's not fair to her and I won't participate in that because I love Black Women.

    You have a brotha here who called a Black Woman a "dirtbag broad." But why did he do it? Perhaps he was encouraged by the title of that thread? Then, in the same you have someone who uses the words "what a shame" and then you had a Christian position which reads "lawd have mercy." Now what happens when we put all those words together about Black Women? There is the following expression:

    "What a shame we have a dirtbag broad Black Woman who is a hot mess...lawd have mercy."

    I thought the theme of this Garden was:

    We Are About Loving, Encouraging, Embracing, Teaching and Building With Black People.

    What category do we place "dirtbag broad" in? Is that encouraging? Is "what a shame" building or tearing down? It seems to me that this is a formulae for self-hate and the perpetuation of Black Women not being anyone special. I humbly submit to you that these are some of the instances that the Perfection of Black Women thesis are not embraced and her glory denied. So you see, this is why I do not see any utility whatsoever in speaking negative, for any reason, about Black Women because it encourages others to do the same as we constantly see in our everyday world.

    Now don't get mad at me if this applies to you. Instead, let's you and I come together and become the theme of this Garden while understanding what we need to do in order to treat our Black Women like Queens. This brings us to the calcification of the pineal gland which we will get into later.
     
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  2. asmith161718

    asmith161718 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    IMO Black Women are in a better position socially and financially than the Black Man. Therefore it is the Black Women that must lift up the Black man up not the other way around.

    How can a Black man glorify the black woman when he's unemplyed?

    how can a Black man glorify the black woman when he's gay?

    How can the black man glorify the black woman when he's in prison?

    How can the black man glorify the black woman when he's a janitor and you're the Principal?
     
  3. jamesfrmphilly

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    we are ALL in this thing TOGETHER!
    the sooner we all learn that the better we will be.
     
  4. Chevron Dove

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    I do not see any utility whatsoever in speaking negative, for any reason

    Not even for abused children!?


    Whew! Brother, this is the key to why we suffer. You speak volumes here. To see you put to script that "you do not see any utility whatsoever in speaking negative, for any reason,..." in regards to even Black children being abused is just unbelievable. But this is the reason why the Roman Empire was able to rise to such great power. I too believe in this mission statement of "About Loving, Encouraging, Embracing, Teaching and Building With Black People." and if Black abused chldren are not apart of this mission it becomes dead.

    No, I am not trying to persuade about the ills of other races of women or promote a Black victimized child to havrbor Self Hate because they've been abused by Black people. But brother you sttement is so hypocritical when wyou ask the question

    "Why is it that when our Black Women do things that others do she is brought to the gallows? That's not fair to her" and I

    On the one hand you say that the Black Woman was first and perfect but then and then on the other hand say it's not fair to higlight 'imperfections' that have a bearing on our collective whole in comparison to other women, who did not come first. If you are going to cite other women issues, you have to cite the first otherwise the dirt throw against our people are covered up under layers and layers of corrupting. i would definitely like to be viewed as perfect or 'perfection' on merit.

    I do believe it is so wrong to put ills on us, Black women for the sins of our ancestors and for sin that has nothing to do with us, but I believe that the reason why this is done continually has to do with deep seeded history that has been conveniently suppressed so that this government can benefit from the negative Black women that they have elevated to continually throw down Black positivity. Now if you want to call a victim of this kind of White Supremacist abuse Self Hate then go on. When a Black woman, who has had no children and not married is elevated to become a judge for family court and tears down a Black family that supports this systems objective. Because of that judge, I had to endure a lawyer, a White man, tell me in laughter that that judge does not like me, [hates me] because in her opinion, I should not support my husband , and this was the reason she seized my children, and locked me and my husband up, and gave them over to foster care, and this does nothing for Black positivity. There was nothing that wrong with my husband at that time, he just lost his job at that time, that's all, and we went on welfare.

    All because of this matrilineal belief, certain black women think they can get their way and ecome vindicated for some strange reason against their issues with Black men for something that has perhaps been done to them, but to attack ohters in this quest is how the system has been able to suppress Black people. I didn't have anything to do with that Black woman being single or any of the other social service workers being single either, for they came at me in swarms.

    My husband, a Black man, earned his education in chemistry under a tough educational program and was the only Black out of about 60 graduates in the chemistry department. And every job he worked, he was pretty much the only Black man in the enitre company where he was always outnumbered by many other cultures of people mostly White employees. There would be a handful of Black women that were in these jobs too and who always spoke well of him. And whenever he would get fired or etc., the sisters always supported him. And he still keeps in touch with these sisters. So, again, I believe there needs to be a distinction made between the kind of Black women that have been used to support this system and the kind that support Black Unity. There is some deeper issues too that I think need to be brought out.


    It would be nice to cover up dirt and still build but if the kind of dirt covered up is the core of the problem, you can't cover it up and get anywhere.
     
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    the CORE of the problem is the global SYSTEM of WHITE SUPREMACY. that is the SOURCE of the DIRT.

    we can clean OUT the dirt and have a CLEAN foundation on which to BUILD.

    black people are all in this mess TOGETHER. some KNOW this and some DO NOT.
     
  6. Chevron Dove

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    i can agree with that.

    They have exploited us thouroughly.

    I don't really care who is guilty of child abuse though, but I can see that this is going to be ignored.
     
  7. Perfection

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    Queen Dove...I'm not sure from whence comes this hostile tone? You throwing the word "hypocrisy" at me? I'm chuckling because if I can be called any word, that, my Queen, is not one of 'em :) I'm assuming the tone you have delivered to me is due to maybe what may be going on inside how you are personally rationalizing a reconciliation as to how you believe some Black Women should be treated and the time-tested concept of your Perfection. I think that you may have seen some things in here that perhaps had a reflection that you just assumed I was speaking about you personally. I won't go into that because it's not relevant at this point.

    I would like to examine just a single note from your message which says that the "key" to why we suffer is because we do not speak ill of Black Women? You maintain that we should speak ill about Black Women because of the "abused children." I think, again, in your haste, to reply to what you thought was a tailor-made message you overlooked what I clearly am saying. Check my posts here and other places and you will find me saying that anyone, not just Black Women, should be critiqued in love. If a Black Woman is abusing children she should be called out on that Queen Dove. I explained all this over at my room The Perfection of Black Women. I never advanced the position that Black Women can hurt the black world under the auspices of Perfection. Who told you that about me because you certainly didn't get that from my words? I have always been clear in private and public about certain scenarios which run in that manner.

    What you and a few others are missing is not being able to grasp the distinction between critiquing a Black Woman and tearing a Black Woman down. Saying that a Black Woman is abusive to children is to be done by proper critique in love, understanding and with the sense of due process. If the village finds her guilty, then she pays whatever the price is for her missteps. We still love her. We still respect her. She is still a beautiful, Perfect Black Woman...but she must pay the price for violating the mores of the community. I have always said that.

    But what some have is not crtique. It is arrogance. Unfounded self-righteouness rooted in chunks of hate. It is mean-spiritness. Those are not name-calling but describing behaviors. You are not showing love to your sistah by calling her a "hot mess." How in the world is that love Queen Dove? How would you feel if your husband, the chemist, called you a dirtbag broad? C'mon now, a brotha calling a Black Woman dirt and we say nothing about it. What gives? And I'm wrong because I want to see that stopped? You're not be reasonable Queen. From the time I walked into this Garden I have been standing with you, Black Women, and never ask anything from either of you all...not anything... and yet you attempt to castigate me for loving, protecting and adoring you?
     
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  8. Chevron Dove

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    I don't mind being accused of being 'hostile' and harboring 'Self hate', brother because I can see that this may be done in order to cover up my stance on child abuse and as a method to cover up truth in regards to the historical exploitation of Black women on the slave yards for hundreds of years in order to achieve White Supremacy.

    I absulutely believe in your title of this thread in that 'the quality of our fate does depend on how we treat Black Women and is why we as a whole have been suppressed under the global system of White Supremacy. If we continue to treat black women as 'all being evil' or as 'all being perfect' then yes, this would make me hostile in my spirit.
     
  9. Chevron Dove

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    Why are you lying and putting out false rhetoric about me? I never said we should speak evil of Black women as if to say, for any reason.

    Why are you putting out false statements against me. I never said that you advanced the posistion that Black women can hurt the world under a guise of being perfect. What are you trying to achieve here with your lies?
     
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    Saying that a Black Woman is abusive to children is to be done by proper critique in love, understanding and with the sense of due process.


    No sir, if anyone abuses children, the victim should not have to endure that crap in what you have just said. We needed to be delivered but under ancient Black civilizations that were so bent on worshiping the Black idols, gods and goddess, there was no chance of it. This is exactly why I am so grateful for Jesus coming and allowing for the Christian Movement because it is because of what you have just said, that has caused so many innocent little Black girls to have been so victimized and suppressed thousands of years ago. Ancient Black kings suppressed their own womenkind so terribly under systems of idol worship and etc. that their systems became infiltrated and then repeatedly overthrown and nobody won. Even though the christian movement exploited Blacks too, at least it became a stepping stone for us to eventually have some kind of forum to speak against Black Oppression byway of Black systems.

    When a child is being abused, they need to be removed right away and not some by and by, due process. There needs to be immediate intervention.
     
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