Black People : The Problem with Black Feminst Individuality

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  1. HyperKill

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    I'm no Christian but since this is a mostly Christian nation, I'll use the Bible to drill a few points home. Genesis chpt 2 verse 23, And Adam said, "This is now bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh, she shall be called woman, because she was taken out of man." Verse 24 THEREFORE SHALL A MAN LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL CLEAVE UNTO HIS WIFE AND THEY SHALL BE ONE FLESH. Yes in deed, marriage begins the end of self and the union of two into one. 1+1= 1 in this particular case.----------------Needless to say, feminst women would like to wipe their butts with this page of the Bible. Feminism is largely based on extreme individualism. I've heard it a billion times, " It's time to break from the "tribe" and do for myself". Mary J. Blige actually said something like this years ago in her hit song. " I gotta be out my mind to think you were gonna marry me, etc etc etc, It's time for me to do somethinfg for me". I love Mary J. Blige but this is a fatal view point for the race as a whole. A man's labors and pain should be felt by his wife and he should also share her struggles and pains while learning to nurture her emotions. Women are very emotional. You know this if you have a daughter. They should both form a support system that looks at their companionship as a single combined unit, not a seperate operating entity. Imagine if the brake pads told the wheels, " You know wheels, it's time for me to look out for myself". The wheels would say, " OH SHIZNIT! without you the car will crash and the baby(communal future) is in the back seat." Brake pads replys, " Roll eyes, snap finger, twist neck, well I guess the kid will make it somehow, I can do this all alone holla.":car: SCRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEAAACH!!!!!!!! BOOM!!!!!!!!-----------------This wreck is symbolic of the black community and it's relationships. This is also the conditioned thinking of many black feminist women and it has reached the dreaded point of no return. An entire generation of mam's boys, man tools, and boy toys have been born to single moms. This new gen of lesser men desire little, strive slightly at best, are void of the true warrior nature, have no heart, and are pounding each other's anal rectal cavity in private. Guess thats why feminst support LGBT rights so much as if its a sister to feminsm. It also doesn't matter if a woman is not a self proclaimed feminist, the black women who have risen to power and influence who dictate the culture have set the rules and put the feminist machine into full swing. I don't just mean Tyra, Wendy, Oprah, Mrs. Mayballine, porn stars, and now the abomination that will be airing soon on BET/Centric, a show called MY BLack Is Beautiful. I'm sure I'll puke up my guts as I occasionally watch the 4 sistaz funk up the stratosphere with pure vaginaism. Let me guess what the topix will be 1) How to seperate your vagina and your heart 2)How to dump your man 3) Why do black men love white women? and why I am justified in dating a racist to avenge those a-holes 4)How to cover that shame on your dome while fooling yourself into believing you are not a carbon copy of a white woman.Green contacts anyone? and #5 the black feminst favorites, How to reduce a child to a $1000.00 a month paycheck and It's not a child it's a choice. Now rip out that "tissue" and get your degree so you can tell him he is not on your level even though you are only 1.5 generations out the gutter yourself.--------------------- I find myself becoming light headed at the thought of a new generation of young women being indoctrinated into this marxist left wing super duper girlism and a buncha manginas who are happy to be reduced to a mere man tool of carnal pleasure and fleshly gratification.-------------Ultimately this individual feminsm will sink what's left of the black love boat to the murky depths of Sheol never to rise again. And yes in deed all you tools who allow urself to be caught up in feminist girl ball, know that you are playing by feminist rules when you lay with no commitment and never plan a life long union. Feminism can't go one millimeter without willing male peabrains to fuel it with its primary goal. Carnality and the reduction of man to permanent boy status:baby:. Feminism was part of Willie Lynch law and is still alive and on steroids. " That's right girl, don't let him tell you what to do, you da man even though you a lady." ------------------ And as I've said before , the common black male of a few years from now will be a HOLLOW MAN who will only exist and not live because his mangina male ancestors went out not with a fierce snarl that strikes fear in the heart of man:hulk: , not with a mighty swing of the sharpened blade, or the glory of the smoke an blood that follows automatic machine gun fire:uzi::bazooka: but he went out as a wimpy smuck with eyes of salty tears:qqb020:, handcuffed wrist, and a spurm filled anus in some county jail as he looks up in his cell at his 9 inch screen watching a new age soap opera on late night HBO that features a white boy drilling a Zulu looking sista who thinks his admiration for her is somehow more appreciatd being that he is soooooooo white. WE ARE DOOMED!!! - signed the ugly truth, pure, xplizit, and unadulterated please bros lets exchange this:garbage: for this :massage: A.S.A.P:lift:
     
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    Question. Did someone you love very much leave you for a white man?
     
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    Brazil, Sudan, are the canaries in the coal mine if your vision was not so short sighted. But no, never had that happen.But that question doesn't surpise me, it's a common tactic done to divert from the main point which is to see all things in the overall spere of things not just single individual solitude. The notion of there being a "oneness" of all races and a peace because of the "colorblindness' that will ensue is wrong and a deception. Many if not all mixed countries have deep divides and many are at war. India is also another prime example. A color struck nation that was once black only to be thrown into kaos upon the arrival of Aryan people, 5000BC who left all their mixed ethnic groups with the Vedas and a color caste system that exist to this day. Both Buddha and Ganhdi rejected it.
     
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    What is feminism?

    What is feminism?

    The thing is, I think that a lot of black people who take on the feminist banner reallllly are not feminist. A lot of people are simply fighting for gender equality, the erasure of sexism, and the end of the western patriarchal system. These are issues that challenge and subject both men and women. I think what happens is that some will attach themselves to a movement that includes these issues because the movement already has such a momentum.

    Unfortunately, I do think that there are aspects of the feminist movement that are anti-family. This is part of the problem with either taking on labels or labeling others. The label is an umbrella and includes many parts. As soon as you buy the umbrella, you have taken on all the parts that come with it…..whether we know what those other parts are or not. This is not to negate the fact that there are some black male and female feminist who know exactly what the feminist movement is about and they are down with it 100%. They exist as well.

    Another point is that gender inequality and sexism were issues before the feminist movement hit the ground running.
    I think that in order to foster a progressive discussion it would be good to pick apart the issues and define what it is that we are talking about. Otherwise I think it can get quite murky

    Mark Anthony Neal, a self proclaimed black male feminist, does a good job of introducing these issues in the New Black Man. I read this years ago. I may need to re-visit this one.

    New Black Man by Mark Anthony Neal (Author)
    http://www.amazon.com/New-Black-Mark-Anthony-Neal/dp/0415979919
     
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    I have read enough and researched enough to feel comfortable enough to accept the feminist label among others.
    Feminism is a not a 'movement' anymore than 'civil rights' is still a movement, but moreso principles to live by and adhere too.

    And yes, I have also accepted that label because it has a clearer and more concrete connotation in most people's mind, good or bad.
    I would have accepted the 'womanist' label but I unsure about what that means exactly and even less sure how to explain it to others, hence my acceptance of the word 'feminist.

    Most feminists are entirely sure of what they stand for and why they have embraced the label. They have done the research. Woman ignorant of the label, the definition, and the term do not embrace it because they follow what ignorant people say about feminists and feminism - which is that they lesbians, promote IR's, promote abortions, are anti-male, are anti-marriage and advocate having children OOW, advocate promiscuity, and cause derision and divisiveness in the black community.

    The overall goals for feminists and feminism are the same, even if the method and some parts of the ideology differ... just like that of MX and MLK. Their goals for black people were the same, even if their methods and some parts of their ideology differed. And while you may label MLK an integrationist and not MX... that has little meaning in what they stood for and tried to achieve overall for black people.

    If you are a black woman who does not consider herself a feminist, then I accept that. But overall I do believe our primary goals might be the same.
     
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    Below are some feminist ideologies that I believe are mutually exclusive from the gender equality issue. (The black are my words. The purple rep. excerpts from the attached articles.

    1.The belief in gender equality is separate from the idea that we have to erase gender in order to achieve it.

    Using Gender to Undo Gender

    A Feminist Degendering Movement

    Judith Lorber

    Brooklyn College and Graduate School, City University of New York
    Women’s status in the Western world has improved enormously, but the revolution that would make women and men truly equal has not yet occurred. I argue that the reason is that gender divisions still deeply bifurcate the structure of modern society. Feminists want women and men to be equal, but few talk about doing away with gender divisions altogether. From a social constructionist structural gender perspective, it is the ubiquitous division of people into two unequally valued categories that undergirds the continually reappearing instances of gender inequality. I argue that it is this gendering that needs to be challenged by feminists, with the long-term goal of doing away with binary gender divisions altogether. To this end, I call for a feminist degendering movement.

    http://fty.sagepub.com/cgi/content/short/1/1/79


    2. Not all women who want gender equality will uplift or promote homosexual relationships along with heterosexual ones.

    Compulsory Heterosexuality

    Feminists Question Assumptions About Relationships
    Adrienne Rich, a prominent feminist poet and writer , argued that patriarchal, male-dominated society insists on compulsory heterosexuality because men benefit from male-female relationships. Society romanticizes the heterosexual relationship. Therefore, she argues, men perpetuate the myth that any other relationships are somehow deviant.

    http://womenshistory.about.com/od/feminism/a/compulsory_hetero.htm


    3. Not all women who want gender equality propose making a distinction between sex and gender. Gender equality is separate from the issue of whether biology is destiny.

    Feminist Perspectives on Sex and Gender

    Many feminists have historically disagreed and have endorsed the sex/ gender distinction. Provisionally: ‘sex’ denotes human females and males depending on biological features (chromosomes, sex organs, hormones and other physical features); ‘gender’ denotes women and men depending on social factors (social role, position, behaviour or identity). The main feminist motivation for making this distinction was to counter biological determinism or the view that biology is destiny.

    Feminism should aim to create a “genderless (though not sexless) society, in which one's sexual anatomy is irrelevant to who one is, what one does, and with whom one makes love” (Rubin 1975, 204).

    http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-gender/


    Excerpts from wiki about feminism and womanism.

    Womanists are black women who are, in a traditional communal sense, concerned very much with both black women and black men. Men, and their welfare, are sometimes claimed to be a higher priority to womanists than to feminists.[citation needed] Some feminists consider this a subversion of the feminist critique of androcentrism and corrective/constructive focus on women.

    Womanists have argued that the gains of second wave feminism and beyond were largely built around the lifestyles and options of highly educated, upper-middle class white women. Some womanists have also argued that negative unintended consequences resulting from feminist reforms have fallen heavily upon women of color - specifically in regard to the structure of the black family unit.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Womanism


    The following is an example of how the feminist movement has evolved.

    Rebranding Feminism

    How we can tackle the negative image of feminism among many women? How can we re-brand feminism to make it more attractive to a new generation? These were some of the issues being discussed at a meeting entitled Rebranding Feminism held at the ICA in November. Catherine Redfern reports from the event.

    By reframing feminism as humanism - a movement addressing equality and freedom for all humans, more people would be able to associate with feminism. To represent this concept, we were shown a poster with the text: “The new face of feminism. Humanism.” The poster showed an androgynous face, which had been made by merging photographs of the faces of all the St.Lukes staff, male and female.

    http://www.thefword.org.uk/features/2001/12/rebranding_feminism
     
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    i believe in gender fairness, equal pay for equal work.
    gender equality, treat everybody the same basically.

    i do not believe that women and men are identical.
    we still need each other.
     
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    Key word: 'I believe'
    So the black underlined is what you believe?

    It sounds as if you are questioning my take on feminism against the notions of what you believe about it or have learned; and then telling me I have to take on all the parts of the umbrella that you have learned about it.

    You have apparently accepted the critiques you have below as feminists revisionist theory and using it to come up with what you believe using the below as a counter measure.

    I have not. I'm sure Gloria Steinem thinks a little different than Bell Hooks - yet both consider themselves feminists... so which do we agree with or model our stance after?

    I tend to model mine from the stance of a black woman with a few white liberal literature thrown in.

    I tend to read Colorlines, not Jane or B*tch. The B mag has some good articles from time to time, but it's a white oriented pop-culture mag and I tend toward the dark and local and the dark and global.

    There also, from what I'm reading, 'waves' of feminism. This may be a new wave of feminism that is expanding or moving away from the original or 2nd wave feminism. I don't know what 'wave' I'm on and do not care enough to explore it, critique it, or understand it. I'm thinking, maybe, I'm on the 2nd wave since the first one was more about white women competing with or against white men that I figure happened sometime around white women suffrage. Or maybe I'm more in tune with the orignal-original wave which came about during the time of Soujouner Truth or Harriet Tubman.


    I agree with the article. 'Gender' is a problem, especially in terms of what people view as 'roles' and how they should be fulfilled depending on whether or not you are biologically a woman or biologically a man. Erasing common gender roles does foster gender equality and may not be separate from it.

    However, do I need to become white to just as well respected as whites? Do I need to become a man to be just as well respected and treated as a man? I do not think so. I respect the differences in gender and sex, I just don't want them to ultimately define who we are and how we are treated and I do not want one to be deemed inferior/superior than the other. I do not think the issues that the black man is having is to be outweighed by the ones his sistas are having, and that was have us subjugate ourselves for his importance and whatever is wrong with him.'

    What you wrote in black is the not the focus of the piece of article you quoted. What I bolded of the article is true for white males and black males. Black men benefit from the male-female hierarchy of relationships and therefore insists on compulsive heterosexuality for men. Anything less is cast as 'deviant' because it places that hierarchy at risk. Women will align themselves with that because they figure it what black men want and they want a man. They also want that 'strong physical protector' which plays into their own romanticized notions about the male-female relationship hierarchy.

    What you have underlined in black - may or may not be true for me, I'm not sure. My focus is on heterosexual relationships because I'm majority hetero. I don't demonize or see homo relationships as less important, but I don't place undo importance on homo relationships. Those that are homo will. However, there are some things that will cross sexuality borders such as domestic abuse, violence, and sexual (ir)responsibility, which also a focus of feminism across the lines and waves. I also support anti-discrimination for homosexuals or most anyone else.

    Agree with the bolded part of the article and their goal. I too understand and propose that the distinction would foster gender equality, and that they are not separate.


    Agree. So I am.

    That claim is false.

    If the claim was true, it would be a subversion; but the claim that black womanists view or promote men as a higher priority is not true.

    I agree.

    I would have to see examples of that to see if I agree or not.

    Sounds good, I agree with this evolvement.
     
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