Black People : The Original Intent And Purpose Was (Or Is)?

Discussion in 'Black People Open Forum' started by chuck, Aug 28, 2010.

  1. chuck

    chuck Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    To advise and assist those already involved with local grassroots efforts to resolve their issues/problems/etc.

    What I (among others) realize and recognize nowadays:

    There are few ongoing local grassroots efforts being put forth to help anybody resolve their issues/problems/etc.

    Above and beyond that:

    Many of the options which had or have been put forth via the posters on and of this forum were and are being undermined by the cronies and/or would be defenders of the status quo...

    The obvious conclusion:

    Any notion of our idea of self and collective determination is blatantly being challeged by this nation's status quo...

    Home schooling for white kids...

    Cool...

    Home schooling for black kids...

    Not cool...

    Etc.

    Can they dare to approach the rest of humanity that way?

    No...

    But such is a reflection of their anxious and fearful posturing on the so called homefront...

    So where do we go from here?

    Holla holla...

    FYI...

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  2. StefiA

    StefiA Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    @chuck
    Not sure really on the overall message of your post - probably me being dim again, but you did mention home schooling so I thought I'd just make a comment on that as that's something I have an opinion on....
    Personally, I don't think home schooling in the traditional sense is good for any kids - with the exception of the very youngest. As a child gets older the material they're going to need to be taught quite rapidly increases in content and difficulty making it more and more difficult for parents or even worse a single parent to cope, especially if they/she are holding down jobs. Plus there's the need for kids to mingle with other kids to learn about how to play, how to share and so on...
    Now presumably the idea behind wanting to home school is to avoid kids being indoctrinated by/into a system which was not constructed with their interests at heart - so I can fully understand why people would want to do it, but I think some other solution needs to be arrived at...
    Thinking about it at the moment I can't see any alternative other than setting up your own schools where the curriculum, ethos etc etc are as you want them to be - now legally that is possible over here in Europe, but I have no idea on the US law or whether it would vary state to state. That's the only way I can see that you'd be able to draw in sufficient expertise/teachers to cover all the subjects you'd want to at a high enough level...
    Now for all I know there may already be schools like that or it might not be legal or there could be a host of other problems with it that I haven't thought of - but I don't think a viable alternative to the present system is home schooling.
     
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    good question where do we go from here is yet known.....I guess
     
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    My wife and I have home schooled for the past 15 years. Two of our children are now level headed, well rounded, well adjusted young adults.

    We purchased Christian based curriculum and developed some curriculum on our own. Any devoted parent with a high school level education could guide their child through the curriculum we purchased. When developing your own curriculum you can teach your children specific things you deem essential.

    One of the classes we teach our children is "Consumer Math" which teaches math in a way that directed at managing personal finance. It teaches the cost of borrowing money, bouncing checks, getting late fees as opposed to paying on time, balancing a check book, comparison of interest rates, investing, income tax planning, retirement planning, etc. etc. etc.

    Our oldest child has been married 5 years. She worked the first few years of their marriage until she and her husband decided she could stay home with the children. They live a very comfortable life on her husbands salary which is not unusually high because of their financial discipline.

    One of the things we developed is a research paper that we have the children do where they must compare and contrast the ideology of MLK Vs. Malcom X. They have to decide if one ideology was better or more effective than the other and defend that choice in their paper.

    It erks me to hear people talk about home school students being socially crippled or incapable of interacting with others. That is a myth. Furthermore, curriculums can be purchased at every grade level that any parent with at least a high school education can follow.


    Some people have told me that in this day and age they just don't have the time and resources to home school. Home schooling is not cheap. It cost as much as sending them to private school. Me, I just use the money I would spend on 22" wheels, gold chains, and expensive sneakers and invest it into my children. They are my future. I have decided to never turn my future over to government to indoctrinate into mindless zombies.
     
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    @Full Speed
    You make some good points there and I wasn't actually meaning that any home schooled kids would come out socially crippled or anything - just seems easier to me for kids to learn how to interact when there are plenty of other kids around.
    I think you have obviously done a good job with your home schooling, but I wonder would you say you are a typical parent?... like the fact that you take an interest in forums like this and debating things suggests to me your more likely to be successful with it. How does it work in practice with you? - I mean do you both work full-time? How do you afford equipment for stuff like science, music and so on... Now I don't know what you do for a living, but there are lots of people on pretty low wages - how would they even afford to buy these curriculums. Maybe I'm wrong but it just seems to me that whenever I do see homeschooling that's worked its always been by married couples where one of them has a good enough job that can provide enough for the other to stay at home with the kids and where the parents are intelligent people usually beyond high school level and where they're very proactive people - the kind of people who are going to end up with well adjusted, successful kids anyway. Now I'm never sure how similar London is to any American city, but here I see plenty of girls way younger than me (like down to 16 even) sometimes with two or three kids, often from different men and in all different shades, girls who have to live off benefits and whose education level isn't anywhere near high school level (as in some of them know so little they're not even sure how they got pregnant) - those kids don't stand a chance of any home-schooling.
    Now I can see why you don't want to have your kids educated in a government school, but what would your objection be to a christian black school for example, where you would have classes on MLK and MX and so on? The kind of school which was run by parents, but which employed professional teachers.
     
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    They learn foolishness when there are plenty of other children around. There is nothing wrong with a LITTLE foolishess, but they shouldn't major in foolishess. There are Home School associations in my area that offer sports such as basketball and Karate which are free because they are usually taught by one of the parents. They also offer children the oportunity to interact with other children. In addition to that, I have nephews, nieces, cousins etc that my children interact with so it's not like home schoolers sit in a cage and are isolated from the world.

    There is a time and place for everything. A time to work hard and a time to play hard. School is the time to be educated...there is plenty of time to play after school.


    Well, everyone on this board take an interest in forums...anyone who has time to spend on these forums (which can be very time consuming) can invest that time in their children. Fortunately, I have a very committed wife who does the teaching...I am the principle.

    As far as a "typical parent", No....but I am not exceptional either. Home schooling is really about a mindset of what you want your children to learn and who you trust to teach them.

    As a Christian, I know the Bible has been removed from the classroom. That void has been filled with Santa Clause, Halloween, the Gay and lesbian agenda etc. etc. I have no use for those things and want to controll what my children learn about them.

    I asked my wife about 20 years ago (give or take) if she would be willing to stay home manage our home. That's a full time job in and of itself. It provides a balance in the home that cannot be beat. IMO, its an economic trap for both parents to work outside the home, ESPECIALLY if young children are involved. If parents pay baby sitters, extra gas money, work wardrobes, etc the additional money retained is negligible and definately doesn't offset the peace in a balanced home.


    Buy used and on sale. You got a microscope on Ebay for a very reasonable price. We got a very good telescope on clearance sale. We have had musical instruments given to us and we have purchased several. God wants my children to learn music...so He gave them instruments. He gave them BRAND NEW instruments WITH instructional DVD's (God know's I don't know anything about teaching music or instruments, neither does my wife) My point here is that God provides either by guiding us to low cost stuff or no cost stuff.

    Granted my income as an individual is above the median family income with two working parents BUT I am a no frills person and could afford it based upon not having to keep up with the Jones'. I don't buy new cars, jewlry, expensive clothing, or any other thing that consititutes a depreciating asset.

    As I mentioned, My daughers husbands income is average but they are excellent financial managers. Likewise, they don't try to keep up with the neighbors but live comfortably on a no frills lifestyle.



    I am not suggesting that home school is for everyone. If a person does not like what they have with public school, they can choose to home school. In order for conditions to favor home schooling, parents have to create those conditions. Hap-hazard living usually does not create those conditions. I don't think home schooling is a valid option for a single parent, especially if that single parent is a teenager. I am strong believer in and advocate for the traditional family.


    I have no objection to a Christian Black school. I don't even have an objection to any Christain based school as long as it doesn't discriminate. Admittedly, most Christain schools I am familiar with teach a Black history month and are inclusive of Black inventorys and such, but they do not teach about Malcom X at all.
     
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    Something that always has bothered me......

    Why is it that children have to go to school soooo early?????

    I mean really what is it that a child is supposed to learn at seven o'clock in the morning, that they could learn at ten???


    I always thought it to be horrifying that a child has to wake at five in the morning to catch a bus....

    Why ???? Because we had to do it????

    Are we not supposed to try and make a better future for our children???

    HOW CAN WE MAKE A BETTER FUTURE FOR OUR CHILDREN IF WE ARE ALWAYS RELATING TO OUR PAST???



    There needs to be something done about this first so the child can receive proper rest and a decent time to go to school....

    Nobody wants to get up at five in the morning, that is probably the same time child labor camps make their children get up for work... "man this world is so far gone."

    Can you afford private school but your not doing it???? Because of some toy we want and now are able to buy such as a new car???
     
  8. StefiA

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    Thanks for all the info - its certainly made it a lot clearer how you've been able to make a success out of it.
    Just one final question cause again I'm not sure how the system works back in the US - here at the end of high school you have to take exams called A-levels or AS-levels (2X an AS = an A) and that can be in from 3 subjects upwards and then those results are what let you go onto college - like I had to get 3 Cs to go to my one - now I know there's high school grad diplomas and they probably count as the same thing - here you can just apply to turn up and sit the A-level exams so that's no prob for home schoolers - is it as easy in the States?
     
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    Wow!, 7,do they really start that early? Our children wake up at 7 and start school at 9. In between time they do their chores, have breakfast, and recover from breakfast (clean).

    Well, Benjamin Franklin said "Early to bed, early to rise, makes a man healthy, wealthy, and wise."
     
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    @Light
    Here some high schools are now starting at 11am or later to give kids more time in bed as its been shown teenagers need to get up later because of hormone changes not cause they're just lazy.
     
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