Black People : The Only White Vicelord (Gangs)

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  1. Tantrum

    Tantrum Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    http://www.uic.edu/orgs/kbc/ganghistory/UrbanCrisis/ViceLords/whitelord.htm

    I cant say I have seen this
    In the ViceLord Nation
    Yet I see it in this article
    Since I have ran with the Lords
    I havent seen this type of communication
    With regards to white people in black gangs
    It is coming common ground
    I have seen white boys
    In the suburbs call themselves
    White BlackStones
    Almost wanted to smack they hat straight
    But we just laughed at them
    Are Black Gangs Evolving into Empires?
    Are they the true corruption in the black Community?
    Or are there actions as of lately helping our communities?
    I know a lot members of different nations
    And I no longer see the pants sagging or the hats
    Cocked to the left or right are we changing for the better or worse?

    Can we make a change?
     
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    i mostly see white so called gangbangers in the burbs as well. in the city theyll get done in quick. you ever asee that movie "white boys"?

    imo black gangs have been empires. the GD naton in chicago is very organized. i will venture to say that the chicago gangs are more organized than west coast gangs.

    in la you have bloods and cripps on the lapd now, i knew seveal GDs when I was in Michigan, they broke down many of the concepts of the folk nation.
    They always talked about king Larry Hoover. They also talked about how GDs have infiltrated city hall in Chicago.

    however all in all theyre just killing each other. why cant the Folks and People Nations link up to take over Chi-Town politically? Why cant Bloods and Cripps link up?

    Yes gangs are just self genocide. The brothers that operate these Nations are geniuses, but they care about nobody. They will kill their own. Education can stop the killing.

    Here in VA they recently classified street gangs as orginize crime.
     
  3. Tantrum

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    Well I se gangs in a different light
    As far as GD's I havent really communicated with them kats
    Too much anymore/I used to be a GD/But I flipped
    It was ugly for a minute for me when that happened
    I say its safer in the County than on the streets
    Its moe organized in the County to me
    The kats I was rolling with werent organized
    As a matter of fact they beef more than any other I think
    GD's killing each other over woman
    The GD's on 63rd shooting at the one on 62nd.
    Its all about control and power
    As far as Unity amongst the gangs
    I never see that happening/Treaty are just formalities
    Its really a tatic to caught one off gaurd
    You always will have them knuckle heads waiting
    To come at you when that happens believe
    I stay strapped no matter where I go
    Thats just me/I have road like that for a while
    In my opinion Gangs are organized crime
    If you come to the Chi let me know
    I can show ya better than I can tell ya

    Whiteboys are funny to me bruh

    But as far as politically
    We are deeper than the world knows
     
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    There is no way that the Crips and Bloods are more organized than the GDs and Vicelords. The Vicelords have been around since the 50's perhaps the 40's, the only reason that the Crips and Bloods are known better is because they live across the street from Hollywood and you know everybody is a star in LA.

    Folk Nation has included the GDs and the Crips, I think People Nation has joined the Bloods to be under one flag. It's interesting how y'all bring this up, at the corner store in my neighborhood they are selling "Free Hoover" t-shirts. Crips on the west coast wear their stuff to the left unlike the Crips on the east coast who wear their stuff to the right. Crips use to ask me about Hoover alot when I lived in North Carolina, they really idolized that man.
     
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    Yeah Crips & Bloods
    I dont know if people know
    But they tried to bring the crips to Chicago before
    Im not sure if many people at all know this
    They were in the Gardens I believe
    They got burned out real quick for real
    Its crazy in the chi though its like
    Its hellafied GD's on the southside
    Yet they are unorganized as hell
    They branching off starting other GD sets
    Boss Pimps/BD's/BGD's/They just all branches off
    Of an unorganized group of kats for real
    So its a lot of folks but shiit they aint much too me
    The Blackstones are a lot more organized on the southside
    The Vicelords are on the southside but no real presences
    Now on the Westside you got many Vicelord nations
    Unknowns/Travelers/Mafia Insane/Undertakers/Cicero Insanes/Mercenary/Conservatives
    Dam did I get them all
    I see distinction in them
    I see the struggle to become one nation
    I want a day for that to become stronger
    Cause the streets are watching for real
    And they want us divided and seperated
    They think that makes them stroner
    Them being the Police but I know better
    As far as politics man Gangs are so politically tied its crazy
    And the Bloods & Crips yeah they big in LA
    But I hear they big in the NY now too
    So its not stopping its growing/Its just are we ready?
    Blacks in general for what is coming to our communities?
    For the people already going through the struggle I see just maintain
    Cause its no way to really stop it/Gangs are here to stay
     
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    White Folks and Peoples

    If young white males that are dying for the "Urban Experience" have decided to become Folks and Peoples and are forming pseudo gangs we are really in trouble. Young white males see this as a way of rebellion against their parents and the "system". It isn't bad enough that they have adopted Hip Hop culture now they feel they must adopt Street Gang culture as a ploy to be in total defiance to "Mainstream White America". We are in trouble because if this indeed (I couldn't pull up the article) true then what they are doing is keeping something alive that we as a people should have been over a long time ago. As long as Blacks are harming Blacks this issue never reached the national level where government involvement was necessary. In light of "911" and homeland security, if young white males adopt this culture it will be seen as a form of domestic terrorism. How? Anytime there are groups of naive white people with resources trying to "stick it to the man", our government will them view as a dispensable resource primed for subversive action by the enemies of the U.S.. This will give the government ample reason to take more of our rights away and move further toward the police state we are becoming.. This urban tribalism is nothing more than a way to keep us divided among ourselves. If our elders are in fear of our youth we have no future. If this culture continues to live and gets new life we have a bleak future. Young white males in opposition to each other so much so that they are willing to form gangs and kill each other is not a good thing for black people. This gang/tribal warfare mentality must die if we are to succeed as a people. It can not be given life vicariously through young white males. This essentially will be a new twisted form of the Klan...


    Peace....
     
  7. Tantrum

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    Twisted Klan indeed
    I dont really associate with so called white members
    That means in any nation/It just doesnt seem right
    Why would a white man want to join a black gang
    I think its like you said Brother Rad
    They think they must adapt Gtreet Gang Culture
    What amazes me is that they buy 80% off all hip hop music
    Yet blacks still dont make up the majority of the 20%
    I see Blacks also joining Latin Gangs
    I know some Black Counts & Some Black Kings
    I think it was more of the neighborhood they grew up in
    Cause if you grow up in a majority all latin neighborhood
    Its either get down or lay down/cause your not going to stay in
    A all King neighborhood talking about you a GD
    It just aint happening/Its also such a stereotype in the Chi
    It seems that all Latins think that Blacks are GD's in chicago
    Whether you are Gang affiliated or not/Thats crazy and they come at you that way too/Most them be so gone off of X they dont know much anyway
    Its the culture/Its the lifestyle that I think white people
    Love they want to in a since feel that they are tuff
    Black all that from the music to the hair to now Gang activity
    They have infultrated our music/put cocca in the hood/now gangs
    Modern day Klans next generation type shiit for real
    To be honest Gangs are taking steps in the right direction
    There are a lot of youth oriented programs out there that gangs sponsor
    Its just getting these knucklehead youths involved and out these streets
    The gang life is powerful
    If you have nothing
    Came from nothing
    Aint really seen too much
    Havent had a father figure
    Man its appealing
    Offer you money
    People that have your back
    Friends/Role Models
    That you can look up too
    People you can talk too
    Turn too when you need them
    They feed you this
    It intises you if you grew up
    Like I described
    In my early days it intised me
     
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    Blacks becoming Kings and Counts huh?...Man what's happening to our people..I can understand how people get affiliated with a gang by other people. When I lived on the southside if you lived in a certain neighborhood it was expected that you were a part of the gang that occupied that neighborhood. If you went into another neighorhood to visit family you had to respect the gang in that neighborhood by not bangin' rival gang signs, colors or gestures. You could get ran of that neighborhood or worse...I also heard that King Hoover changed "Gangster Disciples" to "Growth and Development" from jail. Doing voter registration and working with district alderman to change some of the youth violence. Midnight basketball was a good thing too. The biggest thing our youth need now is supervision from parents or other responsible adults. Churches, Mosques, Nations and other spiritually grounded group need to get involved by supporting parents and providing moral foundation. There are never too many helping hands when it comes to eradicating the gang problem in our neighborhoods....


    Peace....
     
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    Yes Hoover wanted to change
    The image of the gangsta disciples
    I use too see people with those
    Free Hoover shirts too be honest
    Dam hoover is what I hear
    Aint no real respect for him like it use too be
    These Kats are about money and power
    The Growth of the nation
    The development of youth
    To have them anchor the nation into what its become
    More corrupt/More Violent/After I flipped
    I use to still flip my hat to the right
    Throw up there signs and then get at them
    The development to me was money
    Thats all I thought about
    Thats all I wanted
    I didnt care if the person being hurt
    Had a family or Kids I was only out for me
    Only out for nation for real
    When I flipped I changed a lot
    Lords showed me things that I never saw before
    Strong leadership/To me they were more than men
    They were Kings to me Gods to me
    I think it was more that I was searching for them
    Than them for me/I think thats what a lot of youth
    Out here see/They see this lifestyle
    They dont know what it takes to get to this lifestyle
    They dont know how many people had to die for this
    Thats what I want youth too see
    Cause its not what its cracked up to be
    Going to the Pen aint worth these streets for real
    I HOPE WITH SOME OF THE THINGS i DO IN MY LIFE NOW
    Will help someone
     
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    WOW blacks joining latin kings? When i lived in West Michigan there was a racial war between latins and blacks. Some claimed you were folks but really it was between blacks and Latins. Some Vice lords were cool with the kings but in this small western mich town you had P-stones, GDs , as one against the latin Kings who vastly out numbered the black people.Some vice lords just stayed out of it, but were at peace with black people, a verry small # of Vice Lords or hooks as gds called them were with the kings. Also there was a large number of vietnamese and Laotion cripps from chicago, they also sided with the black people. As recent as 2000 i believe a latin king fire bombed a black mans house.

    I heard sonething about growth and development, I dont hear to much about Chi anymore being my location. down here i just laugh at the wannabees, cripping and blooding. Im like LA is real banging. NY has latin kings as well as cripps and bloods.
     
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